Ship of Fools: The sound of sodomy.

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Posted by George Spigot (# 253) on :

Bwaa ha ha ha ha

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/ireland_explodes_in_laughter_over_anti_gay_sounds_of_sodomy_campaign

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

#Hello darkness my old friend...#

(I see twitter got there long before me and that the album cover looks just as if S&G are about to head off furtively, but presumably noisily, into the bushes...)

[ 06. January 2015, 09:30: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

Which is more derisible, eejit bigots or someone who can't do an embedded link properly?

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

I was leaving GS's code in all its naked glory as a warning to others...

Posted by George Spigot (# 253) on :

Firenze and Doc Tor. I know how to place an embedded link. In this case I was happy to display the link unchanged so that people could see the name of the website I was linking to, the author and the subject matter. Sorry if the format had you reaching for your bifocals in confusion. I probably need to be more sensitive toward the needs of older ship members.

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by George Spigot:
. I probably need to be more sensitive toward the needs of older ship members.

As indeed must I towards the less intellectually nimble.

And to those only just now catching up with social media (which at least came with witty commentary).

Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :

quote:
Originally posted by George Spigot:
I was happy to display the link unchanged so that people could see the name of the website I was linking to, the author and the subject matter.

Which they would have seen anyway, just by following an embedded link (or, even just hovering their mouse over the link).

Posted by Tubbs (# 440) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:

quote:
Originally posted by George Spigot:
I was happy to display the link unchanged so that people could see the name of the website I was linking to, the author and the subject matter.
Which they would have seen anyway, just by following an embedded link (or, even just hovering their mouse over the link).

You could have covered that with some sort of comment about what the link was about as well. [Biased]

Tubbs

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

Campanologists are sodomites, according to the picture; I guess the clue's in the first syllable.

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

But of course: hence -

Christmas bells are gaily ringing
O’er the land triumphantly,

Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :

Seeing the thread title, I thought this might be a geographical feature, perhaps near San Francisco.

Posted by George Spigot (# 253) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:

quote:
Originally posted by George Spigot:
I was happy to display the link unchanged so that people could see the name of the website I was linking to, the author and the subject matter.
Which they would have seen anyway, just by following an embedded link (or, even just hovering their mouse over the link).

You're right of course. ( Attempts to plug mouse into phone )

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Seeing the thread title, I thought this might be a geographical feature, perhaps near San Francisco.

Or further north, in the Strait of Juan de Fuca?

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I was leaving GS's code in all its naked glory as a warning to others...

We get it. Spigot is a fuckwit who can't embed links, or doesn't do so for stupid reasons.
Consider us warned. Please fix the link. I have to keep turning my iPhone to read this thread. It's hurting my wrist. Not in a good way.

Posted by Adeodatus (# 4992) on :

People, people! It's 2015. This sort of thing should not be a problem. The sound of sodomy could easily be muffled by, say, some sort of gag or restraining device ...

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:

quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Seeing the thread title, I thought this might be a geographical feature, perhaps near San Francisco.
Or further north, in the Strait of Juan de Fuca?

Heh. I see what you did there.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
I have to keep turning my iPhone to read this thread. It's hurting my wrist. Not in a good way.

I can recommend some good wrist-strengthening exercises...

Posted by Matt Black (# 2210) on :

Still don't get why bells are THE sound of sodomy. Come to that, what exactly are the sounds of sodomy? Can we write a song about it eg: "The hills are alive with the sound of sodomy".

Enquiring minds and all that...

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

I'd like to know what "the scarament of marriage" is (third line of the small text). None of my dictionaries will tell me (and I have the 2-volume Compact Oxford, with magnifying glass).

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Seeing the thread title, I thought this might be a geographical feature, perhaps near San Francisco.

I will float that to the Eureka Valley Business Association.

Certainly a nicer thought than the audio version.

