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Am I the only person on the ship (or in the entire world for that matter) who adores broccoli?
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Nope. Same here. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Go Anne Go
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I, for one, eat broccoli like it is going out of style. I have a real thing for veggies, I love them.
I'm with Gritsie - a lot of the eating stuff is learned. My friend Debbie raised her sons eating even as babies the same stuff they ate, just mushed up as necessary. Todd ate curry from a young age, and anything else. Of course, his mother is one of the best cooks I know, and his grandfather was a food critic/editor for the Philly Enquirer. These people know food. They've taught me a lot, even as an adult, but if I wasn't unafraid to approach food in this way, I never would have learned.
Then again, snob that I am, there are only three types of food I won't eat.
1) Offal (kidneys, liver, tripe). A lthough I might have eaten some of this in China and just not known.
2) Mac and cheese. I don't understand why. I love pasta, I love cheese, I love lasagna and things with pasta and cheese in it, just the smell of mac and cheese makes me queasy.
3) Baked beans. Again, don't ask me why. I strongly suspect school dinners. Beans any other way, no problem.
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I love broccoli smothered in melted cheese. Yummy.
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Originally posted by Grits:
I think there are very few tastes or textures with which we really, truly have an inate problem. I fully believe that most eating peculiarities are learned. ... Once in a while they may run across something they just genetically hate, but every vegetable known to man? Give me a break. (And don't get me started on Trini's "orange and green" issue.)
So... if you want your kid to be a healthy eater, you have to start him out young. ...
No one ever said being a good mom was a popularity contest. It's 18+ years of consistent, thoughtful guidance and discipline, often to your own inconvenience and dislike. But as I keep saying, it's worth it. I never missed a minute's sleep when he started driving, I've never felt the need to wait up for him, and I've never had to question where he was, who he was with or what he did. Why? Because we had handled all that when he was little, when character is established and roots are grown.
I salute you, Fraulein. Heil to the Nazi moms!
Grits:
We did blow it with our eldest, by catering too much too early, so that by the time we tried pushing the envelope it was harder to lay down the law. But I'm glad to say it mostly worked,. and he really has expanded his repertoire of things he genuinely likes. Last year he discovered that he really liked salsa, of all things (I keep saying that salsa is all of these veggies crushed up together, so why not eat them separately?). So there's developing potential here that I'm not going to let go because of his native resistance.
But our youngest will eat almost anything put in front of him (which means that I probably shouldn't have forced the spinach issue with him, as he probably really found it icky, but I try not to appear partial). He eagerly consumes everything from spicy Thai to hummus and dolmadas, likes kalamata olives, and always remembers to say "yum"!.
That said, my papa was a hideously picky eater as a child -- cheese and tapioca and that's all, everything else was a war. As an adult, though, he's really branched out into all sorts of bizarre tastinesses.
Well, as with many parenting issues and kids, we are all individuals and YMMV. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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..re: Children and spinach. You can blame Papa Bush for that. He was and presumably still is famously anti-spinach and got into a scrape with the US Spinach Growers Association (or whatever it is called) for saying so. ...
No, that was broccoli.
I love raw baby spinach leaves. But the smell of brussels sprouts made me gag in childhood, and it makes me gag still. When I was forced to eat them, my stomach revolted in a decisive fashion. That loathesome pseudo-food will never darken a plate in my household while I have the strength to fight it off!
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I fully believe that most eating peculiarities are learned.
Grits, this is true for my step-son; his eating habits were formed long before I came around, and his mom admits her culpability. While he's a weird eater, his character's already developed, and a sterling one it is. Frankly, he's 100 times better human being than I was at his age. His extended family also has a history of "late bloomers." So, I'm not sweating the picky eater thing too much, I'll wait until he discovers money, alcohol, girls and drugs.
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Hopefully he won't discover the money, alcohol, girls and drugs all on the same evening --
In a restaurant or as a guest in a friend's home --
While being confronted with a heaping plate of stuff he hates to eat.
They'll look so-o-o-o go-o-o-ood in contrast.
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I still remember the first time I ate oysters raw. I had been offered them before, but declined. Then, with the same people, but also with one of the lad's parents there, splashing out in a very Chinese "can't lose face" way, I was offered them again. To not have eaten them would have been taken as insulting. James (sitting next to me, and with a *very* smug look on his face) loaded one up with horseradish and cocktail sauce and advised me what to do.
I did it, and suprisingly, I loved it. But still it took that kind of "it will be exceptionally rude not to" circumstance to get me to do it.
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Moo
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"Spinach is full of iron and will make you grow up big and strong just like Pop-Eye".
Actually there are nutritional drawbacks to spinach. The oxalic acid in the spinach binds calcium you eat at the same time so that the body can't use the calcium
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RuthW
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Laura, I'm sorry. I don't have kids, so it doesn't much matter what I think anyway.
