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Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
If you color a circular pattern with a colored pencil, demons will enter your body.

What kind of a dickless wimp must God be if his followers can become demon-infested by coloring in a coloring book?

Is it just me, or has a good proportion of the so-called Christian world lost its mind?
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Oh, Jesus H. Pete.

(Grabs fearmonger by lapels and snarls in his face)

Did you know that the basic mandela shape is one of the first graphic symbols childern all over the goddamn world make when they are learning to draw? Since the fucking dawn of time? No? Crack a book sometime, asshole, and stop picking on innocent line drawings.

(Shoves fearmonger back so he falls on ass.)
 
Posted by molopata (# 9933) on :
 
Thanks for posting this, MT.
I am now seriously concerned by the rosettas we have in the walls of our old churches.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
I suppose if I put "you're out of your fucking mind" as a comment on her blog post, it would be deleted. They all seem to be pretty supportive.

If my child's coloring book has a picture of a daisy, or God forbid a chrysanthemum, should I burn it, bury it, or take it to the priest to be exorcised? I'm so confused. And don't even get me started about sunflowers.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
OMG. I just bought one of those. Specifically mandalas. I love mandalas! And I find coloring them relaxing.

I was tempted to leave a comment noting that the dollar bill is full of Masonic [Eek!] symbols and to ask if she was going to toss out all her singles. Can't be having all those pagan images in her wallet, ya know. Maybe she could insist on using dollar coins.
 
Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
Nice one, Lyda. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Gee D (# 13815) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
Case proven - Chartres is a Catholic cathedral, not a Christian worship space.
 
Posted by jacobsen (# 14998) on :
 
The port holes on a ship! No wonder some ships sink. Has the SoF portholes? Abandon Ship, take to the lifeboats.......
 
Posted by Doc Tor (# 9748) on :
 
I presume this idiot moderates his comments section. Because only that would explain the complete absence of posts telling him he's an utter cockwomble and visiting his blog measurably lowers IQ.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
Do you notice that the default image that would attach to a comment, and the images many of the people commenting have used, are also geometric patterns ... not mandalas, but probably close enough.
 
Posted by orfeo (# 13878) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
The picture in the Jung quote about mandalas looks VERY much like a stained glass window.

Honestly, there is no limit to the level of stupid that people are capable of. None.
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
This sort of paranoid spirituality used to be fairly standard in Charevo groups in the 80s. In a fit of soundness when I was one I once got rid of my AD&D stuff. So fuck fear and fearmongering indeed!
 
Posted by Drifting Star (# 12799) on :
 
I suppose the Spirograph must be responsible for most of the ills of the world - since 1965 at least.

I also notice that the associated text for the image at the top of that blog is 'Joy Cropped'. One lonely (and presumably inadvertent) piece of self-awareness.
 
Posted by dyfrig (# 15) on :
 
When I heard about this, I tried to work our where I'd first come across the use of mandala as a technical term......

It was in a book discussing icons. The circle of light around Jesus in the icon of the Transfiguration, and the coloured one in some Pantokrator icons, symbolising universal power, were both described as mandalas.

I guess this is no crazier than the thing in the 80s where someone proved the wickedness of having an aromatherapist by putting a space between the "a" and the "t" and another one between the "e" and "r". Try it, and see what you get. EVIL!
 
Posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider (# 76) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dyfrig:
When I heard about this, I tried to work our where I'd first come across the use of mandala as a technical term......

It was in a book discussing icons. The circle of light around Jesus in the icon of the Transfiguration, and the coloured one in some Pantokrator icons, symbolising universal power, were both described as mandalas.

I guess this is no crazier than the thing in the 80s where someone proved the wickedness of having an aromatherapist by putting a space between the "a" and the "t" and another one between the "e" and "r". Try it, and see what you get. EVIL!
That one works for all therapists of course, and is the basis for a number of jokes.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Drifting Star:
I suppose the Spirograph must be responsible for most of the ills of the world - since 1965 at least.

I also notice that the associated text for the image at the top of that blog is 'Joy Cropped'. One lonely (and presumably inadvertent) piece of self-awareness.
And now I want a Spirograph. Must be demons.
 
Posted by Rocinante (# 18541) on :
 
And anyone with pierced ears is in thrall to Satan, and anyone with a contactless payment card bears the mark of the beast...there's no end of this stuff around. One reason why I stopped going to evangelical churches and avoid websites like the one linked in the OP.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
The demonic* can enter our world in many ways:


Colouring in geometric shapes isn't on my list

 

* this may be taken figuratively
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Amen.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
Doilies. They're circular, they're intricate, they exist for the sole purpose of making cake (and we all know how evil that is) even more attractive.