[ 06. January 2015, 14:47: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by Mere Nick (# 11827) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Black:
Still don't get why bells are THE sound of sodomy. Come to that, what exactly are the sounds of sodomy? Can we write a song about it eg: "The hills are alive with the sound of sodomy".

Enquiring minds and all that...

The closest I can guess is that it sounds like putting things in a box.

(While funny, may not be worksafe depending on your work's sense of humor. Your Boss May Vary. —A, HH)

[ 06. January 2015, 16:45: Message edited by: Ariston ]

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
We get it. Spigot is a fuckwit who can't embed links, or doesn't do so for stupid reasons.

What actually identifies him as a Grade A pillock is using 'old' as an insult. Clearly, age is not something genetically determined, but rather a lifestyle choice. These people need to stop flaunting their grey hair and deaf aids, repent of their shuffling and blinking and falling down, and be normal like everyone else

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

What the difference between my freezer and the sounds of Sodomy? My freezer does not fart when I pull the meat out.

Posted by George Spigot (# 253) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
We get it. Spigot is a fuckwit who can't embed links, or doesn't do so for stupid reasons.
What actually identifies him as a Grade A pillock is using 'old' as an insult. Clearly, age is not something genetically determined, but rather a lifestyle choice. These people need to stop flaunting their grey hair and deaf aids, repent of their shuffling and blinking and falling down, and be normal like everyone else

The odds are I'm older than you Firenze.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

The olds are odder than you Firenze.

[ 06. January 2015, 16:26: Message edited by: Pyx_e ]

Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :

George, if you think it's only the olds who are offended by your asshattery, then you're wronger than a wrong thing that's wrong. The olds hate you because of their eyes, the whippersnappers because of how you made the formatting squeal like a pig, and everybody else because of your half-assed excuses for being a right eejit. Or maybe everybody hates you for all the above reasons. Whatever.

But speaking of right eejits, are the sounds of any one Mentionable Act any more or less eternally scarring to children who are convinced that their younger siblings came about through spontaneous generation than any other? Nobody's parents screw. Everyone knows parents are perfectly chaste. Certainly their own. That squicky sound is just them working the plunger because the pooper's backed up again.

Posted by mark_in_manchester (# 15978) on :

quote:
What the difference between my freezer and the sounds of Sodomy? My freezer does not fart when I pull the meat out.

Excellent. Though the accompanying gag about the washing machine is now rattling around my head.

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
#Hello darkness my old friend...#

or #Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard#

Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I was leaving GS's code in all its naked glory as a warning to others...
We get it. Spigot is a fuckwit who can't embed links, or doesn't do so for stupid reasons.
Consider us warned. Please fix the link. I have to keep turning my iPhone to read this thread. It's hurting my wrist. Not in a good way.

iPhones are the koolaid drunk by Chinese slave workers whose wrists hurt more than your's.

Posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger (# 8891) on :

Is that what "Pet Sounds" was really about?

Posted by Eutychus (# 3081) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
Though the accompanying gag about the washing machine is now rattling around my head.

Accompanying gag?

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

So this is what a slow season in Hell is like. Filled with sound (take that, S & G) and fury (take that, GS) and signifying nothing.

Posted by Doublethink. (# 1984) on :

Surely the leafleteers should just set up a business sound proofing bedrooms ?

Posted by L'organist (# 17338) on :

The clue is in the lyrics, surely

quote:
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,

No child will think about Wee Willie Winkie in the same way ever again [Eek!]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
So this is what a slow season in Hell is like. Filled with sound (take that, S & G) and fury (take that, GS) and signifying nothing.

Gags have already been suggested a couple of times. That might solve the sound, but not the fury.

Posted by Porridge (# 15405) on :

Sez you. "Gags" is also a verb.

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I was leaving GS's code in all its naked glory as a warning to others...
We get it. Spigot is a fuckwit who can't embed links, or doesn't do so for stupid reasons.
Consider us warned. Please fix the link. I have to keep turning my iPhone to read this thread. It's hurting my wrist. Not in a good way.
iPhones are the koolaid drunk by Chinese slave workers whose wrists hurt more than your's.

