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I agree. I think it's high time this thread was reformed.
/AB goes off to find some nails and a hammer
/erm, and a cathedral door
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Originally posted by Jimi Kendricks:
Robert Miller - I bow in awe at your presence.
Are you trying to lose this thing??
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Originally posted by Eanswyth:
More Protestant than Wood? Saints preserve us! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) (crosses herself) Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I'm more Protestant than Saint Theresa of Avila. Does that count? ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
The aim is to get a good score, Eanswyth. Wanna try again? You are currently at about -17.
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Originally posted by Lyda Rose of Sharon:
Actually, if you are really Protestant you don't need no stinkin' images. *Godless idolators* do they even know what avatars *are*? Some heathen nonsense, if you ask me...mutter-mutter... ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
Lyda Rose of Sharon: Excellent post. +5 points. However, I am regrettably forced to deduct 10 points for your failure to reform your life to your doctrine.
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Originally posted by Rowen:
I think I am incredibly Protestant.
<snip>
Good litle Protestant me! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Umm, Rowen, angel... you are a minister of the Uniting Church of Australia, which is so liberal that it is probably right where that heresiarch J*ck $p*ng would be working should Australia be so unfortunate as to count him among her citizenry. Nice try, but no dice.
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) I killed it.
That wasn't your intention??
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Originally posted by Jenny Ann:
I have decided that there is too much fun going on on this thread. I think, therefore, you are all much less protestant than the rest of the ship, who haven't participated in this thread.
Fun? Fun?? FUN??? This isn't about fun. This is about sorting the wheat from the weeks, I'll have you know.
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Originally posted by AB:
I agree. I think it's high time this thread was reformed.
/AB goes off to find some nails and a hammer
/erm, and a cathedral door
You touch my Cathedral's door with your filthy little hammer and I'll implant it in you so firmly that Jack the Ripper couldn't find it! ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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My dear friend, you are sooo wrong about me! In our monthly denominational newspaper, they look at the current discussions on the Anglican-UCA ministry and mutual recognition in Australia. And they note that the UCA would need bishops if there were to be full recognition, and that the UCA has a bit of a "thing" about bishops... And I went "hmmmmm.... We are soooo Protestant that we would rather eat brussel sprouts than have bishops". (I chose sprouts as my analogy, because I don't like them!) Anyway, the crux of the matter is that I am soooo liberally Protestant that I just about fall off the scale.
Plus, I have short curly hair, am female, and wear Docs... and if that doesn't make me a Protestant UCA clergy, I don't know what else would!
What would you know about it, dearie? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
You are just jealous of the deep Protestant relationship scz and I share because of our Presbyterian roots!
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Originally posted by anglicanrascal:
You touch my Cathedral's door with your filthy little hammer and I'll implant it in you so firmly that Jack the Ripper couldn't find it!
anglicanrascal: -10 pts, fits of rage (Galatians 5:19-20).
Live by the sword...
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Originally posted by AB:
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Originally posted by anglicanrascal:
You touch my Cathedral's door with your filthy little hammer and I'll implant it in you so firmly that Jack the Ripper couldn't find it!
anglicanrascal: -10 pts, fits of rage (Galatians 5:19-20).
Ps 69:9!
Who made you judge, bucko? Matthew 7:1!!
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Anglicanrascal,
Liberals can be the most protestant people in proper protestant churches. Just because the liberals in your own denomination like rubbing bums with the RCs does not mean that we're all like that. If you cared to actually read the material on my website you may find it most interesting - of a nature you had never considered before. I'm most certainly a protestant, but I protest at anything I find which is unjust in any church - protestant or otherwise.
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Originally posted by anglicanrascal:
Who made you judge, bucko? Matthew 7:1!!
I see your Matthew 7:1 and raise* you 1 Corinthians 5:12
* GAMBLING IS SINFUL!
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But I trump you both with the following Protestant terms....
moderator, assembly, Lord's Supper, memorial, 45 minute sermon, Elder!
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Originally posted by Rowen:
But I trump you both with the following Protestant terms....
moderator, assembly, Lord's Supper, memorial, 45 minute sermon, Elder!
If you are an elder and the husband of only one wife, I will grant you 3 Protesant Points.
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Originally posted by anglicanrascal:
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Originally posted by Jimi Kendricks:
Robert Miller - I bow in awe at your presence.
Are you trying to lose this thing??
Eek. Undone by an Anglican.