And don't get me started on crocheted circular tablemats.
 
Posted by Sioni Sais (# 5713) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
Doilies. They're circular, they're intricate, they exist for the sole purpose of making cake (and we all know how evil that is) even more attractive.

And don't get me started on crocheted circular tablemats.
Heck yes. For decades, maybe centuries, lacemaking was popular especially in Mediterranean countries. Still, they were mostly Catholics so what do you expect.

Where's Rosamundi when you want a view on this?
 
Posted by Margaret (# 283) on :
 
I have to say I'm disappointed in the quality of the demons generated by mandalas. We have two Tibetan painted mandalas hanging on our walls and somewhere in my husband's study a packet of sand he brought back from the American Academy of Religion conference last November, where a group of Tibetan monks created a sand mandala and then destroyed it and handed out packets of the sand it was made from. You'd think we'd have demons all over the house, running up and down the stairs, teasing the cats, grinning at us from dark corners, smashing the china in the kitchen - but no. Not enough demonic activity to worry the most anxious Christian. I'm disappointed, I tell you, seriously disappointed in mandala demons [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
OMG. I just bought one of those. Specifically mandalas. I love mandalas! And I find coloring them relaxing.

I was tempted to leave a comment noting that the dollar bill is full of Masonic [Eek!] symbols and to ask if she was going to toss out all her singles. Can't be having all those pagan images in her wallet, ya know. Maybe she could insist on using dollar coins.
She would definitely have to moderate your negative demon-supporting out. Probably feels attacked by demons if too many negative people did comment.

Besides, you are clearly an unsound person as everyone who's seen your ship icon should have known.

[ 01. March 2016, 12:44: Message edited by: Gwai ]
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
Doilies. They're circular, they're intricate, they exist for the sole purpose of making cake (and we all know how evil that is) even more attractive.
Especially Devil's Food cake!
[Devil]
 
Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :
 
I can think of all sorts of reasons why adult colouring books should be abjured, but letting demons in isn't one of them.

I look at them and think "you should be drawing your own patterns and colouring them in if that's what you want to do".

I remember, for they got a few things right, the Exclusive Brethren's concerns about computers - not the one about the demons, but the one about taking up time that should be taken up with better things.

But, O my goodness, demons!

Do you think I should exorcise my Nana's crochet milk cover, with its lacy edge and the beads to hold it down?

I'm doing some colouring tomorrow - because I can't take my knitting into the cabin, I'm translating the to and fro patterns into circular ones, and colour seems the best way to do it, but it's squares, so that's all right. Although squares are a bit Masonic, aren't they?

I feel that these people don't live in my world, they live somewhere much more like Harry Potter's universe, which is not where Christians should be.

[ 01. March 2016, 13:18: Message edited by: Penny S ]
 
Posted by Brenda Clough (# 18061) on :
 
A writer friend of mine (who should know better) alleges that it is possible to slip a sentence, oh, say 200 pages along into a novel, that when read will undermine your faith. I told him that if his faith was so fragile that one sentence could do it he needed work, and accused him of being a delicate daisy. He still has not forgiven me.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
But, Harry Potter encourages experimentation with witchcraft and magic. So, we should be out burning those demon-infested pages and DVDs.
 
Posted by Pigwidgeon (# 10192) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
But, Harry Potter encourages experimentation with witchcraft and magic. So, we should be out burning those demon-infested pages and DVDs.
Hey! Leave Hogwarts alone -- or I'll send you a Howler!
[Razz]
 
Posted by Ricardus (# 8757) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
Some time ago I saw an arts programme that claimed that the vesica piscis, which is the () shape of the burst of light you see round some images of the saints, is actually supposed to represent a vagina.

[ 01. March 2016, 14:08: Message edited by: Ricardus ]
 
Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :
 
And notice its alternative name, the MANDORLA !!
 
Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I presume this idiot moderates his comments section. Because only that would explain the complete absence of posts telling him he's an utter cockwomble and visiting his blog measurably lowers IQ.
If you click on the "other comments" at the bottom of the page, you will find some more critical ones - and some people address the writer as sister, despite the piccie.
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by dyfrig:
When I heard about this, I tried to work our where I'd first come across the use of mandala as a technical term......

It was in a book discussing icons. The circle of light around Jesus in the icon of the Transfiguration, and the coloured one in some Pantokrator icons, symbolising universal power, were both described as mandalas.

