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Pangolin Guerre
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I was checking the website of the newspaper from my home area, and noticed that a Roman Catholic elementary school is being renamed, and the local RC school board canvassed the community for names. On the short list of five, four were uncontroversial/predictable: Pope Francis, St. Theresa (Mother Theresa), St Michael (the Archangel), and St Mary (the Virgin). The fifth caused me to cock a brow: St Gianna.
From the Timmins Daily Press:
'“St. Gianna Elementary School” is based on a slightly lesser-known figure: Gianna Beretta Molla.
St. Gianna decided to bring a complicated pregnancy to term instead of having an abortion or a hysterectomy, despite knowing that doing so would likely cause her death. Her child was born in 1962 and grew up to be a doctor, but she herself died after the delivery. She is now the patron saint of unborn children.'
The complicating factor here is that in the province of Ontario Catholic schools are publicly funded - one declares on one's taxes whether one is a public or separate (i.e., Catholic, and only Catholic) school supporter. The other four choices would, I think, pass without comment, but St Gianna, making it to the short list out of 39 possible names, struck me as (a) unlikely, and (b) a deliberate, sharp poke in the eye - a rather gratuitous one. No one is in doubt as to what Catholic doctrine is on the question of termination of pregnancy, but putting St Gianna on a school is a bit OTP, IMO.
Thoughts?
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The complicating factor here is that in the province of Ontario Catholic schools are publicly funded - one declares on one's taxes whether one is a public or separate (i.e., Catholic, and only Catholic) school supporter. The other four choices would, I think, pass without comment, but St Gianna, making it to the short list out of 39 possible names, struck me as (a) unlikely, and (b) a deliberate, sharp poke in the eye - a rather gratuitous one. No one is in doubt as to what Catholic doctrine is on the question of termination of pregnancy, but putting St Gianna on a school is a bit OTP, IMO.
Thoughts?
Well, Catholic schools are supposed to promote Catholic docrine, and one of the main tenets is blanket opposition to abortion. So, naming a school after this woman fits right into the program.
Sure, you can argue it's a provocation against people(including me) who favour liberalized abortion laws. But you could just as easily argue that naming a school after Dorothy Day is a provocation against people who favour free-market economics, or naming a school after Sister Helen Prejean is a provocation against people who support capital punishment.
I think a better approach to take would be to question the funding of sectarian schools generally, ie. whether or not the state should support religious groups in the riding of their own private hobbyhorses.
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Pangolin Guerre
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Originally posted by Stetson:
[QUOTE]Well, Catholic schools are supposed to promote Catholic docrine, and one of the main tenets is blanket opposition to abortion. So, naming a school after this woman fits right into the program.
I think a better approach to take would be to question the funding of sectarian schools generally, ie. whether or not the state should support religious groups in the riding of their own private hobbyhorses.
I agree that St Gianna Elementary School would be doctrinally coherent. It's just that St Gianna's comparative obscurity suggests an organised agenda , at the very least to make a point, of which everyone is already aware.
As to school funding, it's political kryptonite. Proposed expansion of sectarian funding was one thing that sunk John Tory when he was leader of the provincial Progressive Conservative Party. (There are competing accounts as to why he went down that road.) Elimination of funding would be equally politically toxic to its advocate.
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I agree that St Gianna Elementary School would be doctrinally coherent. It's just that St Gianna's comparative obscurity suggests an organised agenda , at the very least to make a point, of which everyone is already aware.
She really isn't all that obscure. She may be unknown outside of Catholic circles but she's been growing in popularity within Catholic circles for the past 15 years or so. The same thing could be said of St. Maximilian Kolbe: relatively unknown among Non-Catholics but growing in popularity among Catholics for the past couple of decades; or for St. Pio of Petrelcina who is obscure among Non-Catholics but very popular in some Catholic circles.
Would you impute the same ulterior motives to the school if it chose to name itself in honor of St. Kateri Tekakwitha given Canada's history of mistreatment of its First Nations?
I hope this isn't what I call a stealth thread: ostensibly about one thing (naming the school) but really about another (dead horses).
