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alistair_holland
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Articles of this nature serve no other purpose than to discourage people, to cultivate cynicism and hatred. I know it was funny but surely our priority as Christians is to encourage our brothers and sisters and not to spend our time in unconstructive criticism, or dare I say it blatant abuse of one another.
It basically boils down to this. When Jesus spoke it was only to benefit the people he loved in one way or another. There is no encouragement in this article, neither is there any love.
So I can only come to the conclusion that the article in question has no place in God’s work.
I think that this is a fairly basic and obvious teaching that applies to all traditions of Christianity, regardless of culture and denomination.
What on earth has this article achieved? How many lives will it change? What difference has it made to the areas that it so bluntly criticises? People, people, people! Nothing ever changed through whining and moaning. Discontentment is a result of sitting around moaning and refusing to do anything about problems. I have to pose the question. Is there room for so called ‘Christian satire’ of this kind in our faith? If anyone can back the usefulness of this article with scripture then I would love to here about it. As far as I can see it’s only really made a few people a bit more bitter and cynical.
OK we’ve all had a chuckle about it and I like a laugh as much as the next person. The funniest thing about the article for me is the fact that thousands of people were having the time of their lives at that camp, including me. Meanwhile our Author, on a ‘Super Spiritual Journalistic Crusade’ was picking a fight with everyone and everything that came her way. She clearly enjoys her misery, confrontation, manipulation etc. but each to there own I guess?
The article is pure contradiction from start to finish. It complains about so many things and at the same time is completely void of the one thing that is truly important. Love.
Oh and one more thing.
A friend of mine made this valid point regarding criticism:
“If you don't want to be criticised do nothing!”
I.E. It’s much easier to criticise something than to actually do it.
To the author;
What is it that you hope to achieve in writing this article? All I can here is a bunch of whining.
Where is the love?
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That's right.
And I thought this was supposed to be a Christian web-site.
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dyfrig
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Well, that's the Seven Woes and 1 Corinthians out of the canon, then.
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Oh my.
And so very lovely to meet you too, Alistair. I agree 100% with your comments. I thought this was supposed to be a Christian web site. These people ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Damn. Chapelhead got in there before me.
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alistair_holland
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Dear dyfrig.
I think you have missed my point.
I have no problem with God's judgement nor constructive criticism. My problem is with those who judge without love. This article was written without love in mind.
Al
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Originally posted by alistair_holland:
If anyone can back the usefulness of this article with scripture then I would love to here about it. As far as I can see it’s only really made a few people a bit more bitter and cynical.
You missed the bit about Job, and that bit called Ecclesiastes?
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Well, now that that's out of the way, what's your take on gay bishops, Alastair?
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dyfrig
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How do you know that this piece, however minimally, does express a judgement that ought to be heard by the organisers of this farcical, sub-Christian event?
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GeordieDownSouth
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SCZ:
They both offer a note of hope.
Christian holidays, bizarre things. Not been to one surrounded by barbed wire though.
Hang on... yes I have.
I've defeated my own argument. Goodbye.
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Originally posted by GeordieDownSouth:
They both offer a note of hope.
Articles like this offer me a note of hope too.
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GeordieDownSouth
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Originally posted by strathclydezero:
quote:
Originally posted by GeordieDownSouth:
They both offer a note of hope.
Articles like this offer me a note of hope too.
Good ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Sarkycow
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Originally posted by alistair_holland:
Dear dyfrig.
I think you have missed my point.
I have no problem with God's judgement nor constructive criticism. My problem is with those who judge without love. This article was written without love in mind.
Al
Or perhaps I love the organisers enough to call it how it was, and tell them the truth, rather than simpering and saying it was all fantastic, when it wasn't?
Y'know, like Jesus with Simon Peter? Jesus calls him blessed when he does good (Mt 16:17), and then tells him when he does get it wrong (Mt 16:23).
Or are you just upset because I wasn't uncritically adoring of it all? Because I actually have a brain, and a mouth, and have used them both. Which is a sin in church. Although not as great a sin as breaking the 11th Commandment: Thou shalt be nice to one another.