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Originally posted by Strathclydezero:
Notably we hold true to the Westminster Confession, approved by the Kirk's General Assembly in 1647 as "most orthodox and grounded upon the word of God", which denounces the pope as the anti-christ.
I think you'll find you've back-slid from this position, actually...
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This Church no longer affirms the following contents of the Westminster Confession of Faith:
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He (the Pope of Rome) is Antichrist, that Man of Sin and Son of Perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.
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This Church therefore dissociates itself from the above statements and does not require its office-bearers to believe them.
(Declaratory Act Anent the Westminster Confession of Faith, 21st May 1986)
How many points do you lose for not having left in protest at this apostasy?
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And now, my little Anglican friend, whilst admitting defeat in the trumping, I can prove my allegiance to Protestantism by my commitment to an incredible document, known as-
The Basis of Union (of the Uniting Church in Australia)
What have you to say to this? It contains such Protestant logic as this:
"10. REFORMATION WITNESSES
The Uniting Church continues to learn of the teaching of the Holy Scriptures in the obedience and freedom of faith, and in the power of the
promised gift of the Holy Spirit, from the witness of the Reformers as expressed in various ways in the Scots Confession of Faith (1560), the Heidelberg Catechism (1563), the Westminster Confession of Faith (1647), and the Savoy Declaration (1658).
In like manner the Uniting Church will listen to the preaching of John Wesley in his Forty-Four Sermons (1793). It will commit its ministers and instructors to study these statements, so that the
congregation of Christ’s people may again and again be reminded of the grace which justifies
them through faith, of the centrality of the person and work of Christ the justifier, and of the need for a constant appeal to Holy Scripture."
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Originally posted by Rowen:
the witness of the Reformers as expressed in various ways in the Scots Confession of Faith (1560), the Heidelberg Catechism (1563), the Westminster Confession of Faith (1647), and the Savoy Declaration (1658).
In like manner the Uniting Church will listen to the preaching of John Wesley in his Forty-Four Sermons (1793).
Westminster and Wesley? Calvinists and Arminians?
Now where did I hear of a church that could hold both those ideas at the same time?
Oh, I remember now...
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Originally posted by Rowen:
And now, my little Anglican friend, whilst admitting defeat in the trumping, I can prove my allegiance to Protestantism by my commitment to an incredible document, known as-
The Basis of Union (of the Uniting Church in Australia)
Whaaat??? All UCA ministers have to say they agree to that??? ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
How many of them do that with a straight face?
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I can't believe you thought Rome had everything to do with my surname I secretly pm'd you, AngRasc. Daaaannnnggg.
Well, at least I gots the Scottish Pres. thing ala John Knox going on with the Indian killed off side, read it and weep...and try not to break the the 10th Commandment bucko.
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Originally posted by Strathclydezero:
Notably we hold true to the Westminster Confession, approved by the Kirk's General Assembly in 1647 <snip>...
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Originally posted by Elephenor:
I think you'll find you've back-slid from this position, actually...
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This Church no longer affirms {that}(the Pope of Rome) is Antichrist, that Man of Sin and Son of Perdition, .
This Church therefore dissociates itself from the above statements <snip>.
(Declaratory Act Anent the Westminster Confession of Faith, 21st May 1986)
Nice to see that it only took just under 340 years for that little misunderstanding to be sorted out. Gives you hope for Christian unity in, say, 2000 years time... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Rhisiart:
]Nice to see that it only took just under 340 years for that little misunderstanding to be sorted out. Gives you hope for Christian unity in, say, 2000 years time...
2000 years? Only 2000 years. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
If it took 340 years to forgive the Pope - just ONE Roman Catholic - in 2000 years time we'll only just have got round to the Cardinal Bishop of Sabina-Poggio Mirteto. it'll be 3 or 4 hundred billion years before we've dealt with all of them. One at a time. Starting at the top, and working our way down.
It'll take even longer if they carry on breeding.
You obviously haven't got the hang of this religious bigotry thing yet, have you?
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I am probably also one of the few people on board to have been to a DUP political rally and also furthermore to my credentials I am the only one on board the ship who is using a John Calvin avatar.
So There!
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Actually, anglicanrascal, adherance to the Basis of Union is a noted point in confirmation,
ordination, and induction (of a new minister) services in the Uniting Church, so I guess there would be several occasions in the life of a clergyperson in our Church, when they promise to God that their service to God, expressed through our denomination, will be undergirded by the B.U.