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As to school funding, it's political kryptonite. Proposed expansion of sectarian funding was one thing that sunk John Tory when he was leader of the provincial Progressive Conservative Party. (There are competing accounts as to why he went down that road.) Elimination of funding would be equally politically toxic to its advocate.
The cynical interpretation there was that McGuinty was pandering to Islamophobia by dog-whistling against Muslim schools. I believe he was quoted from one of the debates as saying something to the effect that when he travels around the world, and people ask him why Ontario doesn't have the same kind of violence that you see in [a list of cities that had recently had Islamic-linked terrorist attacks], he tells them it's because Ontario only has one school system. Which is, of course, false, as they have Catholic schools.
On another matter, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the idea that people in other countries, upon meeting Canadian politicians, immediately start inquiring as to how Canada became such a raving success, is nothing more than nationalist BS. And that goes double for provincial premiers.
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Originally posted by Pancho:
[QUOTE]She really isn't all that obscure. She may be unknown outside of Catholic circles but she's been growing in popularity within Catholic circles for the past 15 years or so. The same thing could be said of St. Maximilian Kolbe: relatively unknown among Non-Catholics but growing in popularity among Catholics for the past couple of decades; or for St. Pio of Petrelcina who is obscure among Non-Catholics but very popular in some Catholic circles.
Would you impute the same ulterior motives to the school if it chose to name itself in honor of St. Kateri Tekakwitha given Canada's history of mistreatment of its First Nations?
I hope this isn't what I call a stealth thread: ostensibly about one thing (naming the school) but really about another (dead horses).
First, just to be clear, this isn't - or not intended to be - a stealth thread. It really is about the politics of school names.
I think put up against her "competition," St Gianna is St G the Obscure.
St Kateri Tekakwitha would have been a very interesting choice (I haven't seen the long list, she she may or may not have been on it), given that the First Nations population of the area is rapidly growing and urbanising. No saint, certainly relatively recent one, comes without some baggage. On the one hand, naming the school after her could be seen as an attempt on the part of the RCC as a gesture of reconciliation, while on the other it could be interpreted as yet another attempt to assimilate the FN cultures. Put that also in the context of persistent, casual racism in the area. Tough call.
Saints Maximilian Kolbe and Pio I would not consider to be obscure, but neither is a particularly inspired choice for an elementary school. I doubt that either has much local traction, even Pio with the large local Italian population. (In my casual observation, he has a much greater following in the Toronto area than in the north.)
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There has been for many years a school named for Blessed Kateri Takewitha in this area. I don't know whether the name has been fixed since she was canonized.
As her martyrdom came at the hands of a different group of First Nations from the one to which she belonged, her name is not likely to raise issues related to European treatment of first nations. Except, of course, that some would criticize the europeans for converting her to Christianity in the first place, thereby polluting the pure still waters of native spirituality. And by and large, victims of inter-tribal warfare are not highlighted by any group in Canadian society at the moment.
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I suppose it could depend on how the story is told. One could argue that the message of her story is that there are occasions when a termination may be justified if the life of the mother is at risk.
Or some people become doctors to make up for the failings of others.
Or the sole purpose of women is to give birth.
As so often, it is all about how the story is presented. If you have a problem with a particular version, make the alternative version public.
From what has been said, I don't think this is stealth teaching at all. But it could be used that way - for either a pro or anti message.
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I suppose it could depend on how the story is told. One could argue that the message of her story is that there are occasions when a termination may be justified if the life of the mother is at risk.
Or some people become doctors to make up for the failings of others.
Or the sole purpose of women is to give birth.
I would assume, though, that the reason she was canonized was that she refused to have an abortion, not because the circumstances of her pregnancy demonstated there are situations where termination is justified.
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If this thread starts to clop like a Dead Horse, neigh like a Dead Horse, and frisk its tail like a Dead Horse, it will be sent to Dead Horses.
Just sayin'.
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I would assume, though, that the reason she was canonized was that she refused to have an abortion, not because the circumstances of her pregnancy demonstated there are situations where termination is justified.
