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Source: (consider it) Thread: Hell: the importance of pedantism
lanky_badger
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Perhaps we should say that those with no command over words should not have permission to represent The Word?

Just an idea ...

[ 10. March 2003, 00:31: Message edited by: Erin ]

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Amos

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It's pedantry, not pedantism, you big dummy! [Mad]

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Chesterbelloc

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Perhaps we should only allow people to start threads who know how to avoid tripping over their own arses - for their own sake, of course.

Try: PEDANTRY

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Pyx_e

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mmmmmm give me a hug over a thousand words. It seems a hug represents the Word more than most words I hear.

And what is all this permission crap? Waht do you mean?

P

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quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
And what is all this permission crap? Waht do you mean?

P

Pixie, the recognised spelling of 'what' is 'what'. In a thread about pedantry it is really important to spell things correctly.

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Firenze

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And what about those of us whose style combines the happiest elements of Wilde, Chesterfield, Johnson, Donne, Austen and SJ Perlman? But who do not pretend to any relationship to the Logos? Where do we fit in this heavenly licensing scheme?

Librettists, I suppose, for all the best tunes...

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lanky_badger
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i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool.

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quote:
Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
And what is all this permission crap? Waht do you mean?

P

Pixie, the recognised spelling of 'what' is 'what'. In a thread about pedantry it is really important to spell things correctly.

If you need any help in the future, just mail me, ok?

And the recognised name of Pyx_e is 'Pyx_e'. In a thread about pedantry, it is really important to spell names correctly.

[Devil]

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Moo

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quote:
Originally posted by lanky_badger:
i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool.

Welcome to the club. [Big Grin]

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lanky_badger
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I've created a Monster.

Well, not really. Just gave it a jump-start.

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Spike

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quote:
Originally posted by lanky_badger:
i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool. i am such a fool.

It's "I" not "i"

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IntellectByProxy

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quote:
Originally posted, humourously, by IBP:

Pixie, the recognised spelling...

quote:
To which was replied, betraying worring lack of wit, by rhisiart:

And the recognised name of Pyx_e is 'Pyx_e'. In a thread about pedantry, it is really important to spell names correctly.
[Devil]

In a thread about pedantry one is allowed to amusingly alter a person's name to bring down on their worthy head derision and scorn. Which is what I did.

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quote:
Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
And what is all this permission crap? Waht do you mean?

P

Pixie, the recognised spelling of 'what' is 'what'. In a thread about pedantry it is really important to spell things correctly.

If you need any help in the future, just mail me, ok?

Waht, n.
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In a thread about pedantry, it is vital to differentiate between a typo, and an obscure but impressively apt word. [Disappointed]

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chukovsky

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It is also vital, dear Ham, to distinguish between a nasalised vowel (as in "hand", phonetically /hãd/, or the French for bread, phonetically /pã/) and a non-nasalised consonant, as in your name.

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chukovsky

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And not to forget the difference between consonants and vowels; it is the vowel in Ham that is not nasalised.

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ChrisT

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quote:
Originally posted by chukovsky:
And not to forget the difference between consonants and vowels; it is the vowel in Ham that is not nasalised.

Should that be "which is not nasalised"?

Long live pedantism, and pedantics worldwide!

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IntellectByProxy

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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisT:
quote:
Originally posted by chukovsky:
And not to forget the difference between consonants and vowels; it is the vowel in Ham that is not nasalised.

Should that be "which is not nasalised"?

Long live pedantism, and pedantics worldwide!

No, ChrisT, it should not. The correct form is either 'it is the cat that is not here' or 'it is the cat, which is not here'.

It depends on whether the fact that the cat is not here is vital to your understanding of the sentence ('that'), or purely incidental information about the lovable pet(', which').

In this case the vowel not being nasalised was vital, and so you use the 'that' form rather than the ', which' form.

Stupid boy.

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Father Gregory

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Whenever I feel that my blood pressure could do with a little elevation I recite this to myself ...

It is important to completely [Mad] specify how the program may be accessed [Mad] and what inputs [Mad] one must be prepared with [Mad] .