Church disipline is exercised in our Church when a minister resigns from his/her ordination as a Minister-of-the-Word, at the request of the Church- the belief is that they can no longer ethically minister with integrity within the B.U. framework... and this happens occasionally. The B.U. is regarded as the level point... And certainly, when new denominations join the UCA- (and this still happens occasionally with small migrant denominations), the folk therein have to agree to the UCA and its B.U.
The B.U. and its study is a significant part of all ministry training in the UCA, both of laity and ordained.... It is used as parts of hymns and prayers....
So, there you are. Dismiss it if you want to, but remember that, in the history of Christianity in Australia, it played a significant role in the 20th century, as it brought together 3 different denominations into one new denomination, living out its belief in the rightness of Church unity.
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Getting back to our regularly scheduled protestant silliness (not that the Lord's true path is silly, you understand)
Perhaps some sort of vote on the most protestant contributers of this thread is called for? A bit like a ship of fools "Protestant Idol". Though I would naturally protest at the connection with Idols.
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Agreed. Voting... hmmm... casting of lots etc... Well, as long as there was no anti-Protestant suggestions, like gambling, dancing, guessing outcomes,talking to folk who are different from us, or having fun therein, I think this is a good idea!
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Yes voting is good - but I'll win.
I have decided that being in a country where I am the only Protestant and the rest are Roman Catholic and I haven't converted to Roman Catholicism yet makes me the best yet.
Good grief - the more I think about it the more I wonder why I haven't written vast theological tomes espousing great biblical truths yet.
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Originally posted by Robert Miller:
I have decided that being in a country where I am the only Protestant and the rest are Roman Catholic and I haven't converted to Roman Catholicism yet makes me the best yet.
They haven't burnt you at the stake yet. You can't be doing a very good job of being a Protestant.
-1 PP.
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Originally posted by Jimi Kendricks:
Actually, I can verify that Mr. Miller was burnt at the stake twice and was impervious to the flames (entirely thanks to the wonder working power of God).
So that's what the new Spire is for, then - a place for the regular burning of Mr Miller?
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Originally posted by Jimi Kendricks:
Actually, I can verify that Mr. Miller was burnt at the stake twice and was impervious to the flames (entirely thanks to the wonder working power of God).
OK
+1 PP for Mr Miller
-1 PP for Jimi Kendricks for not rescuing him before his body had a chance to prove itself impervious to the flames.
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I was in a quiet place praying and crying out to God on behalf of my brother at the time. The Lord had mercy on him and heard my feeble requests.
As any good Protestant knows, praying about a problem is better (and much more effective) than dealing with it.
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\AB nails a request for a Protestant vote onto Anglicanrascal's cathedral door.
\95 of the beggars
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As the matter was never officially settled, I feel it's my Christian duty to dispel any myths on the issue of dates on the Church calendar:
A good Protestant should know only two very important dates- the first one being December 25th which is, of course, the day that Jesus was born. The second date is Easter Sunday which, though the date may vary, is most certainly the day that Jesus rose from the dead.
Anything else is extraneous information.
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Heretic!
Good Friday is of course the main day in the Protestant church year.
After that, probably Harvest Festival.
Easter and Christmas are secularised papistical idolatrous days...
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JK: +2PP.
AB: +95 PP and a slap around the side of the head. If you haven't repaired the door to my satisfaction within 24 hours, it will be the worse for you.
Buenaventura: Ken's half-right, sorry. -2PP.
Ken: Where in Holy Scripture are we commanded to remember Good Friday? The Lord's Day is enough for all True Protestants. -1 PP.
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Ok, I'll accept -1 for Good Friday--for the truly devout. However, Harvest Festival is only celebrated in certain countries, which puts many of us devout Protestants out of the running. Perhaps Thanksgiving could be considered an alternative- another one of those good Christian holidays.
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I was on vacation, and returned to find this excellent thread. I am very Protestant, though there are a few blots on my escutcheon.