I guess this is no crazier than the thing in the 80s where someone proved the wickedness of having an aromatherapist by putting a space between the "a" and the "t" and another one between the "e" and "r". Try it, and see what you get. EVIL!
That one works for all therapists of course, and is the basis for a number of jokes.
I remember that as a gag on Three's Company. Janet was in a moralistic panic because she thought that some sex therapist they knew was having sex with her clients, and, when shown the woman's business card, pronounced "therapist" as two words.
 
Posted by sabine (# 3861) on :
 
Of course, this blogger would go to Carl Jung to prove how dangerous mandalas are. I love the quote provided: the circular image represents the wholeness, or to put it in mythic terms, the divinity incarnate in man.

Heaven help us if we have any symbol that might refer to. . . um. . . Jesus!

sabine
 
Posted by North East Quine (# 13049) on :
 
Originally posted by Sandemaniac;

quote:
Some time ago I saw an arts programme that claimed that the vesica piscis, which is the () shape of the burst of light you see round some images of the saints, is actually supposed to represent a vagina.
I will never look at the Church of Scotland logo (the burning bush within a vesica piscis) in the same way again.
 
Posted by LeRoc (# 3216) on :
 
quote:
sabine: Of course, this blogger would go to Carl Jung to prove how dangerous mandalas are. I love the quote provided: the circular image represents the wholeness, or to put it in mythic terms, the divinity incarnate in man.

Heaven help us if we have any symbol that might refer to. . . um. . . Jesus!
Also known as the divinity incarnate in man.
 
Posted by leo (# 1458) on :
 
I am full of demons and I recruit for ther devil - because I often used mandalas and colouring in when I found it difficult to poray. And I have commended this practice to many others.

How much does it cost to get an excorcism? And do they do 'Buy one get one free'?
 
Posted by sabine (# 3861) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LeRoc:

quote:
sabine: Of course, this blogger would go to Carl Jung to prove how dangerous mandalas are. I love the quote provided: the circular image represents the wholeness, or to put it in mythic terms, the divinity incarnate in man.

Heaven help us if we have any symbol that might refer to. . . um. . . Jesus!
Also known as the divinity incarnate in man.
[Big Grin] My point, exactly. This blogger is way too intent on seeing evil.

I feel sorry for people whose faith puts them in a position of constant vigilange against demonic powers to the point that they forget about grace. It must be a very high-anxiety life.

Maybe a little time with a mandala coloring book can help. [Snigger]

sabine
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
Every time I read that kind of crap, I think, "You have a really puny God, if you think he can't handle the teeny-weeny obstacles that loom so large for you." Not a lot of trust in God's power, eh?

I tend to think the same thing in a much more serious mode when radical Islamists attack cartoonists and magazines. Allah is in charge. And if he is as incensed by these little scratchers as you are, the blasphemers will have it coming in bigger measure than you can dole out. And just maybe he he doesn't like you hogging his prerogatives in the matter of divine justice. Hmmm?
 
Posted by Penny S (# 14768) on :
 
I suspect that if one spends so much time dwelling on the immanence of evil, then evil will be attracted. Though I'm not convinced of demons existence at all.
 
Posted by Schroedinger's cat (# 64) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Every time I read that kind of crap, I think, "You have a really puny God, if you think he can't handle the teeny-weeny obstacles that loom so large for you." Not a lot of trust in God's power, eh?
This is precisely my response. Some people will find X or Y problematic, but that is more likely to be a problem with that person than X or Y. Some people are susceptible to being influence, that may give them spiritual problems. To say that X or Y is dangerous is to miss the point.

In the end, the basic Adam Hills response is utterly appropriate: Don't be a dick. Whereas some Christians seem to take "being a dick" to new heights.
 
Posted by cliffdweller (# 13338) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The demonic* can enter our world in many ways:


Colouring in geometric shapes isn't on my list

 

* this may be taken figuratively
This. I'm dedicating my spirograph to you.
 
Posted by Stercus Tauri (# 16668) on :
 
Steam locomotive enthusiasts are notably sensitive souls and open to all kinds of suggestions that ordinary mortals are spared. We must now be careful to say a suitable prayer before daring to gaze upon that wondrous mandala-like pattern of spoked driving wheels moving under an invisible power, lest the devil make us even worse than the wretched deviants that we already are. I thank you, MT, for the warning. But it may be too late, though perhaps there is an appropriate service of exorcism that may be held over a locomotive before the public is allowed to see it?

