|
Source: (consider it)
|
Thread: Installation of TEC's Presiding Bishop November 1
|
Pigwidgeon
Ship's Owl
# 10192
|
Posted
I really hope we have someone who can MW this. Is anyone going? The worship bulletin PDF was posted today here.
He certainly seems to have included a little bit of everything. Any thoughts?
--------------------
"...that is generally a matter for Pigwidgeon, several other consenting adults, a bottle of cheap Gin and the odd giraffe."
~Tortuf
Posts: 9835 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
dj_ordinaire
Host
# 4643
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
A couple of questions - what is the second language for the Gospel, and I take it that Mine eyes have seen the glory is a popular, somewhat 'patriotic' hymn without any significant historical 'baggage' in the USA.
Re: the first point, that looks very interesting and my guess would be that it is a First Nations language, but that is only a guess.
Re: the second point - I guess so although I am surprised that the non-inclusive language in the final verse was left in.
--------------------
Flinging wide the gates...
Posts: 10335 | From: Hanging in the balance of the reality of man | Registered: Jun 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Augustine the Aleut
Shipmate
# 1472
|
Posted
My knowledge of First Nations languages is pretty limited, but it doesn't look like an Iroquioan or other eastern woodlands language to me. Would it be Cherokee-- this is the tribe which is the largest in North Carolina, Bishop Curry's home state?
Posts: 6236 | From: Ottawa, Canada | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Siegfried
Ship's ferret
# 29
|
Posted
The hymn name, "Heleluyan" comes up as being a traditional Muskogee (Creek)song, so I'm guessing the gospel would be in the same language family--Cherokee is a good guess.
--------------------
Siegfried
Life is just a bowl of cherries!
Posts: 5592 | From: Tallahassee, FL USA | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Pigwidgeon
Ship's Owl
# 10192
|
Posted
According to this article, The Rev. Brandon Mauai (who is listed as the Gospeller) is Lakota and Polynesian. Other Google results listed him as being resident in both North and South Dakota at different times. So my guess would be Lakota, representing a nation with a large Episcopal presence.
--------------------
"...that is generally a matter for Pigwidgeon, several other consenting adults, a bottle of cheap Gin and the odd giraffe."
~Tortuf
Posts: 9835 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Gee D
Shipmate
# 13815
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I really hope we have someone who can MW this. Is anyone going? The worship bulletin PDF was posted today here.
He certainly seems to have included a little bit of everything. Any thoughts?
Thank you for the link. I certainly hope that there will be an MW to let those of us too far away know how it all went. The compiler of service overall does seem to have gone out of the way to include as much as possible, perhaps more than desirable.
--------------------
Not every Anglican in Sydney is Sydney Anglican
Posts: 7028 | From: Warrawee NSW Australia | Registered: Jun 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Photo Geek
Shipmate
# 9757
|
Posted
There will be a live webcast on the cathedral's website. It will also be webcast on the cathedral's Youtube channel.
--------------------
"Liberal Christian" is not an oxymoron.
Posts: 242 | From: Southern Ohio, US | Registered: Jul 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061
|
Posted
I could go -- it is only about half a hour away. But traffic will be a total pain, and there is NO parking near the cathedral at all.
--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page
Posts: 6378 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014
| IP: Logged
|
|
Pigwidgeon
Ship's Owl
# 10192
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I could go -- it is only about half a hour away. But traffic will be a total pain, and there is NO parking near the cathedral at all.
Tickets haven't been available for several weeks.
--------------------
"...that is generally a matter for Pigwidgeon, several other consenting adults, a bottle of cheap Gin and the odd giraffe."
~Tortuf
Posts: 9835 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Enoch
Shipmate
# 14322
|
Posted
It's odd that an imam and a rabbi have been invited to take part, but no Roman Catholic - or would the US Catholic church have declined to take part if invited.
--------------------
Brexit wrexit - Sir Graham Watson
Posts: 7610 | From: Bristol UK(was European Green Capital 2015, now Ljubljana) | Registered: Nov 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Gee D
Shipmate
# 13815
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Photo Geek:
There will be a live webcast on the cathedral's website. It will also be webcast on the cathedral's Youtube channel.
Sadly, the time difference means that the service occurs very early Monday morning on our time. We might try to record it.
I was surprised that the only other denomination with a participating clergyman was the Moravian. I can understand that, but was expecting at least one ECLA representative given the table shared with them as well as the Moravians, and the very close shared involvement in the consecration of bishops.
