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Thread: Hell: Crappy Choruses and Horrible Hymns
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Ann
Curious
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I've never felt quite the same way about 'Colours of Day' since ot was mentioned on either Signs and Blunders or a Church Music themed thread on the very original SoF boards as a song requested at a cremation.
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Newman's Own
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Of course, bad music added to misplaced modifiers always did trouble me. I remember a song from the 1960s, which lots of people seemed to love, called "Hear, O Lord."The first verse was "Every night before I sleep, I pray my soul to take; or else I pray that loneliness is gone when I awake." Difficult though loneliness is, I am not inclined to think one would pray to die tonight rather than be lonely tomorrow. Now, many of you may have been spared this one, unless you were in Roman parishes c. 1965 that were desperate for music that required only four guitar chords, but, in parishes that used it, this horrid gem, which had about 16 verses (I'll quote a few if I can remember them), was greatly loved. Refrain: Sons of God, hear his holy word, Gather round the table of the Lord, Eat his body, drink his blood, And we'll sing a song of love, Allelu, allelu, allelu, allelu-ia. Brothers, sisters, we are one, And our lives have just begun, In the Spirit, we are young, We can live forever. (I have my reservations about the theology here, which I shall be happy to photocopy for anyone interested.) With the Church we celebrate, Jesus' coming we await, So we make a holiday, So we'll live forever. If we want to live with Him, We must also die with Him, Die to selfishness and sin, And we'll rise forever. I think the same composer wrote the absolute bottom of the barrel, "Shout from the Highest Mountain," and "Here We Are," the latter of which was something like this: Refrain: Here we are, all together as we sing our song joyfully. Here we are, joined together as we pray we'll always be. Join me now as friends, and celebrate the brotherhood we share, all as one. Keep the fire burning, kindle it with care, As we all join in and sing. Freedom we do shout, for everybody, And unless there is, we should pray, That soon there will be one true brotherhood, Let us all join in and sing. Let us make the world an alleluia, Let us make the world a better place, Keep a smile handy, have a helping hand, And we'll all join in and sing. ...As a serious musician, who really had hopes for the RC liturgy at the time, I often hoped that there were at least a few cases in history where lex orandi, lex credendi did not automatically apply. It was when I found that was indeed a universal truth that I embraced the C of E
-------------------- Cheers, Elizabeth “History as Revelation is seldom very revealing, and histories of holiness are full of holes.” - Dermot Quinn
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Ian Climacus
Liturgical Slattern
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Newman's Own, interesting song indeed.Dare I say I have remembered another. For some reason it gave me images of people waving flags: Joy is the flag flown high in the castle of my heart (last line * 2) Joy is the flag flown high in the castle of my heart When the King is in residence there. We were always encouraged to clap along also (I never did; and was once approached by the worship leader coming down the aisle clapping, and giving me the "C'mon, clap!" look and motion.) If someone could give me nightmares and tell me the chorus I'd be forever in hell.
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dyfrig
Blue Scarfed Menace
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You do seem to have suffered more than the rest of us on this issue, Newman. I shall pray for you.
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saxineno
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My most hated modern song is by the wonderful Robin Mark, and I'm sure it was only written to prove he could do more dodgy symbolism than he did in "days of Elijah", it's called "house of the Lord" and it goes as follows...There's a house on a hill and it hasn't Been lived in for a long long time. And the windows are all broken, And the paint has lost its shine. And there's nothing ever heard there, For there's nothing ever said. For the life of the house left a long time ago And the heart of the house is dead. O House of the Lord, can't you feel it How our heart is growing cold For when the Spirit comes He quickens But when the Spirit leaves, life goes. It goes on to explain the different rooms of this house. My friends tell me I'm just not looking deep enough, I just think it's stupid symbolism.
I remember an old favourite from infant school. "I have seen the golden sunshine I have watched the flowers grow, I have listened to the songbirds and there's something now I know, they were all put there for us to share by someone so devine, and if you're a friend of jesus (clap clap clap clap clap) you're a friend of mine" Worse thing is I know I used to like this song! Sax
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Lyra
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# 267
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quote: Originally posted by Admiral Holder: Lyra,I suppose thinking about it the words it is not such a bad song...quite pleasant in fact. I suppose what made it hellish was the way it was sung. People had their heads down, it was sung at a very VERY slow pace, and after singing this song (often towards the end of the service) people would often walk out without so much as a 'Hello'. Kind of grated on me that a song about serving invoked such an un-serving reaction. Perhaps I should take that song off the Hellish list.