Her pregnancy is not mentioned by the Society of St Gianna in their "Path To Canonization" page. They have a long list of virtues, none directly connected with a particular pregnancy.
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I wouldn't say St. Maximillian Kolbe is particularly obscure. I once heard a sermon about him in a Methodist Church.
St. Gianna, I was aware of, but would not have been able to recall her name. IIRC, her situation is one where medical intervention would have beeb ethically licit under the doctrine of double effect - i.e. the destruction of the foetus/ unborn child would have been foreseen but unintended. The point of her canonisation is, I think, that she displayed heroic sanctity in her actions. She could have acted otherwise without sin. The Vatican, IIRC, does not routinely canonise women who refrain from abortion because, say, they are a bit strapped financially any more than they canonise people who refrain from other sins despite some temptation to act otherwise.
My own view is that abortion is an actual ethical dilemma which is different from that of the Catholic Church (it's a child, end of) or at least some pro-choice activists (it's a woman's right to choose, end of). So my feeling is that probably some people support it as a poke in people's eye and that some people support it because they think she is a saint. Regardless, I don't have a problem with it and the only reason, IMO, one could have a problem with it is if one thought that St. Gianna was suffering from false consciousness and should have had an abortion forthwith.
If it helps, I don't think that Pope Benedict thought that people who served in the German armed forces during World War II were all morally culpable for the atrocities committed by the Nazis - how could he, given his background, but he did canonise Franz Jagerstatter who refused to serve and was martyred for it. As I say, the point is he, and she, displayed heroic sanctity rather than doing enough to get by, as it were.
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From my passing acquaintance with governing bodies of RC primary schools, I would strongly imagine that the short list came from a whip round amongst the 5 or 6 teachers / parents present at the governors board which came up with the flyer sent round the parish / parents. Maybe one of those present has especial personal reason to honour the saint mentioned. If that fact were known at the board, they would be unlikely to say - 'no, leave that one off, let's put 'Our Lady's' forward instead'...
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Just to add another perspective, not all Catholic schools must be sainted, Blessed or othered.
I remember Gianna from my childhood. She was quite a cause celebre in the public press those days. If she has joined a list of acceptable names (being fairly recently canonised) all the more power to her.
In my neck of the woods, several schools had generic names: Pineview Catholic only recently became John Paul II. Another in the area became St Brother Andre, (a promotion within the ranks), There remain a few named outside the ranks. Thomas D'Arcy McGee, a Father of Canadian Confederation, who was assassinated by a Fenian sympathiser is one. The other is Lester B, Pearson, named after a then recently deceased former Prime Minister, whose views were distinctly non-Catholic and who was in turn, the son of a Methodist minister.
On the other side of the coin, a public elementary school was named after Vincent Massey, a former governor general. One of the local papers frequently referred to its sports teams as from St. Vincent Massey, which caused the gentleman (a stanch Protestant) endless amusement, according to his autobiography.
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In my neck of the woods, several schools had generic names: Pineview Catholic only recently became John Paul II. Another in the area became St Brother Andre, (a promotion within the ranks), There remain a few named outside the ranks. Thomas D'Arcy McGee, a Father of Canadian Confederation, who was assassinated by a Fenian sympathiser is one. The other is Lester B, Pearson, named after a then recently deceased former Prime Minister, whose views were distinctly non-Catholic and who was in turn, the son of a Methodist minister.
Interesting. In Edmonton, I don't recall any Catholic schools named after simple geographical areas(unless preceded by "Our Lady Of..."). There were schools named after people who weren't clerics and/or saints, but even then, I'm pretty sure the person in question had to be Catholic, eg. a high-school named after Louis St. Laurent.
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Several of the Francophone schools in my area have been named for RC individuals, not all being "famous".
Ecole Donat-Robichaud, in Cap Pele, names a Monseigneur well-known in the Acadian community for his work on genealogy.
Ecole Pere Edgar T. Leblanc is named for the cure of the parish of Grand Barachois between 1926 and 1962.