--------------------
Not every Anglican in Sydney is Sydney Anglican
Posts: 7028 | From: Warrawee NSW Australia | Registered: Jun 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Augustine the Aleut
Shipmate
# 1472
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
It's odd that an imam and a rabbi have been invited to take part, but no Roman Catholic - or would the US Catholic church have declined to take part if invited.
I gather that the Orthodox declined an invitation. The Assembly of Bishops in the US have suspended their participation in any Anglican talks, and are only now dealing with the RCs and the Orientals. The USCCB has made no statement on the event.
Posts: 6236 | From: Ottawa, Canada | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Chapelhead
I am
# 21
|
Posted
A couple of other thoughts. It's good to see that those responsible for the service have the proper sense of priorities - it's "Holy Eucharist with the Installation..." . Rather unlike certain other installations that I can recall, that didn't even have Communion, presumably for fear of frightening the horses.
But the business of knocking on the door at the start, am I right in thinking that this is an ancient ceremony that's about ten minutes old? What is it supposed to mean?
[ 25. October 2015, 18:43: Message edited by: Chapelhead ]
--------------------
At times like this I find myself thinking, what would the Amish do?
Posts: 9123 | From: Near where I was before. | Registered: Aug 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Photo Geek
Shipmate
# 9757
|
Posted
More than 10 minutes. This video is from 1937.
--------------------
"Liberal Christian" is not an oxymoron.
Posts: 242 | From: Southern Ohio, US | Registered: Jul 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
dj_ordinaire
Host
# 4643
|
Posted
A new Archbishop of Canterbury does the same thing, so one imagines it is inherited from older Anglican customs.
--------------------
Flinging wide the gates...
Posts: 10335 | From: Hanging in the balance of the reality of man | Registered: Jun 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
# 13
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
I take it that Mine eyes have seen the glory is a popular, somewhat 'patriotic' hymn without any significant historical 'baggage' in the USA.
It has enormous historical baggage. "Mine eyes have seen the glory" is the first line of the song titled "The Battle Hymn of the Republic." It was written during the Civil War and links the Union cause with the triumph of Christ. Read more here: wikipedia on the Battle Hymn.
Posts: 24453 | From: La La Land | Registered: Apr 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Augustine the Aleut
Shipmate
# 1472
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
A couple of other thoughts. It's good to see that those responsible for the service have the proper sense of priorities - it's "Holy Eucharist with the Installation..." . Rather unlike certain other installations that I can recall, that didn't even have Communion, presumably for fear of frightening the horses.
But the business of knocking on the door at the start, am I right in thinking that this is an ancient ceremony that's about ten minutes old? What is it supposed to mean?
IIRC correctly, bishops did not have the right to enter the cathedral without the dean's permission, and the door-knocking was to let the dean know that the bishop had arrived for his enthronement. The practice finds its roots in the mediaeval disputes between bishops and cathedral chapters (which lasted for quite a while in some countries-- aficionadi of Spanish colonial history can reel off dozens of cases of troops being called in to settle disturbances involving cathedral chapters).
Posts: 6236 | From: Ottawa, Canada | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Chapelhead
I am
# 21
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Photo Geek:
More than 10 minutes. This video is from 1937.
Fairy nuff. But why? When Black Rod does something similar at the State opening of Parliament, the business symbolises the independence of the Commons from the monarchy. What is shutting the door to the Bishop supposed to mean? That the Dean doesn't like him/her? That his entrance to the Cathedral is only by concession of the people?
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
I take it that Mine eyes have seen the glory is a popular, somewhat 'patriotic' hymn without any significant historical 'baggage' in the USA.
It has enormous historical baggage. "Mine eyes have seen the glory" is the first line of the song titled "The Battle Hymn of the Republic." It was written during the Civil War and links the Union cause with the triumph of Christ. Read more here: wikipedia on the Battle Hymn.
Which is what prompted my question. I was under the impression that "Mine eyes" was a potentially controversial hymn (especially in the Southern states). But Wikipedia says that it gets sung at national conventions of both the Democrat and Republican parties, so I thought that perhaps I had been mistaken about it's level of significance and controversial nature. Is it's use in the installation service seen by US Shipmates as a very 'pointed' inclusion?
--------------------
At times like this I find myself thinking, what would the Amish do?
Posts: 9123 | From: Near where I was before. | Registered: Aug 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
FCB
Hillbilly Thomist
# 1495
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
A new Archbishop of Canterbury does the same thing, so one imagines it is inherited from older Anglican customs.