But probably not more than yours, given the content of most of your posts.

Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
But probably not more than yours, given the content of most of your posts.

Bite the wax tadpole costume man.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I'd like to know what "the scarament of marriage" is (third line of the small text).

It's from a Queen song:

Scarament, scarament, will you do the fandango?

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
So this is what a slow season in Hell is like. Filled with sound (take that, S & G) and fury (take that, GS) and signifying nothing.

How often does anything in Hell signify anything?

Posted by welsh dragon (# 3249) on :

scaramouche I think.

Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
But probably not more than yours, given the content of most of your posts.
Bite the wax tadpole costume man.

Zing!

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by welsh dragon:
scaramouche I think.

Yes. Yes, I know.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Porridge:
Sez you. "Gags" is also a verb.

Well, yeah. If you think this through carefully you're not helping your case at all by focusing on the verb form.

Posted by Welease Woderwick (# 10424) on :

If we shoved a spigot up his arse do you think it would keep him quiet?

Posted by Dennis the Menace (# 11833) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
If we shoved a spigot up his arse do you think it would keep him quiet?

He might even enjoy it!!!!

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

Sorry, I've lost track. Whose arse are we shoving things up?

Posted by George Spigot (# 253) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
If we shoved a spigot up his arse do you think it would keep him quiet?

Not without taking me out to dinner and sending me flowers first.

Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
But probably not more than yours, given the content of most of your posts.
Bite the wax tadpole costume man.
Zing!

I'm enjoying you too! [Axe murder]

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

So, GS posts a link to an article poking fun at people most of us enjoy doing so to. And the best we can do is slag him off for poor formatting?

Oh yes, and make jokes so pathetic that even Circus Hosts cringe.

Oh, for the fondly remembered Glory Daze of a Hell that never was.

Posted by Bob Two-Owls (# 9680) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ariston:
That squicky sound is just them working the plunger because the pooper's backed up again.

I'm not sure if that is some kind of plumbing jargon or a definition of the sound of sodomy...

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, GS posts a link to an article poking fun at people most of us enjoy doing so to. And the best we can do is slag him off for poor formatting?

Oh yes, and make jokes so pathetic that even Circus Hosts cringe.

Oh, for the fondly remembered Glory Daze of a Hell that never was.

Just waiting for you to show us how it should be done.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
So, GS posts a link to an article poking fun at people most of us enjoy doing so to. And the best we can do is slag him off for poor formatting?

Oh yes, and make jokes so pathetic that even Circus Hosts cringe.

Oh, for the fondly remembered Glory Daze of a Hell that never was.
Just waiting for you to show us how it should be done.

Oh hush. I'm having a nice doze in a comfy chair.

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And the best we can do is slag him off for poor formatting?

He kinda compounded that by coming up with a spectacularly transparent and daft justification for the poor formatting.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

But Firenze, I was taught to follow those with more experience. So very much more experience.

Ah, so that was the snoring then, Doc Tor. Thought it was a lorry with a bad silencer.

mdijon, yeah and the ageist remark rattled a few bones as well. But I'd of thought at least a few remarks here would be about the daft buggers in the link.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

It's the Oblivion purge. People are always giddy and euphoric after extreme weight loss.

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But Firenze, I was taught to follow those with more experience. So very much more experience.

Sure you'll never learn younger.

I think the paucity of direct comment on the leaflet may be because the link goes to Twitter commentary about it, so it all becomes a bit meta.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But Firenze, I was taught to follow those with more experience. So very much more experience.

You're one of the adults now, darling. It's time to lead. It's time to give rather than receive. It's time to be the active participant rather than the passive.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

I am a passive participant? Me. Really?
That was BTW, a joke; a playful, ageist joke.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

And that was an anal sex joke. It's less fun, though, when I have to explain that.