Have I woken up in the wrong century after taking a nap?
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
Have I woken up in the wrong century after taking a nap?
No, this level of idiocy occurs in every century.

quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
I look at them and think "you should be drawing your own patterns and colouring them in if that's what you want to do".
Not everybody can draw beautiful shapes worth coloring in. But it's not nearly so difficult to color in somebody else's drawing. This is just snooty.
 
Posted by Alan Cresswell (# 31) on :
 
From my Facebook feed on this subject, I present Hildegard von Bingen.
 
Posted by Lyda*Rose (# 4544) on :
 
My girl! [Yipee]

(Well, but she was one of those Romans you know, worshiping images. Even worse, she actually created images with a bunch of Romish secret messages hidden in them. No wonder the Reformation broke out a few centuries later. [Disappointed] )
 
Posted by mousethief (# 953) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
From my Facebook feed on this subject, I present Hildegard von Bingen.
Wow, that "All Beings Celebrate Creation" is downright Escheresque. I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
 
Posted by Piglet (# 11803) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
Case proven - Chartres is a Catholic cathedral, not a Christian worship space.
Not quite proven - St. Magnus Cathedral in Orkney is used by the Church of Scotland, and has two. [Big Grin]

I think those mandalas are absolutely gorgeous; how can the Almighty possibly disapprove of people using the skills He gave them to produce a thing of beauty?

If I had any artistic ability whatsoever (which I haven't) I'd be tempted to give it a go myself.

[ 03. March 2016, 01:10: Message edited by: Piglet ]
 
Posted by dyfrig (# 15) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
I think you'll find that it was the famous book writer Dan Brown that did Angels and Demons.
 
Posted by Firenze (# 619) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dyfrig:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
I think you'll find that it was the famous book writer Dan Brown that did Angels and Demons.
The famous book writer may have got the idea from Escher since it would be not unlike the FBW to be a tad derivative.
 
Posted by Stetson (# 9597) on :
 
Piglet wrote:

quote:
I think those mandalas are absolutely gorgeous; how can the Almighty possibly disapprove of people using the skills He gave them to produce a thing of beauty?
Well, I might think that there are some pretty delicious wines, which may serve as testimony to the God-given talents of the winemaker.

On the other hand, I can respect it if someone's conception of God tells him to forego alchohol. I guess it's not MY conception of God, but I don't think I can really rebut his conception simply by saying "Oh, come on, winemakers have God-given skill!"

(Actually, I'm an abstainer, though not for religious reasons. But I thought alcohol made a better example than pork, which doesn't acquire its basic taste from the skills of the chef.)

[ 03. March 2016, 16:55: Message edited by: Stetson ]
 
Posted by dyfrig (# 15) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by dyfrig:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
I think you'll find that it was the famous book writer Dan Brown that did Angels and Demons.
The famous book writer may have got the idea from Escher since it would be not unlike the FBW to be a tad derivative.
H'yeah, right.

Next you'll be saying the phrase "This Side of Paradise" wasn't created by Ric Ocasek.

[ 04. March 2016, 10:25: Message edited by: dyfrig ]
 
Posted by Golden Key (# 1468) on :
 
Re Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons":

Actually, he played with ambigrams.

"Ambigrams: the upside down imagery of the artist who inspired Dan Brown: The author of The Da Vinci Code named the novel's hero after a mathematically minded typographer" (The Guardian).

Escher was probably in the general mix for doing that kind of morphing, though.
 
Posted by Pearl B4 Swine (# 11451) on :
 
I knew there was something spooky about Hildegard.

Hey, what about those 'christian' churches that install circular walking paths for meditation and prayer? Labyrinths. Clearly, demons are at work. You're doomed if you go all the way and win the lolly-pop, or if you fall out and leave early.

Great find, MT. I was running short of things to fear and worry over. I'll be on watch for devilish attempts to steal my pathetic soul.

G.M.Hopkins was so damn right when he wrote "No worst... there is none."
 
Posted by Philip Charles (# 618) on :
 
What kind of daemons? Maxwell had a friendly and helpful one.
 
Posted by Dark Knight (# 9415) on :
 
To paraphrase Turkish from Snatch - Fuck me, mt, what have you been reading?
I stopped reading the linked blog a few seconds after it became clear to me that it was actually making me stupider.
I did note that someone has responded to the Last Hiker's inanity with a post about stained glass windows in cathedrals being pretty aces. And the ultimate pedestrian has in turn responded with something about the window being connected to the Templars, who apparently had something to do with the occult.
[Roll Eyes]
Oh brave new world, that has such fuckwits in it ...
 


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