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Posted by Bob Two-Owls (# 9680) on :
 
Some local news: some Derby Cathedral services are being held in the nearby Roman Catholic Church until the decorators have finished. Having seen all kinds of Christian and even multi-faith services being held in the Cathedral and other various churches around the city I find it surprising that this is a first for the UK. Has there been a softening of attitudes towards this kind of thing or has it just never occurred to anyone to ask before? I know in Derby the Anglican Cathedral is on friendly terms with the local Catholic Church due to historical links (The Padley Martyrs) but I would have expected something like this to have happened before.
 
Posted by Forthview (# 12376) on :
 
This may be a first for Anglicans in a Catholic church,but it is not unknown in Scotland for Presbyterians to use a Catholic church for services.

Equally it is not uncommon for Catholics to use Anglican church for services.

A few years ago on Easter Sunday afternoon I was passing the beautifully sited Glenfinnan Catholic church.There was obviously a service taking place.
When I went in to see ,it was a Church of Scotland baptism. Given that the area around is majority Catholic the Presbyterians use the church for occasional services.
 
Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :
 
I know at least one URC church in our neck of the woods which hosts a weekly Catholic Mass after its own service.
 
Posted by Arethosemyfeet (# 17047) on :
 
They are specifically talking about Cathedral services - Anglicans using Catholic churches and vice versa is pretty common.
 
Posted by Bob Two-Owls (# 9680) on :
 
Yes, this is specifically about Cathedral services. I know that some local Catholics are uneasy about it but I don't really know why a Cathedral service should be any different to any other service, particularly when it is mainly stuff like evensong where Bishops are never seen.
 
Posted by *Leon* (# 3377) on :
 
If we're only talking about cathedral services, we need to start by considering how often cathedrals are closed for longish periods due to refurbishment. Without hard evidence, I assume this is more likely to happen now with increased health and safety rules.

Maybe other people can help me here, but I can't actually think of any time when this has happened. In which case it's hardly surprising that no cathedral has ever used a catholic church as a temporary home.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
This probably is a first for English cathedrals, but bear in mind that compared with other cathedrals, Derby is quite small - about the size of a large-ish parish church. Where most cathedrals have space to continue in various side chapels (some of which are the size of a modest parish church) while building works take place, that's not really possible at Derby.
 
Posted by Baptist Trainfan (# 15128) on :
 
Well, it was a Parish Church until 1927.
 
Posted by Spike (# 36) on :
 
Still is.
 
Posted by Oscar the Grouch (# 1916) on :
 
I'm not sure I really see the difference between a parish church holding services in a Catholic church and a cathedral doing the same.

The church where I was a curate had, some 10 years before, suffered a severe fire. Whilst the building was being rebuilt, all services were held in the local Catholic shack. By all accounts, this went well and relationships between Anglicans and Catholics in the town improved considerably.
 
Posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe (# 5521) on :
 
Several years ago there was a devastating fire at Trinity Cathedral (Episcopal) here in Phoenix. Services were held at a nearby Catholic church while rebuilding was underway.
 
Posted by Knopwood (# 11596) on :
 
One of the big incentives to build Christ Church (later Cathedral) in Montréal was the perceived indignity of having to worship in borrowed RC premises (the Recollet chapel) filled with "graven images."

I know there have been controversies in the US over the use of RC cathedrals for Episcopal and United Methodist ordination services.
 
Posted by Wm Dewy (# 16712) on :
 
I recall that at least the last three bishops of the Episcopal Diocese of Northern Indiana were consecrated at Sacred Heart Church, now a Basilica, in Notre Dame, Indiana. It didn't strike me as unusual. The Roman Catholics were present as observers, as I remember, and there was a nice spirit of harmonious co-operation all around.
 
Posted by Cameron PM (# 18142) on :
 
I think the Anglicans use the Basilica for the privilege of the organ. I see nothing wrong with it at all.
 
Posted by venbede (# 16669) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
I'm not sure I really see the difference between a parish church holding services in a Catholic church and a cathedral doing the same.
I think the point wasn't the status of Derby Cathedral as a bishop's seat and parish church.

The point was it was architecturally more like a parish church than a typical cathedral, ie smaller.
 
Posted by georgiaboy (# 11294) on :
 
In Louisville KY, Cathedral of the Assumption (RC) and Christ Church Cathedral (TEC) are precisely 3 blocks apart in the mid-town area. Relations between the two have been friendly for years and many projects are undertaken jointly.

For several years (don't know if it still continues) they shared Vespers/Evensong services on the Sundays in Lent, alternating locations, sharing in the liturgy and preaching, etc. This was climaxed by a joint beginning of the Easter Vigil, which began in a public square between the 2 churches with Blessing the Fire and Paschal Candles and then processions formed to the churches.

The most interesting year, however, was that when Christ Church was closed for renovation. The complete services was at Assumption, with both Bps present and officiating, all clergy and choirs from both churches taking part.
The way it ran was:
 I am told that the RC Bp said before beginning the Offertory action, 'All of you, look at the empty seats our friends have left. Don't move over to fill them up. Keep them as a reminder of the divisions in the Church.'
It was a splendid and moving event.
 
Posted by georgiaboy (# 11294) on :
 
In Louisville KY, Cathedral of the Assumption (RC) and Christ Church Cathedral (TEC) are precisely 3 blocks apart in the mid-town area. Relations between the two have been friendly for years and many projects are undertaken jointly.

For several years (don't know if it still continues) they shared Vespers/Evensong services on the Sundays in Lent, alternating locations, sharing in the liturgy and preaching, etc. This was climaxed by a joint beginning of the Easter Vigil, which began in a public square between the 2 churches with Blessing the Fire and Paschal Candles and then processions formed to the churches.

The most interesting year, however, was that when Christ Church was closed for renovation. The complete services was at Assumption, with both Bps present and officiating, all clergy and choirs from both churches taking part.
The way it ran was:
 I am told that the RC Bp said before beginning the Offertory action, 'All of you, look at the empty seats our friends have left. Don't move over to fill them up. Keep them as a reminder of the divisions in the Church.'
It was a splendid and moving event.
 


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