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Thread: Trans teens vs. parents re transition
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Golden Key
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"Why a Minn. mom is suing her transgender teen and the clinic that gave her hormones." (Wash. Post)
Estranged mom of 17 year old trans girl is suing the girl and everyone else in creation for not being included in the decision-making.
Teens in that state who are emancipated can make decisions for themselves, but the legal situation is complicated. Plus this has interrupted the girl changing her name, and continuing the process. Big mess.
So a couple of questions:
--Should trans teens be legally allowed to make transition decisions for themselves?
--Should parents/guardians be included, by law?
--Does the kid's age make a big difference? Should they have to wait until, say, age 21 to be legally eligible to make their own decisions about transitioning?
--What if the parents/guardians don't care about the kid, or don't have the child's best interests at heart? (I don't particularly mean whether or not they're trans-friendly.)
--What if the parents/guardians truly DO care, but the kid doesn't want them involved?
I'm not pushing any particular agenda--though I do know personally about estranged relatives showing up and causing trouble. So, in this particular case, my sympathies are more with the girl. But I also realize that, with all the best will in the world, from all parties, it must be a really fraught situation.
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Nicolemr
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I think if it's really true the kid was living on her own for all that time and the mother despite knowing where she was made no effort to reconcile whatever differences they had had, or at the very least to offer material support, then the mother has very little right to complain about the kid making her own medical decisions.
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Gee D
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This seems a highly speculative action, brought about by the common inability in the US for a successful litigant (in this case the numerous defendants) to obtain payment of at least a portion of their legal costs from the unsuccessful one.
I cannot now remember whether the age at which a person can consent here to such an operation is 16 or 18. As a child cannot consent to marriage until a18 (nor can a parent) that is probably the relevant age below which court approval must be sought.
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Golden Key
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Gee D--
Maybe, re speculative action. It may also be a parent (concerned, confused, disapproving, furious, mean, control freak, etc.) lashing out. Or she may simply want a pay day.
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Net Spinster
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quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
This seems a highly speculative action, brought about by the common inability in the US for a successful litigant (in this case the numerous defendants) to obtain payment of at least a portion of their legal costs from the unsuccessful one.
I cannot now remember whether the age at which a person can consent here to such an operation is 16 or 18. As a child cannot consent to marriage until a18 (nor can a parent) that is probably the relevant age below which court approval must be sought.
In Minnesota the lower bound for marriage is 16 (with parental consent) but generally those married are considered effectively emancipated. Minnesota apparently doesn't have a general way of emancipating minors but does allow those who have become estranged from the parents and making their own financial decisions to make their own medical decisions. I note that the daughter back in June 2015 stated that she had been living on her own for more than 6 months and working two jobs and going to school and that her mother knew where she was and was making no attempt to get her back. By now that means she has been living on her own for about 2 years. One hopes for her own sake she isn't too far from 18.
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Gee D
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Gee D--
Maybe, re speculative action. It may also be a parent (concerned, confused, disapproving, furious, mean, control freak, etc.) lashing out. Or she may simply want a pay day.
No idea at all about Minnesota law or legal procedures. From what the linked article says, there seems an almost zero case against many of those named. If I were acting for them in an action here, I'd be applying to the court for summary dismissal.
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Liopleurodon
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From what I understand about this case, the kid and the mother are not on speaking terms, and this case is not really about gender transition. It seems to be testing the water for clamping down on minors' access to abortion.
As for my opinion: none of the mother's business. You don't own your children and you don't own their bodies.
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Qualitative 'data' seems to outweigh quantitative doesn't it when it comes to the general concept, wish, identity of trans. Notwithstanding that suing the child is ridiculous, I am reminded of the due diligence that was lacking when the daycare child abuse and false memory syndrome issues were prominent. Proponents and antagonists neither had decent evidence on the side of their ideas. Do they now with the trans issue?
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