Go on! Tell me you don't see anything wrong with that! [Mad]

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IntellectByProxy

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quote:
Originally posted by Fr. Gregory:
Whenever I feel that my blood pressure could do with a little elevation I recite this to myself ...

It is important to completely [Mad] specify how the program may be accessed [Mad] and what inputs [Mad] one must be prepared with [Mad] .

Go on! Tell me you don't see anything wrong with that! [Mad]

What on earth are you going on about FrG?

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Pyx_e

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At last we see a side to Fr G we always suspected was there.

P

Pedantry is mostly important to pendants.

[Not worthy!] H & E

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quote:
Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
quote:
Originally posted, humourously, by IBP:

Pixie, the recognised spelling...

quote:
To which was replied, betraying worring lack of wit, by rhisiart:

And the recognised name of Pyx_e is 'Pyx_e'. In a thread about pedantry, it is really important to spell names correctly.
[Devil]

In a thread about pedantry one is allowed to amusingly alter a person's name to bring down on their worthy head derision and scorn. Which is what I did.

Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but it is a favourite of mine.

For Fr Gregory's sake: surely "Which is what I did" is not a proper sentence?

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chukovsky

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If you are British, you can use the relative pronoun that you prefer, or the relative pronoun which you prefer. It is only if you are from North America, and labouring under an oppressive government, that you are restricted to using the relative pronoun that is approved by the grammar fascists.

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Don't be provocative IbP, of course you can see what's wrong with it! There's little flaming smileys all over it, that's what's wrong with it!
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Where is tomb?

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Father Gregory

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Grammatical Pedants of the World Unite ... you have nothing to lose but the lazy slobs who know neither how to speak nor write!

I embedded in my sentence ...

a split infinitive
a noun transformed into a verb
an illicit plural form
an ending preposition

It should read ...

It is important to specify completely how access may be granted to the program and the input with which one must be prepared.

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IntellectByProxy

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Damn it, I pick people up on all of these things and didn't spot them because I was too busy looking at the [Mad] 's. I feel suitable chagrin and am going to go quickly home and reflect on my inadequacy as a pedant.

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IntellectByProxy

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bollocksbollocksbollocksbollocksbollocks.

Ignore the apostrophised intended plural of [Mad] and also change 'suitable chagrin' to 'suitably chagrin'

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Smudgie

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You wrote it correctly the first time, IbP. Chagrin is indeed a noun, (or less commonly a transitive verb) but not an adjective.

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Pyx_e

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...... oh I get it, this is just another of those stupid word games.

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Stoo

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Mr Badger, may I congratulate you at making me laugh out loud?

At you, of course, you realise.

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Raspberry Rabbit

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Fr Gregory writes:

quote:

Whenever I feel that my blood pressure could do with a little elevation I recite this to myself ...

It is important to completely specify how the program may be accessed and what inputs one must be prepared with .

Go on! Tell me you don't see anything wrong with that!

Well other than a split infinitive and a dangling participle I'm not sure what it means.

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This is the sort of grammar up with which I will not put

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Raspberry Rabbit

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I meant 'ending with a preposition' not 'dangling participle'. Sorry - my mouth was full of peanut butter, my fingers are thawing out after a long walk home in sub-zero weather and I was momentarily distracted by a seagull smashing into the window.

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Raspberry Rabbit

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I'm a stupid fart and have lost my right to post to the ship.

RR
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
And what about those of us whose style combines the happiest elements of Wilde, Chesterfield, Johnson, Donne, Austen and SJ Perlman?...

You omitted the serial comma, dearie. It should be "...Donne, Austen, and SJ Perlman...." Unless, of course, you are some lazy journalistic slut subscribing to the AP stylesheet who can't be bothered, and we'd never believe that of you. No, never!

And note that elipsis is three dots and never includes the terminal punctuation. If the sentence ends in a period, then obviously, there are four dots. But if a question mark or (God forbid!) an exclamation point, then only three dots are necessary.

Do not dismiss this Good Advice. Remember, at some point in your life, There.Will.Be.A.Test.

Love,

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mousethief

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The prohibition against the split infinitive is an antiquated rule based on the sexual inadequacies of a number of Latin scholars who were incensed that the English language should be able to do something that the Latin could not.