[ 08. January 2015, 00:37: Message edited by: orfeo ]

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

Oh bugger.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

(sigh)

Every time I see that thread title I think, "Squelch, squelch, squelch." You two aren't helping.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

We're not here to help.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Oh bugger.

Hehehehe.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(sigh)

Every time I see that thread title I think, "Squelch, squelch, squelch." You two aren't helping.

Anal sex is not really my thing, but when you talk all sexy like that....

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

Just wait until you hear my SFX for teabagging.

Posted by Pyx_e (# 57) on :

Milk in first?

Posted by Robert Armin (# 182) on :

This page looks wrong - it's too narrow, too easily readable. Would a kindly Host please break the scroll lock for us?

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

You see, I've only been in the job bare weeks, and already I can't tell whether that's irony, sarcasm, or a cry for help.

Also, I'm looking at the Ship on a PC with monitor bigger than the Moon*. So who knows?

*may or may not be irony and/or sarcasm.

Posted by Albertus (# 13356) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Milk in first?

That's not how the toffs do it...

Posted by Leorning Cniht (# 17564) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:

Also, I'm looking at the Ship on a PC with monitor bigger than the Moon*. So who knows?

Maybe I can help with that.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
You see, I've only been in the job bare weeks, and already I can't tell whether that's irony, sarcasm, or a cry for help.

Also, I'm looking at the Ship on a PC with monitor bigger than the Moon*. So who knows?

*may or may not be irony and/or sarcasm.

We broke him! We broke him! [Yipee]

[ 09. January 2015, 01:53: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

Posted by no prophet's flag is set so... (# 15560) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Also, I'm looking at the Ship on a PC with monitor bigger than the Moon*.

The Belfiestick may be for you. For a mere $79.99 you, yes YOU, can now take better shots of your own ass from any angle.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
The Belfiestick may be for you. For a mere $79.99 you, yes YOU, can now take better shots of your own ass from any angle.

Bullguard has kindly protected me from whatever horrific image lies the other side of that link.

Others may not be so lucky, so proceed with caution...

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
You see, I've only been in the job bare weeks, and already I can't tell whether that's irony, sarcasm, or a cry for help.

Also, I'm looking at the Ship on a PC with monitor bigger than the Moon*. So who knows?

*may or may not be irony and/or sarcasm.
We broke him! We broke him!

Sanity is not a requirement of the job.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

But losing it is, so, once again-- we broke him! we broke him! [Yipee]

Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Albertus:

quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Milk in first?
That's not how the toffs do it...

Yes, but the upper classes always have been moral degenerates.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
But losing it is, so, once again-- we broke him! we broke him!

Tea and cake all round?

Posted by Net Spinster (# 16058) on :

I understand Cthulhu appears if a hell host loses sanity. Will tea and cake satisfy him?

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

IIRC, a sanity roll is made after Cthulu appears. Of course, the stars may be aligned correctly, in which case all bets are off.

(Ai! Ai!)

Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:
I understand Cthulhu appears if a hell host loses sanity. Will tea and cake satisfy him?

If that were the case then Cthulhu would be a permanent fixture.

Posted by ThunderBunk (# 15579) on :

Schtuppp....schtuppp.....schtupp.....schttupppp....[as orgasm is approached]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:

quote:
Originally posted by Net Spinster:
I understand Cthulhu appears if a hell host loses sanity. Will tea and cake satisfy him?
If that were the case then Cthulhu would be a permanent fixture.

Is it a standing invitation, though, or time-limited?

Posted by Cthulhu (# 16186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
IIRC, a sanity roll is made after Cthulu appears. Of course, the stars may be aligned correctly, in which case all bets are off.

(Ai! Ai!)

THE STARS ARE LOOKING REALLY BAD RIGHT NOW, BUDDY.

YOU MINIONS HAVE FORCED ME TO DO MY OWN SANITY ROLL. YOU KNOW HOW THAT MAKES ME FEEL? HUNGRY. HUNGRY FOR TASTY, TASTY SOULS.