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Am I the only person on the ship (or in the entire world for that matter) who adores broccoli?
I like broccoli. Especially raw.
I also like spinach. The great thing about spinach is that when they do it in cafateria Hall in College no-one else wants it. So if you do ask for spinach you are guaranteed triple helpings at no extra cost!
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Sorry for the DP but I only just remebered this one:
What's the difference between boiled cabbage and snot?
You can't get the kids to eat boiled cabbage.
Which does beg the quetion, why, when they will eat bogies, worms, bugs, mud, buttons* and wash it down by drinking the bath water, is it so hard to get them to eat something normal like mashed potato?
*We found it in his nappy
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Laura:
Because there is no vegetable besides the potato (and the carrot) which meets with eldest's approval, I either have to deny everyone else any vegetables, or require him to eat two bites of the vegetable I make for everyone.
Why so?
What's wrong with making the same amount of veggies, but allowing "trades"? So if your eldest doesn't like his spinach, he can trade it for some of someone else's carrot...
Worked for my family when I was growing up...
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I seem to recall reading about some people being "super-tasters"--more sensitive than most to certain tastes. That's my theory at the moment for why my toddler will eat almost anything (including French onion soup, crab, hot and sour soup, pizza, etc.) and my sister's son virtually nothing. I think he got her picky eater genes, and my son got his parents' broader-than-catholic tastes.
I can't think of anything else to explain it--she's a great parent and very conscientious, and has probably taken far more pains to handle food issues correctly with him than I ever did with my son. Just lucky.
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A friend of mine has severe allergies - asthma, the sort of sensitive skin you could write a letter on,such is her wheal and flare reaction and occasional anaphylactic reactions that put her in hospital.
After the most recent of these, she was told by her allergy specialist that 75% of allergies are diet related. So he put her on an elimination diet for six weeks. It consisted of the following:
- Cabbage - boiled
- brussels sprouts - boiled
- chicken - steamed
- water
- white bread - but only if she made it herself with no additives, and, bizarrely
- homemade pear jam on the bread
Nothing else. For six weeks. We took her out for yum cha and the next day the regime began.
She stuck to it gamely.
In the end, she turned out to be one of the 25% for whom diet is not the cause of their allergies. Yes, it's the anti-allergy drugs for the rest of her natural. But at least she can eat what she likes - with one exception.
She tells me that she will gag and die before another brussels sprout passes her lips.
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We have a policy in our house that kids will have at least one bite of each food put on their plates. (Adults are not required to do this, although I have often wondered how some folks would react to the policy.)
One of our neighbor kids is a notoriously picky eater. If it isn't pizza or Kraft™ Macaroni and Cheese, he ain't gonna put it in his mouth. On a night where he had the poor judgment to eat at our house we served broccoli (which I adore, BTW.) He would not eat it. He had never tried it and was not about to start for us.
I tried persuasion. "It's a little tree. Try the little tree." Nah.
I tried "Just one tiny little bite. Look, Zachary thinks it's good. Watch him eat it." Nah.
I eventually became Mr. Nutritional Crusader Person. "You are not leaving this table to play on the Playstation™ until you try one bite of broccoli." There are days when I wonder about my sanity.
He finally ate a bit small enough to be seen only with one of the more advanced electron scanning microscopes and immediately began retching. I jumped up, grabbed him and ran with him under my arm to the bathroom so he wouldn't throw up all over the table. As I carried him I uttered the magic words "You did this to yourself you know."
His mom did not speak to me for a month.
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My mother, having fought the "you'll eat it and you'll LIKE it" battle with her own parents, especially my grandfather, who was determined to cook but rather bad at it, never made The Dinner Table a Battle of Wills.
I benefitted from this. Organ meat never appeared on our table, for one. The one time I was served it unawares was Scrambled-Eggs-With-Brains at Grandpa's. I am told that my brother and I both reported in to Mom with "Mom, these eggs taste funny" and were told "You don't have to eat it, just don't say anything", because she knew Grandpa would have several kinds of fits if we fussed. Which directive we complied with, much to her relief.
(I will also note that my mother, her sister, and her brother are all EXCELLENT cooks, in self defense from Grandpa, no doubt.)
Picky eaters we weren't, so it wasn't tough to work around our small list of dislikes. We also had butter (and for broccoli, cheddar cheese sauce) available for our veggies. I was in college, and suffering through slimy canned veg in the dorms, before I could appreciate most veggies not slathered in some sort of butterfat. So this is not the same as Laura's issue, or Kenwritez's issue. I actually quite agree with Laura that some vegetable matter other than potatoes or carrots needs to be consumed. Her mission is to find a way to get the kids to eat it. For the spinach I'd suggest something like spinach florentine (e.g. very heavily gussied). I cheerfully ate spinach salad as a teenager (for some reason nobody thought to serve it to me before, but the Ob Bacon Bits really helped ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ) but cooked spinach had to be really doctored. Nowadays I can eat it Italian style (steamed, then sauteed in garlic) minus the parmesan, butter butter butter, or pork products.
