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Originally posted by Aliciaa:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[qb] Fact: Liverpool is in Lancashire, whether other Lancastrians want it or not.

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Originally posted by Aliciaa:
I can assure you I am being playful not vindictive. ( Well I was - the funs suddenly faded )

What have I said that could offend?
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Aliciaa - feeling victimised...
(why single me out?)

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Alicia turns the other cheek ( since other people round here seem to have no sense of humour and are obviously prejujiced against the beautiful city where I live )

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Originally posted by Aliciaa:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[qb] Fact: Liverpool is in Lancashire, whether other Lancastrians want it or not.

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this is more of a personal attack than anything I said.

no dont defend your city Aliciaa - youre new round here.

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Hi Aliciaa,
You are right to say that the above quote from KLB borders on being a personal attack: however, going back to Stoo's hosting comment, your reply to KLB saying he was obessed with tradition was also a personal attack!

(I never thought as a neutral yorkshireman(tm) i would be agreeing with a Lancastrian, but there you go..SOF is a strange place )

I think what Stoo was trying to say is that here on the "nice" SOF boards it is fair game to attack someone's argument or facts, but it is not ok to stray into the area of trading personal insults.
Personal attacks can only legitimately be made in Hell

Always attack the argument, not the author.
(It's a rule of thumb that works well round here; and yes, it took me a long while to learn it myself )
I hope you do make many more posts on SOF, Aliciaa, since I for one have found your posts helpful and interesting
I hope this clarifies things a bit..

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aliciaa:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[qb] That scousers don't feel worthy to be called Lancastrians is their self-esteem problem.

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and this is not a swipe at me?

If your gonna criticise please do it fairly... I feel like Ive been singled out over others who are doing the same thing.

in any event I WAS just having fun just like I thought Karl was, to my mind it was just friendly banter, it only became serious when I alone was criticised.

I dont want to take any argument to hell because it only became an argument once you pointed it out. If that happens over something so trivial then I will just leave the boards.

but on the other hand I maintain that since other people dont live here what right do they have to tell me where I live?

and I tried to keep it on topic by saying that this is actually what is strange about the British, some of them live in the past and try to insist that other people see everything the same way. I dont see it that way, I live in Merseyside, the year is 2004 not 1971 or 1892, have we established that yet or will you allow other people and your critisism of one newbie to derail the discussion?

To anyone that has been offended by anything that I have said - I apologise unreservedly that was not my intention and I thought we were having fun.

However I am now unsure as to wether as a scouser with "low self esteem" who does not live in the county that she thinks she does and whos city has been described in other threads as a city of thieves and vagabonds and also as a newbie who simply hasnt followed the rules whilst others so impeccably have, well am I welcome here or not, because I am now feeling quite emotional and I dont know what to think.



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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Another strange thing about the Brits: their apologies often take longer than the actual disagreement...

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I guess it's due to the fact we still need to apologise for all that "Running The Empire(tm) thing!"

i.e. (..Since we did "use to run the world before the Americans!!" as Ricky Gervais once said..))

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Originally posted by Eigon:
Liverpool's always been different though.

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I went to a writer's workshop run by David Gerrold once. As an American, he observed how "terribly, terribly polite" the English seemed in British made dramas.

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That's because Americans sometimes can't tell when we are being rude. We're actually much nastier than them. But we use different signals to show it.

For example a shift into formality can signify rudeness from a Brit (or Australian, or Irish).

So an American who calls someone "Sir" or "Mr. so-and-so" might just be being polite to them. But - in certain contexts - a Brit using the same phrase might be mocking them. (Not all contexts - there are some where it is normal, but outside school or the armed forces they are now vanishingly rare)

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Originally posted by ken:
That's because Americans sometimes can't tell when we are being rude. We're actually much nastier than them. But we use different signals to show it.

For example a shift into formality can signify rudeness from a Brit (or Australian, or Irish).

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I am suddenly haunted by the fear that nobody I work with actually knows when I am pissed off, and just thinks I am prone to sudden, unheralded mood swings.

So the other day when I was on a conference call with people from the US, Belgium and France, and they said something that annoyed me, I quite naturally started talking to them very, very politely, using phrases like "I can assure you" and "With the greatest respect". Now to me (and any sane person I reckon) this obviously signals the chill before the storm, look out matey another step down that road and blood will be spilled.

It suddenly and horrifyingly occurs to me that to them it might have just sounded like I was backing down, or even (gulp) being conciliatory.

Surely not?

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Originally posted by RuthW:
Can't speak for anyone else, but if someone started off a sentence addressed to me "with all due respect," I'd know they were giving me the finger under the table. Nobody ever says that and means it.

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Liverpool's always been different though.

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It is the only city in Britain I have ever been to where random people met on the street were rude or unfriendly to me. For example I asked someone the time and they just said "fuck off" or asked someone the way to somewhere and they deliberatly misled me for a joke. That sort of thing has happened to me about 5 times in Liverpool. In Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, Glasgow, all of which I have visited often, people seem normal and helpful and friendly to strangers.

In Sheffield they are positively affectionate - its hard to wait at a bus-stop without hearing the story of someone's life.

But in Liverpool many people seem to hear a non-Liverpool accent and immediatly get aggressive. Even people serving in shops or cafes often act in an unfriendly way that I just haven't seen elsewhere, even as nearby as Warrington, or Manchester. Or, frankly, Birkenhead. Which is by comparison a nice place.

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There are those who will show you the way, take our twin cathedrals for example, where else in the UK can you find such perfect Ecunumical Unity?

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Sheffield

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There are those who will show you the way, take our twin cathedrals for example, where else in the UK can you find such perfect Ecunumical Unity?

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Originally posted by Ronist:
I used to think it odd that Americans especially southern were still fighting the Civil War. Then on this "ship" I discovered the the Brits were still fighting the War of the Roses. It's over guys. Time to move on.

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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
It all went wrong with the Synod of Whitby (c AD 600, following the Unpleasantness at Aust (no, I don't mean the motorway service area).

That pretext of "converting the heathen Anglo-Saxons" was a cover for destroying the Celtic Church.

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Surely not. The Past Times catalogue is full of it.

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Originally posted by Ariel:
Sodding Romans Coming in here and taking our jobs away and building their bloody aqueducts all over the place and telling us we need planning permission to build huts.

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Originally posted by Corfe:
What's odd about us?
How about gurning or shin kicking?

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Speaking of "Strange" games.

I remember seeing on CBS news (America) (with Dan Rather ) that over here in Britain our folks were holding the annual "worm charming" championships.

It involved loads of people trying to charm worms out of the ground using various techniques.

That was strange! - and embarassing

I did'nt see it on TV over here in Britain but Dan was having a good old laugh about it in the States.



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Cheese-rolling anyone?

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Just down the road... great fun!!

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Originally posted by Eigon:
Oh, and pace egging (rolling hard boiled eggs down hills at Easter time)...

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