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alistair_holland
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This is a very poor excuse for being so blasé, antagonistic and spiteful. As for the truth, I’ve never read such a biased and coloured article in my life. Give it up. Your article didn’t come anywhere near the truth as normal people would see it, you’re just out for the story.
Try to convince yourself that your doing good but I can assure you that I’ve read far more respectable journalism in the ‘Sunday Sport’.
My original points still stand.
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La belle Dame sans merci
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Originally posted by alistair_holland:
This is a very poor excuse for being so blasé, antagonistic and spiteful. As for the truth, I’ve never read such a biased and coloured article in my life. Give it up. Your article didn’t come anywhere near the truth as normal people would see it, you’re just out for the story.
Try to convince yourself that your doing good but I can assure you that I’ve read far more respectable journalism in the ‘Sunday Sport’.
My original points still stand.
Your version of reality and mine evidently differ. And there's no point trading numbers to prove who's viewpoint is shared by the majority.
I'm interested as to what you think I should 'give up'? You have been so right so far about the article, and my motivations, and Colditz itself, not to mention how other people viewed it. Or not, as the case may be.
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The Bede's American Successor
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
I'm having difficulty wrapping my little brain around the phrase "Christian holiday camp". I just can't cram those particular words together in a meaningful way somehow.
If the author of the report will only start saving up now, I'm sure she can afford a lovely holiday in Ibiza next year.
Personally, I was imagining the movie Tommy while reading this.
Good morning, campers!
Just wait until the inmates--er, campers--start singing "We're not going to take it." Maybe then they will leave the burning trash dump (Gehenna) and return to the faith of their father, so to speak.
(Can you tell that I was one of the few people in the Western hemisphere that actually liked that movie?)
I do technical writer for a living, not creative writing. My skills are not up to what is called for in this case. Having watched the various abilities of people on this board, I will ask humbly of Sine Nomine to write a Colditz version of "Tommy's Holiday Camp," complete with the ka-ching of the cash register.
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Pyx_e
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This article was written without love in mind.
Alistair; And I suppose that sentence was?
(to which he replies, "Well I am only being honest and telling it like I see it." To which I reply "And that is exactly what SC was doing in her little piece." QED)
But I think Alistair has a point, why can't we all just get along?
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will not make jokes about sarcky having "love on her mind", will not will not
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alistair_holland, Love in the bible is also mentioned as telling the truth in love [Ephesians 4:15]. I don't see you doing that to sarkycow here, at all, I just see is you here going off about her intentions in her article. Shoot, you even tell her to "give-it-up". How encouraging, how edifying to your sister in da Lord, how bibical.
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The Bede's American Successor
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quote:
Originally posted by alistair_holland:
Articles of this nature serve no other purpose than to discourage people, to cultivate cynicism and hatred....
Yada, yada, yada.
I.E. It’s much easier to criticise something than to actually do it.
To the author;
What is it that you hope to achieve in writing this article? All I can here is a bunch of whining.
Where is the love?
Mr. Holland, great piece of biting sarcasm. Using whinning like this to make your point about Ms. Cow is the sign of a true genius. When are you going to write more like this?
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The Bede's American Successor
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quote:
Originally posted by alistair_holland:
Dear dyfrig.
I think you have missed my point.
I have no problem with God's judgement nor constructive criticism. My problem is with those who judge without love. This article was written without love in mind.
Al
Oh, my. A Mark the Punk that takes himself seriously.
Mr. Holland, let me personally welcome you to Hell. I'm sure your time here will be very interesting.
May you live in interesting times.
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The Bede's American Successor
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quote:
Originally posted by alistair_holland:
This is a very poor excuse for being so blasé, antagonistic and spiteful. As for the truth, I’ve never read such a biased and coloured article in my life. Give it up. Your article didn’t come anywhere near the truth as normal people would see it, you’re just out for the story.
Try to convince yourself that your doing good but I can assure you that I’ve read far more respectable journalism in the ‘Sunday Sport’.
My original points still stand.
So you never have read such a biased and coloured article that was so blasé, antagonistic and spiteful? Is that so? Try this article on for size.
(Warning, commenting upon the linked article here immediately takes you to Dead Horse territory. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.)
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Originally posted by Matt the Mad Medic:
The author was going to the conference for the second time, so they must have seen something positive in it the first year.