First, in my favor as a Protestant, my history (it is very Protestant of a US citizen to have connections to the Massachusetts Bay Colony). Of course, I am descended from a Mayflower traveller, but more importantly, also to many people who left England on a number of other boats to join John Winthrop in creating a City on a Hill in Massachusetts. We remained Congregationalist for many years. I was baptised in a Congregationalist Church. My husband is descended from Mass Bay Colony puritan forebears as well. His father, grandfather, and great grandfather were Methodist ministers. My great-grandfather was a Congregational Pastor, my aunt is a UCC minister, my uncle is a Missouri Synod Lutheran minister. My grandfather called Catholics "mackerel-snappers". My parents are one Baptist and one Congregationalist. I read the Bible regularly, and think about what it means. I think the eucharist is a memorial, and that it's.just.bread.and.wine. Incense makes me sneeze.
On the minus side, I am a member of an Episcopal parish, and like ecclesiastical purple, bells, candles, stained glass, gothic architecture and processions. I detest bangy-clangy bands as part of worship. I hate tambourines. I am currently wearing a Jerusalem cross. I adore Tallis, Palestrina and the like. I think choirs should be properly vested and sing well. I think it's disrespectful not to dress nicely for church.
A can read Latin, and enjoy it as part of the service.
So I think Wood is probably more Protestant than I am. As to Wood being in the Bible, Moth, I'm disappointed in you. I found many (proving my Protestantism). Just to cite a few:
The Lord admires his carving skill:
Exodus 35:33
And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of Wood, to make any manner of cunning work.
His presence ensures that the land is fertile:
Numbers 13:20
And what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be Wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land....
He is a god, himself:
Deuteronomy 28:36
The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, Wood and stone.
He is mighty in battle:
2 Samuel 18:8
For the battle was there scattered over the face of all the country: and the Wood devoured more people that day than the sword devoured.
King David is advised to present him with many gifts:
2 Samuel 24:22
And Araunah said unto David, Let my lord the king take and offer up what seemeth good unto him: behold, here be oxen for burnt sacrifice, and threshing instruments and other instruments of the oxen for Wood.
He is a necessary precursor to fire...
Proverbs 26:20
Where no Wood is, there the fire goeth out: ...
It is unwise to attack him:
Ecclesiastes 10:9
Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth Wood shall be endangered thereby.
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Originally posted by Laura:
It is unwise to attack him:
Ecclesiastes 10:9
Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth Wood shall be endangered thereby.
You know me so well.
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I am vindicated! Yay!
Our state publically-owned radio station today interviewed an ethics specialist from my denomination. As part of the intro, the announcer said that the guest was from the only "culturally-authentic Protestant church in the nation- a home grown Protestant denomination- the Uniting Church in Australia."
I could but only agree.
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I am not sure how merging two and a bit foreign denominations makes you home grown.
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Neither am I sure how it works, but for the purposes of this thread I will take anything and state it emphatically!
And, 'sides, if the ABC said it, it must be true!
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Not to this right wing fundie, everything the ABC says isn't true. (Actually I have nothing against the ABC and will concede the point on this one. But my independent evengelical church must then count as a home grown church. )
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Stubborn bloody-minded Canberra person!
lol.
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Hey, anglicanrascal! Where're my ProtPoints?
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Originally posted by Laura:
Hey, anglicanrascal! Where're my ProtPoints?
Hmmm, let's take a look at a couple of your "Recent Posts". On Bizarre Practices XLIV you posted:
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Originally posted by Laura:
To Father July,
Bless me, father, for I have sinned. I've had very impure thoughts. Am I damned in eternity? Then why don't you come up and see me sometime? You could see my Durer engravings....
We are NOT amused.
And on Dinner Party, not Malt Shop (whatever a malt shop is), you posted:
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Originally posted by Laura:
Gosh, I always thought sine nomine was pronounced See-nay No-mee-nay, from meaning "without name", that is, all the numberless saints. What's this No-mine thing?
Furthermore, your "Profile" lists you as being interested in the "Liberal arts".
Well - shall we tot up some points for you?
Call No Man Father: -2 PP
Popish Confession: -4 PP
Very Impure Thoughts: -3 PP
Suggestive Invitation Without Mention Of A Chaperone: -4 PP
Engraven Images: -3 PP
Knowledge Of and Communication In a Popish Language: -2 PP
Communication in a Popish Language using Romish Pronunciation Thereof: -4 PP
Being a Scoundrelous Liberal: -4 PP
Shall I look for further evidence? Do you have anything to say in your defence?
Pax out,
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What about the balance side -- the pro-Protestant points?
But as you lay them out, my Popish sins (and wickednesses) are manifold. I acknowledge and bewail them. Their burden is intolerable.
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Originally posted by Laura:
What about the balance side -- the pro-Protestant points?