Polyvalent Clement Cormier, Ecole Dr-Marguerite-Michaud, Ecole Blanche Bourgeois, Ecole Camille Vautour, Ecole Monseigneur Francois Bourgeois, Polyvalent Louis J. Robichaud,... all commemorate the leaders of the Acadian community who helped vitalise that community against the negative pressure from the Anglophone community.
Apparently, one doesn't need Saints when positive influences are available! Amazingly, some of those positive influences are hierarchical church people.
Just to show an independent streak in naming, there are also schools named L'Odyssee, Ecole Mare Montante (Rising Tide), Ecole du Soleil Levant* (Sunrise School doesn't really have that poetic ring), Ecole Le Mascaret (Tidal Bore) along with a few remaining Saints.
* Soleil Levant actually looks across the salt water of the Gulf of St. Lawrence towards the rising sun
Is that enough pleasant trivia?
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Forgot to add: the names of these schools clearly have significant political overtones, although, now that the specific issue is fifty years past, the effect is somewhat muted.
Indeed, most Anglos have no idea that the political significance is there, just as they have no idea that the Francophones actually form a real community, rather than being a symbol of being "something we don't like much".
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While there are, I think, a few schools named after the late GG, Georges Vanier or his wife Pauline, they are just as likely to be public schools as part of the RC system. Their deep faith is not likely to have been the reason: his position as a revered GG probably was.
I don't hear of many RC schools named after actual canonized Canadian saints (apart from Kateri Takewitha, noted above) and a couple after Jean Brebeuf. But are things going to change when the Vaniers are canonized, as is expected within the next year or so?
(Canonized, that is, if the RC church can sort out whether the graves have to be publicly accessible, which they are not at the moment, being inside the regimental chapel of the Royal 22nd Regiment, which is inside the walls of an active Canadian army base and very much not publicly accessible.)
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... (Canonized, that is, if the RC church can sort out whether the graves have to be publicly accessible, which they are not at the moment, being inside the regimental chapel of the Royal 22nd Regiment, which is inside the walls of an active Canadian army base and very much not publicly accessible.) ...
Why should that affect a person's sanctity? Nobody is more holy or less so, less of an inspiration, or less able to intercede in heaven for those who ask their prayers because of where their grave is located.
Curiously, here, most Catholic VA schools and academies seem to be called after saints, but Catholic public schools like Stonyhurst and Downside are named after where they are like a lot of other public schools (Winchester, Eton, Marlborough etc).
Some seem to be called after the name of the order that runs or ran them.
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Originally posted by Horseman Bree:
[QB] Several of the Francophone schools in my area have been named for RC individuals, not all being "famous".
Yes, the RC schools in Edmonton aren't all named after famous people, either. The aforementioned Uncle Louis is about as illustrious as it gets for nomenclatural inspiration. (Apart from the saints)
My own high school was named after a local school bureaucrat, and a junior-high was recently named for one of my teachers, a justly beloved figure in local educational and theatrical circles.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Catholic public schools like Stonyhurst and Downside are named after where they are like a lot of other public schools (Winchester, Eton, Marlborough etc).
Bear in mind that a lot of public schools are no longer known by their real names. E.g. the Woodard Schools were originally "spiritually" named (E.g. Worksop College = St Cuthbert's College; Ardingly College = St Saviour's College; Hurstpierpoint = St John's College etc.)
Of the three Anglican schools you mention, that which we know as Winchester College is actually Collegium Sanctae Mariae prope Wintoniam - The College of St Mary near Winchester - and the oft-maligned "Eton" is really called The King’s College of Our Lady of Eton beside Windsor. Westminster School, as another example, is The Royal College of St. Peter at Westminster.
Stonyhurst College began as St Omer (and still has St Mary's Hall as its prep school), only changing when it finally settled in Stonyhurst. - St George's (Weybridge)
- St Bede's (Manchester)
- St Edmund's (Ware)
- St Benedict's (Ealing)
- St Columba's (St Alban's - but the name was already taken!)
are examples of the many RC public schools still to use patronal names. For the Anglicans try - St Edward's (Oxford)
- St Peter's (York)
- St Lawrence (Ramsgate)
- St John's (Leatherhead)
- St Dunstan's (Catford)
- St Edmund's (Canterbury).