Extremely gracious of you, and much appreciated. There are few songs I would defend strongly, but this is sure one of them! I can, however, understand your feelings at the rendition described, and you have my full sympathy
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Newman's Own
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I must be in my dotage (..or merely reflecting on the sad situation of one who spends Saturday posting on an Internet message board), but two more gems popped into my mind, again from the charismatic days.I don't know the words to this one, but it was something like, "I saw the light, I saw the light, praise the Lord, I saw the light!" It was really rather dreadful, but the melody was terribly catchy - just writing this here will ensure I hum it for two days, though the single time I heard it sung must have been a quarter of a century ago. Also in the "dreadful but horribly catchy" category: "I Am the Bread of Life." It had many verses, but the refrain was, "And I will raise him up, and I will raise him up, and I will raise him up on the last day."
-------------------- Cheers, Elizabeth “History as Revelation is seldom very revealing, and histories of holiness are full of holes.” - Dermot Quinn
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Bishop Joe
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# 527
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Does anyone remember the scene in the movie "Heathers" where the girl who had been poisoned complained that in Heaven they made them sing "Kum Bay Yah" all the time?
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Nunc Dimittis
Seamstress of Sound
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I am trying to imagine "We will rock you" as a fantasia and toccata, tomb. Puts good Ol'JSB to shame!
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Benedictus
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tomb, I appeal to you; you obviously have a wide liturgical musical experience, you and your organ. Have you ever heard the Doxology done to the tune of "Hernando's Hideaway"?
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Newman's Own
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# 420
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I honestly had not realised, until I read this thread (and for all of my extensive exposure to terrible music), that weird secular songs were being used for worship! Or even that some of the songs described were considered "religious" at all - had I read that "drop kick" one somewhere, I would have thought it was a (rather nasty) joke.Of course, one must always expect the unexpected, especially in parishes which care only about "getting the people involved," regardless of whether person A has any knowledge of what he is doing. Years ago, there was a parish where I served where the substitute organist had an incredible memory for any melody she heard, and the ability to reproduce exactly what she heard (up to a symphony) on the organ. Trouble was, she did not remember where she heard the tune or what lyrics it may have. I remember well when, during Communion one Sunday, I heard her improvising "Musetta's Waltz."
-------------------- Cheers, Elizabeth “History as Revelation is seldom very revealing, and histories of holiness are full of holes.” - Dermot Quinn
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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quote: Originally posted by Benedictus: But what has to be one of the ultimate worst is that thing, called, I believe, "Alleluia", which has one of the dreariest tunes in Christendom, and the lyrics to the first verse are "Alleluia"(repeated 8 times). I think one of the other verses has the words "Jesus loves me" (repeated 8 times).
I agree that the tune can sound dreary, but it doesn't have to. When that song is sung in a lively manner, it's quite nice. Another hymn which can sound dreary is Alleluia, alleluia give thanks to the risen Lord. A friend of mine was in church with her ten-year-old son once, when that was played like a dirge. He learned over and said to her, "Are we singing about Jesus's death or his resurrection?" Moo
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the famous rachel
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quote: Originally posted by Newman's Own:
Can we all promise not to play either "Let There be Peace on Earth" (which I once heard beautifully described as sounding like roller skating music)
This can be dreadful, but it can also be beautiful. It was a favourite of the headmaster of my junior school. After his untimely death, it was sung beautifully by the junior school choir (I was older by this time) at his memorial service and was, in context, very moving.
Sorry to be soppy... Rachel. [fixed UBB code] [ 23 September 2001: Message edited by: tomb ]
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Warden
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quote: Jesus was always so kind He brought love everywhere.
The rest of the words deserve a very thick veil drawn over them But these two lines are so fatuous. Jesus wasn't always so kind. "Yes, of course, just carry on selling those doves, and changing money at exhorbitant rates"? I don't think so. Perhaps there's room for another crappy chorus, "Jesus was always so kind When it really mattered" Where's the gin...?
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
# 473
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did anyone else have to suffer the embarassing indignities of being asked to sing 'Christian' versions of 'The Wombles of Wimbledon Common are we' and 'Coke - it's the real thing!' I can't remember the words now, thank goodness, just that they were pretty naff.
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tomb
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# 174
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LMC, I rather like that, and will appropriate it the next time we use it. Speaking of African Marching Songs, there was one that came out of East Africa about 15 years ago, "We have another world in view." I made the mistake of programing it one time when the Bishop was making a visitation, and he fell in love with the damn thing. He took it and made it sort of the unofficial diocesan theme song for a couple of years. I remember one year at diocesan convention when he was inflicting it on the assembled (with attribution to me, of course, damn him), and a priest walked over to me and said, "I don't think I'll ever forgive you for this." Ah, well, win a few; lose a few. tomb
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