NOW, CAN WE GO BACK TO JOYFULLY CELEBRATING BUTTSEX AND THE SCANDALOUS NOISE IT PRODUCES?

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

Take Kelly first. It's her fault.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

ITTWAEGW

Posted by Cthulhu (# 16186) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Take Kelly first. It's her fault.

NO, I THINK I WILL START WITH THE LITTLE SHIT WHO SPELLED MY NAME WRONG.

Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
ITTWAEGW

Nice one.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

Lovecraft's dead already. As is Ashton Smith. Ramsay Campbell's still with us, though. I'll give him a bell, and you can take it up with him.

(though with Ramsey's voice, you'll probably be able to hear his response in R'lyeh.)

[ 10. January 2015, 07:06: Message edited by: Doc Tor ]

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

quote:
Originally posted by Patdys:
ITTWAEGW
Nice one.

Someone's going to have to explain it to me. Evil Genius? Ex-Gay?

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

Equal God?

Posted by Ariel (# 58) on :

I'm guessing Elder God.

Posted by Patdys (# 9397) on :

Elder God.
Tsk tsk. Elder God should be Hell Host 101.
Standards are slipping.
Back in my day...<pointless blather>

Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :

Sadly, you will no longer be able to listen to The Sounds of Sodomy. The band is breaking up because 'Leute, wir können einfach nicht mehr den Song ,,Fick das Faultier´´ spielen.'*

*people, we can simply no more the song 'Fuck the Sloth' play.

Cultural tragedy I think we'd all agree.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

Hellhost 101? You think that I should have taken a comparative religions course to see how other faiths punish their wicked as a starting point for this place?

Listen pal, we've got quite enough difficulty around here getting the Judeo-Christian mob to all toe the line as to how the suffering is supposed to be meted out. I suppose at some point in time I might go on a fact-finding tour to other jurisdictions to find out how they do it (all expenses paid, of course) and see if there's any helpful ideas we could adapt for here, but right now it's challenge enough establishing which sins are unforgivable or deadly. Obtaining decent translations is just the first problem.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

Shiva and Cthulu sittin' in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G

Posted by Cthulhu (# 16186) on :

THAT BITCH BROKE MY HEART.

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Shiva and Cthulu sittin' in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G

This truly made me laugh out loud.

[ 10. January 2015, 22:03: Message edited by: orfeo ]

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:

quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Shiva and Cthulu sittin' in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
This truly made me laugh out loud.

Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis the Menace:

quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
If we shoved a spigot up his arse do you think it would keep him quiet?
He might even enjoy it!!!!

Just not in Ireland ... [Big Grin]

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

Erm...

The OP's link leads to the page where you read, "While it's unknown which Christian group produced the anti-gay propaganda..."

The picture of the leaflet, and every image I have seen of it is the same one, is a photo of a slightly shabby leaflet, but there is no link to where the leaflet came from, which group published it, etc, etc.

2 thoughts occur to me:

1) Is this actually for real?? It could be a spoof. Why is there no organisation listed on the leaflet? Do you not think that if there was a real campaign it would have a contact detail, the title of the group? If it was, say, the Irish Family Campaign (if there is one), that would be on the leaflet. It would publicise their cause.

There is nothing - that is suspicious.

2) Forgive me but a couple of phrases read slightly 'Catholic' to me. This suggests this is not a Christian far right group (if by that, one means evangelical). Protestants - especially evangelicals - do not refer to Jesus as 'Our Lord' when referring to him. In conversation or in print they would simply say Jesus or the Lord Jesus; but only Catholics refer to Christ as Our Lord (or Mary as Our Lady).

Also there is the phrase 'unholy acts'. Evangelicals talk about sin, or sinful acts, but not usually 'unholy acts'.

So as I follow the link and followed the links on Google, all I find is this one, unsourced, scruffy leaflet and all the reaction against it; but no original campaign details.