The HMC alone contains three "St Mary's" and two of them are Roman. (In the Anglican Prep School world, there are two schools named St Hugh's - both named for a saint who didn't even exist!)
English public schools tended originally to take the name either of the saint who was their patron (St Peter's, York), of their founder (Alleyn's, Dulwich) or of the institution that founded them (Merchant Taylors', Northwood or Charterhouse - the Carthusian House). Hence Downside School began its life as Downside Abbey School, though it might well claim to be St Gregory's.)
The vast majority of "ancient" schools that we now know as "X Grammar School" were originally called simply "The Grammar School" and for the sake of convenience, "The Grammar School at X" became known as "X Grammar School". Naming schools solely after where they are there was something of a Victorian innovation.
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Wow, Misha -is this a...hobby? ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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I was unfortunate enough to be sent on an assisted place to 'Sir Anthony Browne's Schoole at Brentwoode'. I don't know if those extra 'e's are really there, but it felt like they ought to be. The whole thing reminds me now of the daft names people give to dogs they want to take to Crufts.
Meanwhile (clears throat, tunes up guitar, remembers how to play an 'F'), for Horseman Bree:
Il y a un ecole dans Canada
Il s'appelle, 'du Soleil Levant' ...
Can you tell I didn't use a translation program? ![[Smile]](smile.gif) EEh, that private education of mine still comes in handy, all these years later. You should hear me sing it in my Essex accent.
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Can you tell I didn't use a translation program?
Yes, because there's no back translation into English. Which board conventions here require, please.
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Originally posted by John Holding:
...(Canonized, that is, if the RC church can sort out whether the graves have to be publicly accessible, which they are not at the moment, being inside the regimental chapel of the Royal 22nd Regiment, which is inside the walls of an active Canadian army base and very much not publicly accessible.)
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Actually, you would be surprised to see how open most bases and especially chapels are now. The "gate" which always was an actual gate with a person or several mp's inside a hut is now a wide open vista with the mp's full headquarters building just inside. Almost anyone can drive on base now without a pass or being checked. It's a bizarre shift from the days of my youth when I had to have an ID card to get by the mp shack to go to swimming.
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It wasn't a good joke to start with, but needing to explain that my Franglais was meant to mean 'there is a school in Canada, they call the rising sun', pace (from yer atchul Latin, meaning 'with deference to' ) the Animals - when it probably doesn't mean that to anyone other than me, who attempted to translate it - really does kill it stone dead.
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Well, I enjoyed it, dear. It was the sort of joke that we Mancunians enjoy without worrying whether anybody from elsewhere understands/is amused by it (i.e. it need not be funny in or of itself; what matters is that it was there to be made and somebody made it. Bless you for that.)
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when it probably doesn't mean that to anyone other than me, who attempted to translate it - really does kill it stone dead.
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John Holding wrote: quote:
(Canonized, that is, if the RC church can sort out whether the graves have to be publicly accessible, which they are not at the moment, being inside the regimental chapel of the Royal 22nd Regiment, which is inside the walls of an active Canadian army base and very much not publicly accessible.)
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Why should that affect a person's sanctity? Nobody is more holy or less so, less of an inspiration, or less able to intercede in heaven for those who ask their prayers because of where their grave is located.
I think part of the reason is that a canonisation is not only a recognition of a person's sanctity, but also an authorisation of their official cultus. And normally, an important part of such cultus is for the tomb of the saint to be a place of pilgrimage, and for the relics of the saint to be available for the veneration of the faithful. (Obviously there are exceptions - the lack of a tomb has certainly not impeded the veneration of the Blessed Virgin.)
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Tobias has it.
In the particular case, the chapel in question is inside a walled fortress (the Citadelle de Quebec), to which public access is specifically restricted. The chapel is considered the private domain of the Regiment, and access to any but members of the regiment (and, I suppose, persons higher in the chain of command) is very carefully controlled. It is a unique situation.