As such it is not pedantry but jealousy, and no part of a true pedant's arsenal.

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quote:
Originally posted by Raspberry Rabbit:
I'm a stupid fart and have lost my right to post to the ship.

RR
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That will be the "Ship", not a singular but unidentified ship, I take it.

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Ham'n'Eggs

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quote:
chukovsky mumbled something that escaped my attention:
Yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Yadda.

When you have mastered the capitalisation of proper names, then I may find it worth engaging with what you have to say.

I said "may".

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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by tomb:
You omitted the serial comma, dearie. It should be "...Donne, Austen, and SJ Perlman...."

I think if you have a problem with my version (no comma before 'and') you need to take it up with Miss 'Ma' Reid, primary school teacher, fl. Belfast, c. 1958.

I expect the usage pre-dates the AP (and probably the AV). Oh, and try that 'journalistic slut' line on her and you'll be Kept In until half four doing extra sums (as best you can with your little hot swollen fingers and the mingled tears and snot adding to the blots from your scratchy-nibbed pen).

[Preview post is a pedant's best friend.]

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Firenze

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That should be no of course.
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Smudgie

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I won't mention the absence of a comma before the words "of course", Firenze.

This is because I agree with you when you state that there should not be a comma between the penultimate item in a list and the word "and".

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Mr. Spouse

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quote:
Originally posted by Smudgie:
This is because I agree with you when you state that there should not be a comma between the penultimate item in a list and the word "and".

quote:
Originally posted by tomb:
Unless, of course, you are some lazy journalistic slut subscribing to the AP stylesheet who can't be bothered, and we'd never believe that of you. No, never!

nor before 'and' when used to link two phrases. If you need a pause use a semi-colon or dash...(.)

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Smudgie

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quote:
Originally posted by madferret:
quote:
Originally posted by Smudgie:
This is because I agree with you when you state that there should not be a comma between the penultimate item in a list and the word "and".

quote:
Originally posted by tomb:
Unless, of course, you are some lazy journalistic slut subscribing to the AP stylesheet who can't be bothered, and we'd never believe that of you. No, never!

nor before 'and' when used to link two phrases. If you need a pause use a semi-colon or dash...(.)

[Killing me]

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Moth

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This thread is full comments from people too dim to know when it is raining hard enough for it to be worth coming in out of from.

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quote:
Originally posted by Rhisiart:
And the recognised name of Pyx_e is 'Pyx_e'. In a thread about pedantry, it is really important to spell names correctly.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction may have been all the rage when the Authorized Version was translated, but it is hardly suitable for the first decade of the third millennium.
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chukovsky

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quote:
Originally posted by Moth:
This thread is full comments from people too dim to know when it is raining hard enough for it to be worth coming in out of from.

[Not worthy!] [Not worthy!]

I've never understood the obsession with avoiding prepositions at the end of a sentence at the expense of clarity.

(though maybe you want to reconsider the last "from"? It seems redundant to me)

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Garden Hermit
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I can't see any comments about the joys of walking anywhere. Has someone mis-read the title ?

Maybe you all think its to do with having a Gold Chain hung round your neck ?

Or maybe the belief in infant baptism ?

Its obviously all about walking slowly so that you don't miss anything. It is also what Child specialists practise in Hospitals.

It is not as some newspapers believe the taking of child photos either.

In fact I'm writing this note slowly so that I don't fuddle my mucking worms.

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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by anglicanrascal:
Starting a sentence with a conjunction may have been all the rage when the Authorized Version was translated, but it is hardly suitable for the first decade of the third millennium.

And what exactly has transpired since 1611 to invalidate this construction?
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anglicanrascal
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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by anglicanrascal:
Starting a sentence with a conjunction may have been all the rage when the Authorized Version was translated, but it is hardly suitable for the first decade of the third millennium.

And what exactly has transpired since 1611 to invalidate this construction?
Hast thou no idea?
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hatless

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Difficult child, about to get a bed-time story, protests:

'What did you bring that book to read to me out of up for?'

Parent goes down and chooses another, about Australia:

'What did you bring that book to read to me about down under out of up for?'

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Amos

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It's S.J. Perelman. Not 'Perlman'. Honestly. Some people. [Wink]

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