It makes sense for the Archbishop of Canterbury, since he is coming to take possession of his cathedral, but the Washington Cathedral is the cathedral of the bishop of DC, not the Presiding Bishop (though it appears that he does have a stall in choir). This has long puzzled me about this office: how can one be a bishop without a diocese? RC auxiliaries and curial officials at least have the fig leaf of being bishop of some defunct diocese buried beneath the sands in North Africa or some place like that.
--------------------
Agent of the Inquisition since 1982.
Posts: 2928 | From: that city in "The Wire" | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Augustine the Aleut
Shipmate
# 1472
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by FCB:
quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
A new Archbishop of Canterbury does the same thing, so one imagines it is inherited from older Anglican customs.
It makes sense for the Archbishop of Canterbury, since he is coming to take possession of his cathedral, but the Washington Cathedral is the cathedral of the bishop of DC, not the Presiding Bishop (though it appears that he does have a stall in choir). This has long puzzled me about this office: how can one be a bishop without a diocese? RC auxiliaries and curial officials at least have the fig leaf of being bishop of some defunct diocese buried beneath the sands in North Africa or some place like that.
There is a greater ecclesiological logic to the RC & Orthodox approach (and who doesn't want to be the Bishop of Cleopatridis or of Babylon) but, aside from the evident and problematic use of the episcopate as a corporate administration or promotion rank in Anglican circles, both TEC's Presiding Bishopcy (term newly invented by me) and the ACCoC's Primacy became supra-diocesan offices when it was felt that the administrative and travelling burdens of a diocesan bishop also having national responsibilities was too much. In Canada, there was discussion of the primacy and the Diocese of Rupertsland being united, as Winnipeg was the communications centre of Canada at the time, and S John's College at the U of Manitoba was being viewed as a good spot for the national church's offices and archives-- but it fizzled out for some reason or the other. In the US, it was felt that the office of PB was not primatial (it is now) or even metropolitical and so a permanent see or even the rank of archbishop was un-TECian.
IIRC the PB's cathedra is at the National Cathedral which makes it, as well, his cathedral as well as that of the Bishop of Washington (Ottawa also has a double cathedra cathedral, with the diocesan bishop and the Bishop Ordinary of the Armed Forces enthroned in proximity) but I am not sure if the dean is the dean for the Diocese of Washington only. Somebody else may know.
Posts: 6236 | From: Ottawa, Canada | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
stonespring
Shipmate
# 15530
|
Posted
Does anyone know where the Eucharistic Prayer used is from?
Posts: 1537 | Registered: Mar 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
Chapelhead
I am
# 21
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by stonespring:
Does anyone know where the Eucharistic Prayer used is from?
It looks to me like Eucharistic Prayer 2 from Enriching Our Worship. (PDF), Based on the Prayer of St Basil, which is used in the Coptic church and in modified forms in the Byzantine churches, the Roman Catholic Church and many other places (including the Church of England as Eucharistic Prayer F and, obviously, TEC).
But I'm no expert.
--------------------
At times like this I find myself thinking, what would the Amish do?
Posts: 9123 | From: Near where I was before. | Registered: Aug 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Knopwood
Shipmate
# 11596
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
In Canada, there was discussion of the primacy and the Diocese of Rupertsland being united, as Winnipeg was the communications centre of Canada at the time, and S John's College at the U of Manitoba was being viewed as a good spot for the national church's offices and archives-- but it fizzled out for some reason or the other.
With the talk of a joint national office with the ELCiC, currently headquartered in Winnipeg, perhaps that idea will get a new lease on life.
Posts: 6806 | From: Tio'tia:ke | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
John Holding
Coffee and Cognac
# 158
|
Posted
[begin tangent]
quote:
Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FCB:
[qb] the ACCoC's Primacy became supra-diocesan offices when it was felt that the administrative and travelling burdens of a diocesan bishop also having national responsibilities was too much. In Canada, there was discussion of the primacy and the Diocese of Rupertsland being united, as Winnipeg was the communications centre of Canada at the time, and S John's College at the U of Manitoba was being viewed as a good spot for the national church's offices and archives-- but it fizzled out for some reason or the other.
Ahem. I was a student ac St. John's College at the time, and any idea of housing HQ there would have required the eviction of the COllege simply in terms of finding office space. That would not have flown in Rupertsland at the time.
Rupertsland (basically, Winnipeg) had been the seat of all but 2 (?3) of the primates to that point. Originally the primacy went by seniority, but Barfoot and Clark (primate in the 1960s) were elected by, I think, the House of Bishops -- as have all subsequent Primates.