I should add that the regiment is very protective of its most honoured commander, and is highly unlikely (being QUebcois but not particularly Catholic) to look with favour on any move by the church totry to force longer visitng hours or to move the bodies.
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Look, you've all missed the point of this thread.
There is a Canadian politician called John Tory who was at one time leader of a conservative party in that country.
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Please tell me that his deputy was John Bull.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Kateri is very popular here, with about a dozen Canadian schools dedicated to her. Pretty well all of the Canadian Martyrs (Jogues, Lalemant, etc) have lots of schools named after them although Brébeuf in Montréal, alma mater of the Trudeaux, is perhaps the best-known. Double-checking on this, I found that Antoine Daniel was among them, and I had never heard of them.
Marguerite Bourgeoys, Mère Youville, and Marie de l'Incarnation (known to an historian of my acquaintance as the badass nun saints) all are well-represented. Louis Riel who, depending on your point of view, is a madman, martyr, saint, or justly-hanged rebel has several schools, including one in Ottawa's suburban Blackburn Hamlet.
There are relatively few Anglican dedications, it having been assumed that all public schools (non-RC) would be Anglican by default unless the Methodists or Presbyterians were too numerous to permit it (as was usually the case), so we really only have Bishop Stewart, Bishop Strachan, and Selwyn. Although a former colleague (Antiochian by affiliation) believes that Miss Edgar and Miss Cramp are saints.
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
There are relatively few Anglican dedications, it having been assumed that all public schools (non-RC) would be Anglican by default unless the Methodists or Presbyterians were too numerous to permit it (as was usually the case), so we really only have Bishop Stewart, Bishop Strachan, and Selwyn. Although a former colleague (Antiochian by affiliation) believes that Miss Edgar and Miss Cramp are saints.
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Really? Assumed by whom?
The Rev. Egerton Ryerson might turn in his grave....
Which brings me to the United Church's favorite educational dedication, for both eccesiastic and scholastic purposes.
As I always say, it's a straight line between Public Education, the Social Gospel and the United Church.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
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Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
There are relatively few Anglican dedications, it having been assumed that all public schools (non-RC) would be Anglican by default unless the Methodists or Presbyterians were too numerous to permit it (as was usually the case), so we really only have Bishop Stewart, Bishop Strachan, and Selwyn. Although a former colleague (Antiochian by affiliation) believes that Miss Edgar and Miss Cramp are saints.
Really? Assumed by whom?
The Rev. Egerton Ryerson might turn in his grave....
Which brings me to the United Church's favorite educational dedication, for both eccesiastic and scholastic purposes.
As I always say, it's a straight line between Public Education, the Social Gospel and the United Church.
By the Anglicans, of course, but as I note, they were in error on account of the naked demographics of it all.
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That's very Ontario of you. The non-RC schools in the west are named for neighbourhoods, or town, dead school board members and other politicians, with a growing tendency to join them up with sponsored recreation facilities. I suspect we'll see them named for the sponsors eventually, much as the trend to name business schools at the post secondary level has done. Unless SPK is successful in re-energizing the SoGo, we reclaim public space and facilities, and we can tax the buggers properly like we did 50 years ago.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
That's very Ontario of you. The non-RC schools in the west are named for neighbourhoods, or town, dead school board members and other politicians, with a growing tendency to join them up with sponsored recreation facilities.*snip*
As continues to be in Ontario, as there are very few private schools around-- most efforts to establish them fold when parents find out how much they cost and that there is no provincial funding coming.
In Ottawa, of the public (non-RC) board, 109 schools have geographical names, 24 are named after educators or administrators, and 36 of public figures (2 queens, 9 governors general, 1 prime minister, 4 writers, 5 artists, some scientists and Sir Winston Churchill).
The curious might be interested that of the RC schools (supported by RC ratepayers), 16 are dominical (Sacred Heart, Assumption etc), 57 are of saints, 5 are administrators/educators, and 5 are geographical. One is named after a governor-general (General Vanier, soon to be a blessed), two of prime ministers (Laurier and the non-practising Methodist Pearson), and another of our sole assassinated politician, D'Arcy McGee.
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