Why did you go back for a second year, sarky? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
P.S. Shit bugger arse ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
[Edited to make more hellish.]
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quote:
Originally posted by alistair_holland:
As for the truth, I’ve never read such a biased and coloured article in my life. Give it up. Your article didn’t come anywhere near the truth as normal people would see it, you’re just out for the story.
Which seems to indicate that you need to get out and about in the real world a bit more. (Try reading the "Daily Mail" for a start.)
Oh and could you define precisely what you mean by "normal people" - preferably without throwing in the "Big C" word?
Some of us are trying hard to feel offended.
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RuthW
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alistair strikes me as someone who would complain about the book Bored of the Rings not being serious literature.
Matt, is he someone you want on your side? And given that he is on your side, do you wanna come over to the other side?
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jlg
What is this place?
Why am I here?
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quote:
Originally posted by alistair_holland:
Articles of this nature serve no other purpose than to discourage people, to cultivate cynicism and hatred. I know it was funny but surely our priority as Christians is to encourage our brothers and sisters and not to spend our time in unconstructive criticism, or dare I say it blatant abuse of one another.
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What on earth has this article achieved? How many lives will it change? What difference has it made to the areas that it so bluntly criticises?
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Well, not that particular article, but the many others like it which have appeared on the Ship helped me overcome my decades of dislike for Christianity and convert. Perhaps in your view, however, it would be better if Christianity kept out those of us who prefer the company of people who can be sincere without being either self-righteous puckerbutts or wishy-washy Good Little Christians.
You've started off very precariously here on the Ship, Mr Holland. Newbies who post in Hell before they get their sealegs and run around telling the shipmates how they should be behaving often lose their balance and fall overboard. There be sharks in those waters, too!
Just for good measure, I'll hand you back a bit of your own advice:
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What is it that you hope to achieve in writing this [post]? All I can here [sic] is a bunch of whining.
Where is the love?
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Perhaps Mr Holland is just taking the piss by pretending to be a hilariously brain-dead self-righteous newbie who understands nothing about the philosophy or aims of the site.
If so, his posts are a remarkable comedic acheivement.
But somehow I doubt it...
L.
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Sine Nomine*
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Or perhaps he's being a Warrior and Trying to Make a Difference.
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ChrisT
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I can almost see the badge on his avatar, really I can.
So if we're not meant to criticize one another, being Good Christian Boys and Girls™ and all, what should we say when someone makes a balls-up of living according to their words? Or when an event is a complete flop? Or when someone is completely unsuitable for the role they have placed themselves in? Or when adherance to obscure, vague and ill-researched Biblical passages comes above the overiding commandment to love?
Peter, you got it wrong. Tut tut.
Annaias (sp?) and Sapphira, naughty naughty.
Pharisees and Saduccees - you cheeky cheeky people!
Oh, sorry. Of course we aren't meant to criticize Christians or the church. So where is that bit in the Bible where it says that we are to judge ourselves? Can anyone point that out to me, I know it's there.
alistair_holland, welcome to the Ship. I hope you have a good time aboard. After all you are an honoured guest - no one else has earned their Certified Asshat Certificate© after only three posts!
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Yeah it took ChrisT nearly 1500 ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Don't you dare piss on my bonfire, Understudy.
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This is where I'm supposed to step in as an uninvolved Hellhost and welcome alistaire_holland, and gently advise him to read the guidelines for the specific boards and reread the 10-C's. I should probably sternly warn him that this behaviour really would not be acceptable anywhere else on The Ship, even though it is perfectly fine here in Hell.
I really should.
But I'm not. I'm going to just sit here, chuckling evilly.
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Errrr ... whatever happened to cutting Apprentices some slack? Even when they blunder into Hell and say foolish things?
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The Bede's American Successor
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
This is where I'm supposed to step in as an uninvolved Hellhost and welcome alistaire_holland, and gently advise him to read the guidelines for the specific boards and reread the 10-C's. I should probably sternly warn him that this behaviour really would not be acceptable anywhere else on The Ship, even though it is perfectly fine here in Hell.
I really should.
But I'm not. I'm going to just sit here, chuckling evilly.