All very dodgy to me.

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

And odd. Christians aren't known for attacks on homosexuality.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And odd. Christians aren't known for attacks on homosexuality.

My point is that while there are indeed groups that 'attack' (to use your word) they usually self-identify - The Christian Institute, etc, etc.

Why is this entirely anonymous and why is the leaflet's publication restricted to Wicklow?

Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :

It's Ireland. Why on earth are you surprised that it reads 'Catholic'?

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
It's Ireland. Why on earth are you surprised that it reads 'Catholic'?

Not surprised; just making the point because the comments frequently speak about 'far right Christian group' and I'm not aware that it's a term used for any catholic groups. usually it refers to evangelical groups.

I would be really, really interested to find out if there is a real group behind this or if it's a spoof. I notice that the first instance of this is that 'I received this (photographed crumpled leaflet) from a friend.'

Hmmm

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

I don't think there's any particular mystery to unravel. Someone with poor typesetting skills and a bee in their bonnet has given a local printer a pdf and asked them to run off a couple of hundred leaflets - there needn't be an 'organisation' behind it (and as batshit-crazy as the Christian Institute are, they do at least normally spell things right) either left or right-wing.

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

Yes I agree. I don't think this is 'the Christian right' or a Catholic group or anything organised at all. This is a sad local busybody who sadly has learned a bit about desktop publishing but not much about the spellcheck facility.

The trouble is, because this one photographed, crumpled, leaflet has gone international, it makes the whole Christian Church - and not just the anti-gay people - look like dicks.

Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Mudfrog:
The trouble is, because this one photographed, crumpled, leaflet has gone international, it makes the whole Christian Church - and not just the anti-gay people - look like dicks.

We have the Christian Institute. We already look like dicks.

Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :

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Originally posted by Doc Tor:

quote:
Originally posted by Mudfrog:
The trouble is, because this one photographed, crumpled, leaflet has gone international, it makes the whole Christian Church - and not just the anti-gay people - look like dicks.
We have the Christian Institute. We already look like dicks.

The whole church has looked like dicks on this issue for 30 years.

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:
Erm...

The OP's link leads to the page where you read, "While it's unknown which Christian group produced the anti-gay propaganda..."

The picture of the leaflet, and every image I have seen of it is the same one, is a photo of a slightly shabby leaflet, but there is no link to where the leaflet came from, which group published it, etc, etc.

2 thoughts occur to me:

1) Is this actually for real?? It could be a spoof. Why is there no organisation listed on the leaflet? Do you not think that if there was a real campaign it would have a contact detail, the title of the group? If it was, say, the Irish Family Campaign (if there is one), that would be on the leaflet. It would publicise their cause.

There is nothing - that is suspicious.

2) Forgive me but a couple of phrases read slightly 'Catholic' to me. This suggests this is not a Christian far right group (if by that, one means evangelical). Protestants - especially evangelicals - do not refer to Jesus as 'Our Lord' when referring to him. In conversation or in print they would simply say Jesus or the Lord Jesus; but only Catholics refer to Christ as Our Lord (or Mary as Our Lady).

Also there is the phrase 'unholy acts'. Evangelicals talk about sin, or sinful acts, but not usually 'unholy acts'.

So as I follow the link and followed the links on Google, all I find is this one, unsourced, scruffy leaflet and all the reaction against it; but no original campaign details.

All very dodgy to me.

You're making progress when you find homophobia so ludicrous that you think it's a spoof or an attempt to denigrate the religious by issuing nasty satiric false slurs. Alas, probably not. Art Buchwald said he was giving up doing parody because he couldn't compete with the politicians. What outsider could hope to compete with things like the new emangelization project

It is amusing that a four color photo illustrated flier with dropout overlaid text superimposed is described as shabby. I'm impressed in how far desktop publishing has progressed so that even ignorant wankers can use commercial quality printing.