But as you lay them out, my Popish sins (and wickednesses) are manifold. I acknowledge and bewail them. Their burden is intolerable.
Honesty is the best policy: +2 PP.
So are you going to explain why you are deserving of any Protestant Points?
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Tscha. Didn't you read my post? Okay, I'll reiterate the pro-Prot-points:
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First, in my favor as a Protestant, my history (it is very Protestant of a US citizen to have connections to the Massachusetts Bay Colony). Of course, I am descended from a Mayflower traveller, but more importantly, also to many people who left England on a number of other boats to join John Winthrop in creating a City on a Hill in Massachusetts. We remained Congregationalist for many years. I was baptised in a Congregationalist Church. My husband is descended from Mass Bay Colony puritan forebears as well. His father, grandfather, and great grandfather were Methodist ministers. My great-grandfather was a Congregational Pastor, my aunt is a UCC minister, my uncle is a Missouri Synod Lutheran minister. My grandfather called Catholics "mackerel-snappers". My parents are one Baptist and one Congregationalist. I read the Bible regularly, and think about what it means. I think the eucharist is a memorial, and that it's.just.bread.and.wine. Incense makes me sneeze.
I also think the whole "Vicar of Christ on Earth" thing is deeply wrong, and that no human can pronouce anything infallibly, that ladies can be priested, and that there isn't anything magical about being a priest.
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Originally posted by Laura:
As to Wood being in the Bible, Moth, I'm disappointed in you. I found many (proving my Protestantism). Just to cite a few:
The Lord admires his carving skill:
Exodus 35:33
And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of Wood, to make any manner of cunning work.
His presence ensures that the land is fertile:
Numbers 13:20
And what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be Wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land....
He is a god, himself:
Deuteronomy 28:36
The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, Wood and stone.
He is mighty in battle:
2 Samuel 18:8
For the battle was there scattered over the face of all the country: and the Wood devoured more people that day than the sword devoured.
King David is advised to present him with many gifts:
2 Samuel 24:22
And Araunah said unto David, Let my lord the king take and offer up what seemeth good unto him: behold, here be oxen for burnt sacrifice, and threshing instruments and other instruments of the oxen for Wood.
He is a necessary precursor to fire...
Proverbs 26:20
Where no Wood is, there the fire goeth out: ...
It is unwise to attack him:
Ecclesiastes 10:9
Whoso removeth stones shall be hurt therewith; and he that cleaveth Wood shall be endangered thereby.
Well, if he didn't know he was in there himself, he can't be very protestant, now can he?
Besides which, I think they must mean another Wood entirely. In fact, from the quotations you've given, it sounds suspiciously like Holy Writ has got itself confused* between Wood and Erin. Just try putting 'Erin' where 'Wood' is, and you'll see what I mean, especially in that nice quotation from 2 Samuel 18.
* I am aware that this makes me an heretik and thus not protestant, but I was losing anyway!
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Originally posted by Laura:
Tscha. Didn't you read my post? Okay, I'll reiterate the pro-Prot-points:
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First, in my favor as a Protestant, my history (it is very Protestant of a US citizen to have connections to the Massachusetts Bay Colony). Of course, I am descended from a Mayflower traveller, but more importantly, also to many people who left England on a number of other boats to join John Winthrop in creating a City on a Hill in Massachusetts. We remained Congregationalist for many years. I was baptised in a Congregationalist Church. My husband is descended from Mass Bay Colony puritan forebears as well. His father, grandfather, and great grandfather were Methodist ministers. My great-grandfather was a Congregational Pastor, my aunt is a UCC minister, my uncle is a Missouri Synod Lutheran minister. My grandfather called Catholics "mackerel-snappers". My parents are one Baptist and one Congregationalist. I read the Bible regularly, and think about what it means. I think the eucharist is a memorial, and that it's.just.bread.and.wine. Incense makes me sneeze.
I also think the whole "Vicar of Christ on Earth" thing is deeply wrong, and that no human can pronouce anything infallibly, that ladies can be priested, and that there isn't anything magical about being a priest.
Hrmmmm - is anyone else convinced by this? It sounds pretty good to me ... too good for someone who is currently on about -134 PP.
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That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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Could be a Marcionite...
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anglicanrascal
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Originally posted by ken:
Could be a Marcionite...
Heck - wot's a Marcionite? Some kind of early heresy? Should I add or deduct PPs from you, ken, for knowing about them?
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