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Hellhost
See, this is why you are sentenced to live in the US. Once you learn how to be a Nice Canadian™ like all the others*, Ottowa will let you return. If you don't start working on your attitude, you may never see a real hockey game again. Worse yet, you will have to keep drinking American beer.
You wouldn't want that would you?
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was wondering that myself, wanderer. granted, he did come in with both guns a-blazin', but still, although he expressed himself strongly, and not very tactfully, there was some truth in what he said.
one can tell the truth in love, and say it exactly how it is, without doing it by trashing something.
the irony is that alastair seems, to me, to have done to sarkycow exactly what he is ranting at sarkycow about doing.
oh, and btw, i mentioned it in a joking manner before, but i'm going to be a bit more serious now. i don't think its exactly in good taste to compare, well almost anything, to a nazi prison camp. except another prison camp.
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You spelled Ottawa wrong but serves the heathen right since he refuses to acclimate 100% and drop all his "U"s. He lives in the USA, talk about biting the hands that FEEDS.
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You know, I thought I was cutting the newbie some slack...
...comparatively speaking.
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Originally posted by nicolemrw:
i don't think its exactly in good taste to compare, well almost anything, to a nazi prison camp. except another prison camp.
You'd certainly be correct if Colditz had been a concentration camp. But it was a prison for escapee Allied officers, and thus the subject of dozens of cheery gung-ho patriotic prisoner-of-war films. This makes it common cultural currency, and much more wholesome source material for insulting comparisons, I feel.
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Well! Everbody has been so busy engaging with Alistair_Holland that nobody has offered to show him the ropes.
Welcome to Hell, Alistair. If your butt isn't already toasted, it will be soon. Please read the Ship FAQs as well as the Hell guidelines. I write this In Christian Love (tm) because I want whatever is left of you after the denizens rip you limb from limb because you seem to have Shit For Brains (tm) to enjoy his stay in Hell.
And since, with only 3 (count 'em) posts under your belt, I betcha anything that nobody has yet pointed out to you that there are Shipdecks where people are Nicer (tm) than they are in Hell.
Best of wishes as you journey into the Heart of Christian Unrest (tm)
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And while he's at it he might as well look up the thread that would show him how to do ™'s properly.
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Eat shit and die, ce. I can't be bothered with that fru-fru stuff.
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Yes, and isn't it interesting to see which Hellhost MUST have been reading the frou-frou thread and even bothered to post on it?
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After ce finished discovering which shit is lethal, you may consume it also Gritty-girl.
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Natch. I never dish it out if I can't take it in.
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You produce Lethal Shit™? Is that embarrassing for you? Do you have to register your ass a Toxic Hazard for transportation purposes?
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Never embarassing on this end, but I really can't speak for the recipients. And mine has been registered since you were doodying in your diapers. But my a** is way too nice to be considered a hazard.
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Heeeey, waitaminute...
(checks diaper)
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For the record, Macs map extended ASCII differently, and all those cool little fixes in that ridiculous Styx thread (which I just encountered for the first time) end up looking like Serbo-Croatian unless the Mac people re-map their character set. I don't feel like soiling myself to that extent. So to speak.
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Grits
Compassionate fundamentalist
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And in keeping with the theme...
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Originally excreted by Tomb:
I don't feel like soiling myself to that extent.
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Lord, fill my mouth with worthwhile stuff, and shut it when I've said enough. Amen.
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Assistant Village Idiot
Shipmate
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I wish people hadn't baited Alistair into more posts. His first one was such a subtle, nuanced satire, and I was greatly impressed. Then on posts two and three I realized this was the real A-H, and it depressed me.
Take a breath, lad. A good percentage of folks here are Christian by however strict a definition you want to create. Holy and Pious are quite different from each other.
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ChrisT
One of the Good Guys™
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Originally posted by The Wanderer:
Errrr ... whatever happened to cutting Apprentices some slack? Even when they blunder into Hell and say foolish things?
We did.
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Originally posted by nicolemrw:
the irony is that alastair seems, to me, to have done to sarkycow exactly what he is ranting at sarkycow about doing.
But when someone does this, and so damn blatantly, they are asking for a slapping. And a slapping they got.
So there™©®
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