It's unsurprising that an Irish religious bigot might be Catholic. In the United States the term "Catholic Right" is used in describing certain public Homophobes who are the equivalent of the Protestant Christian Right, e.g. The catastrophic collapse of the Catholic Right

When the people who do this find that people are laughing at them, they'll probably try the Salvation Army approach of denying their homophobia ever happened.

[ 22. January 2015, 05:00: Message edited by: Palimpsest ]

Posted by mdijon (# 8520) on :

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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
When the people who do this find that people are laughing at them, they'll probably try the Salvation Army approach of denying their homophobia ever happened.

Well I certainly laughed at the quote

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They claim to be our friend, but they want us to enter through the back door...

Posted by Mudfrog (# 8116) on :

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Originally posted by Palimpsest:

It is amusing that a four color photo illustrated flier with dropout overlaid text superimposed is described as shabby. I'm impressed in how far desktop publishing has progressed so that even ignorant wankers can use commercial quality printing.

It's not the design of the leaflet that's shabby, but the condition of the leaflet as photographed - it's crumpled - presumably after being shoved through the letterbox. The point I was making was that this one picture of the crumpled leaflet is the only evidence we have of this 'campaign'.

How come, after all the publicity this has received since the 5th January, nobody has yet identified the group?

As I said, campaign groups are usually very good at self-publicity - why not this one?

Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

Thanks to modern technology one person with Photoshop on their computer and owning a color printer can produce things like this in limited quantities. They could also pay a lot more for a big run at a print shop.

This could simply be a one person effort and they've notice that the response to their flier is people falling down laughing. That may not encourage them to step forward. They may also simply be cowards who like to slander their neighbors anonymously.

Historically, there's been no shortage of ludicrous homophobic comments. Why only the other day I saw someone speculate that the anti-sodomy restriction of Leviticus might be do some lost valid hidden scientific reason of Bronze Age science and that he hoped it would be rediscovered. I doubt it was a parody, but maybe it was someone like Stephen Colbert, finishing a long gig as a parody of a right wing bigot. If so, I was fooled and missed the joke completely.

Posted by fletcher christian (# 13919) on :

It could also be a joke, which to be honest, was what I thought it was when I saw it. It's not uncommon here to see people get up to such antics, especially around a political hot potato. For instance, when there was a bit of a hoo-haa over the naming of a new bridge (some of the suggestions were very obviously politically motivated) some clever dick installed a brass plaque on the main bridge in Dublin city to a fictional character who supposedly plunged to his death in the Liffey from his carriage. But the plaque - which looked very official - was making a political nod with the mention of another name; a real character who died in the civil war.

Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :

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Originally posted by mdijon:
Well I certainly laughed at the quote
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They claim to be our friend, but they want us to enter through the back door...

Like the sign I once saw in a bookstore (Exeter, maybe?) that said "Gay Interest is located in the rear."

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Posted by Palimpsest (# 16772) on :

It is possible that the OP flier was a joke, but it's also in the range of possibility. If it is a parody, it seems like an interesting tactic to marginalize authentic nonsense.

So is the new emangelization project a joke or are they serious?

This reminds me of the standard bully defense when apprehended doing something mean; "I was only joking..."

Posted by lilBuddha (# 14333) on :

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Originally posted by Mudfrog:

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And odd. Christians aren't known for attacks on homosexuality.
My point is that while there are indeed groups that 'attack' (to use your word) they usually self-identify - The Christian Institute, etc, etc.

Why is this entirely anonymous and why is the leaflet's publication restricted to Wicklow?

So, the problem is that leaflet might not be real though its basic sentiment is most obviously so?

Posted by saysay (# 6645) on :

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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
So is the new emangelization project a joke or are they serious?

They're serious.

Posted by churchgeek (# 5557) on :

The twitter responses are awesome. I'm so glad I looked at this thread - I wouldn't have known about this otherwise.

"So is this anti-gay marriage, or pro-sound insulation in the house?" --a video response linked via Twitter

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