The change by which the primate took left his diocese had no doubt some administrative basis. But a major factor was Clark's chronic and very severe arthritis (in the back). He was almost paralyzed at times, and certainly unable to get out of bed, much less travel to TOronto, on a of occasions for periods of two months or more.
I later heard that St. Paul's BLoor Street fancied it might become the primatial cathedral, but I doubt that was ever on the cards. And the sermon I heard Clark deliver at St. Paul's on its 100th annivesary, (1968) breaking the news that the 1914-18 was was over, that "christendom" had died in the trenches, and that the church generally -- and implicitly St. Paul's in particular -- had better start acting as if it was living in the Canada of 1968. Not a message St. Paul's wanted to hear,so I suppose that ended any ambitions it had.
[end tangent]
John
Posts: 5929 | From: Ottawa, Canada | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
FCB
Hillbilly Thomist
# 1495
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
quote:
Originally posted by stonespring:
Does anyone know where the Eucharistic Prayer used is from?
It looks to me like Eucharistic Prayer 2 from Enriching Our Worship. (PDF), Based on the Prayer of St Basil, which is used in the Coptic church and in modified forms in the Byzantine churches, the Roman Catholic Church and many other places (including the Church of England as Eucharistic Prayer F and, obviously, TEC).
The prayer for the installation has, as far as I can tell, no connection to Basil. You may be thinking of Prayer D from the American BCP (a cousin of EPIV in the Roman Missal).
--------------------
Agent of the Inquisition since 1982.
Posts: 2928 | From: that city in "The Wire" | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Chapelhead
I am
# 21
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by FCB:
The prayer for the installation has, as far as I can tell, no connection to Basil. You may be thinking of Prayer D from the American BCP (a cousin of EPIV in the Roman Missal).
Ah good, some who does know what they're talking about. I'm sure you're right. I think I'm going astray in seeing connections (in the preface) between this EP and EP 'F' from the CofE's Common Worship (related, I believe to the two other EPs you mention).
--------------------
At times like this I find myself thinking, what would the Amish do?
Posts: 9123 | From: Near where I was before. | Registered: Aug 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
# 3659
|
Posted
Here is the link for the live broadcast of the Installation of Bishop Curry.
When the Most Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori was installed as Presiding Bishop, we didn't have an MW report, but several shippies watched the broadcast and discussed it here in Eccles.
In addition, note that on Oct. 31 at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time, the Union of Black Episcopalians are sponsoring a Vigil Celebration and Eucharist. Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori will preside at the Eucharist and Presiding Bishop-Elect Curry will celebrate. The link for live viewing of that celebration is
here.
--------------------
Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world’s grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
Posts: 20761 | From: where the purple line ends | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Fr Weber
Shipmate
# 13472
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
In addition, note that on Oct. 31 at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time, the Union of Black Episcopalians are sponsoring a Vigil Celebration and Eucharist. Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori will preside at the Eucharist and Presiding Bishop-Elect Curry will celebrate.
![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I thought those were the same thing. Does "preside" mean that the Eucharist will be celebrated in her presence?
--------------------
"The Eucharist is not a play, and you're not Jesus."
--Sr Theresa Koernke, IHM
Posts: 2512 | From: Oakland, CA | Registered: Feb 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Forthview
Shipmate
# 12376
|
Posted
In pre Vatican 2 times in the RC church a bishop would often 'preside' at a Mass,meaning that he would oversee and as 'president' (an unknown term then)would give the final blessing.
This would also cut out all the ceremonies of a Solemn Pontifical Mass.
Posts: 3444 | From: Edinburgh | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Knopwood
Shipmate
# 11596
|
Posted
Yes, the distinction is one I've not heard made apart from at places like S. Clement's, Philadelphia (presumably because the diocesan might not be au fait with all that goes into a Pontifical High Mass!)
Posts: 6806 | From: Tio'tia:ke | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Hooker's Trick
Admin Emeritus and Guardian of the Gin
# 89
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
He certainly seems to have included a little bit of everything. Any thoughts?
What I've never understood is why the organisers of events like these insist on making them as far removed as humanly or heavenly possible from what one could reasonably expect to actually encounter in an actual Episcopal parish church, or indeed cathedral.
I'm beginning to think there must be a line item in the National Cathedral's budget to hire in troupes of Native American performers for big episcopal dos.
Posts: 6735 | From: Gin Lane | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Ceremoniar
Shipmate
# 13596
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Forthview:
In pre Vatican 2 times in the RC church a bishop would often 'preside' at a Mass,meaning that he would oversee and as 'president' (an unknown term then)would give the final blessing.
This would also cut out all the ceremonies of a Solemn Pontifical Mass.
True, and this is sometimes still done today at Masses in the Extraordinary Form. The term usually used would be "pontificate from the throne." The Mass would be celebrated, as another poster said, "in the presence of the bishop." The bishop would still give all blessings, including of incense multiple times, the deacon before the gospel, the water at the offertory, and the people at the end of Mass. There would still be a considerable amount of ceremonial connected with all of this.
Posts: 1240 | From: U.S. | Registered: Apr 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Adam.
Like as the
# 4991
|
Posted
I've never been to one of these, but it sounds like what our local bishop told me he does when he has confirmations at one of our diocese's EF parishes: the pastor celebrates Mass "in the presence of a greater prelate" and he confers confirmation after the Mass.
--------------------
Ave Crux, Spes Unica!
Preaching blog
Posts: 8164 | From: Notre Dame, IN | Registered: Sep 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Forthview
Shipmate
# 12376
|
Posted
Yes, indeed every Mass in his diocese is celebrated by those presbyters whom he has commissioned to do so in his name.
Many ceremonies in the olden days were influenced by the fasting laws of the time.
If the bishop visited a parish it was often at a later time of the morning. By celebrating an early Mass himself, he could indeed 'pontificate from the throne' without having to remain fasting.
Yes ,there would be certain ceremonial, such as the entrance to the strains of 'Ecce Sacerdos magnus' and later on his being conducted to a prie-dieu for the Canon of the Mass, but things were much simpler all round, as many of his presbyters would not be aware of the intricacies of a Solemn Pontifical Mass.
Posts: 3444 | From: Edinburgh | Registered: Feb 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Pigwidgeon
Ship's Owl
# 10192
|
Posted
Special prayers today for Bishop Curry and his family as they face enormous changes and challenges. I'll be anxious to watch the video later!
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
--------------------
"...that is generally a matter for Pigwidgeon, several other consenting adults, a bottle of cheap Gin and the odd giraffe."
~Tortuf
Posts: 9835 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Arethosemyfeet
Shipmate
# 17047
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Hooker's Trick:
quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
He certainly seems to have included a little bit of everything. Any thoughts?
What I've never understood is why the organisers of events like these insist on making them as far removed as humanly or heavenly possible from what one could reasonably expect to actually encounter in an actual Episcopal parish church, or indeed cathedral.
I'm beginning to think there must be a line item in the National Cathedral's budget to hire in troupes of Native American performers for big episcopal dos.
Presumably what might happen in an Episcopal parish church in a white suburb might be rather different from what might happen in one on a reservation, and events at the national level try to encompass that variety in some form.
Posts: 2933 | From: Hebrides | Registered: Apr 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
LA Dave
Shipmate
# 1397
|
Posted
I find it quite amazing that no ELCA representative participated at the installation. The installation of the retiring PB 10 years ago was also Lutheran-free. So much for the ecumenical spirit of TECUSA.
I thought that the music was a mixed bag. Loved some elements (gospel choir, Gerre Hancock's amazing arrangement of "Deep River"), hated the Marty Haugen piece and "I Sing a Song of the Saints of God."
OH well.
Posts: 981 | From: Take a guess | Registered: Sep 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
stonespring
Shipmate
# 15530
|
Posted
The Marty Haugen piece (yes I know he's Lutheran) was probably included as an effort to evangelize to liberal Catholics. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posts: 1537 | Registered: Mar 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
Knopwood
Shipmate
# 11596
|
Posted
He's certainly wildly popular in the Lutheran churches I've attended, but I thought he was United Church of Christ?
Posts: 6806 | From: Tio'tia:ke | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
FCB
Hillbilly Thomist
# 1495
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Knopwood:
He's certainly wildly popular in the Lutheran churches I've attended, but I thought he was United Church of Christ?
Raised Lutheran; now UCC.
--------------------
Agent of the Inquisition since 1982.
Posts: 2928 | From: that city in "The Wire" | Registered: Oct 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
# 3659
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Fr Weber:
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
In addition, note that on Oct. 31 at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time, the Union of Black Episcopalians are sponsoring a Vigil Celebration and Eucharist. Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori will preside at the Eucharist and Presiding Bishop-Elect Curry will celebrate.
I thought those were the same thing. Does "preside" mean that the Eucharist will be celebrated in her presence?
I talked with someone who attended the Vigil Eucharist. Simply stated, Bishop Shori was officiant during the liturgy of the Word and then Bishop Curry was officiant for everything after the offertory.
--------------------
Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world’s grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
Posts: 20761 | From: where the purple line ends | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Printer-friendly view