One other suggestion the late lamented Laurie Colwin makes in her "How to disguise vegetables" chapter in _Home Cooking_ is fritters or pancakes. Kids like things that are Crispy and Good With Ketchup and it might help persuade them to eat the non-fried version later.
I grew up with my cousins around about half the time and in that family the only thing all four kids liked was hamburgers and lasagna, leading my aunt to haul us all off to McDonald's one Thanksgiving to avoid the "EEEW! I hate turkey!" announcements at the holiday table, only to find the Golden Arches closed.
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[tangent] There is increasing testimony that roach feces is a greater cause of asthma and allergic reactions than many others. [/tangent]
The public’s awareness of health concerns associated with pests was heightened in May, 1997 when the New England Journal of Medicine published a study showing that the common cockroach is a major cause of a growing asthma epidemic among inner-city youth and apparently prompts a majority of the most serious cases.
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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
...She tells me that she will gag and die before another brussels sprout passes her lips.
A sister, half a world away!
I salute her.
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Originally posted by lamb chopped:
I seem to recall reading about some people being "super-tasters"--more sensitive than most to certain tastes.
Here's a very short article about supertasters and natural sensitivity to a bitter chemical called 6-n-propylthiouracil. It explains why some people will hate sprouts no matter how they are cooked.
By the way, you can reduce the amount of bitterness in the sprouts by simply leaving the saucepan lid off when cooking them. Let them boil rapidly for about six minutes (less or more depending on the size) until just tender, drain them well, serve them immediately and don't let them stand around. If you still don't like them, you've got a scientific excuse. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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The picky eaters that I know have almost all come from families where dinnertime was a battleground. The few who don't fit into this category have a medical reason for their fussyness, eg intolerance to wheat, allergy to red summer fruits or peanuts.
The way that works best for my family is to prepare dinner and put it on serving dishes on the table. Then everyone can choose what to put on their plates. The rule is that if you put it on your plate you should eat it. This approach is valued by a friend who has an eating disorder, it makes it easier for them to put things on their plate.
When we have new stuff the children often ask for a taste. They eat a greater range of foods when they were little, but the range is coming back. This is what happened with me, and so I see it as being fairly normal.
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My dinner table is not a battle ground, it's a massacre.
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I shudder to think of life in the Pyx_e household.... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
"You kids just don't appreciate the genius of Dr. Mengele!"
"Young man, WHERE is your tuna?"
"Dear Pyx_e Family: Thank you for your visit today to St. Batholemew's. We feel your spiritual needs would best be served in another church, one in which loud comments during service of "You're a shithead!" might be viewed as valid sermon critiques. Yrs, etc."
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I was one of those fussy eaters.
When I was small, I really couldn't stand the sight of ketchup, never mind the taste. When the rest of the family ate it, my mum made me a barricade out of newspaper to hide behind so I couldn't see them eating.
Wierdly, I loved cherry buns from the local bakers - except for the cherries, which I picked out and left at the side of the plate. When we went to visit my Auntie, I was told very sternly that I must eat the cherries. Fortunately, Auntie saw me looking dubiously at the cake, guessed what was wrong, and whispered that I could leave them if I wanted to.
I'll eat them quite happily now - but I still won't eat ketchup by choice.
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Originally posted by Eigon:
I'll eat them quite happily now - but I still won't eat ketchup by choice.
The only tomato thing that I would eat as a child was Heinz Tomato Soup. So no baked beans, no ketchup, no pizza etc. Now I like them all.
I never got the hang of orange squash. I can now drink it, but would much prefer a glass of water. The one drink that I am ultra fuzzy about is tea. Gremlin is just about the only person who can make me a cup of tea that I will be able to drink. I can't even make myself a decent cup of tea! When I am out and offered tea or coffee I politely refuse and very politely ask if I could have a glass of water instead. I don't think that I have managed to offend someone by not drinking their hot beverages.
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Originally posted by Moo:
Actually there are nutritional drawbacks to spinach. The oxalic acid in the spinach binds calcium you eat at the same time so that the body can't use the calcium.
Well, you learn something every day. I only wish I could have said that to Mum in reply to her at the time, mind you, there's still time to do so!
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Laura, I'm sorry. I don't have kids, so it doesn't much matter what I think anyway.
Ahhh, I was just being oversensitive. You are entitled to your opinion from your point of view as being a kid, certainly. I just disagree that its never useful to use duress to expand their palates a bit. But it's helpful to know that spinach is in the class of things that some people find extremely bitter.
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My mum took the easy route of not making much fuss if I (or my various foster-siblings) didn't eat something. But she didn't cook alternatives, looking back I doubt she could have afforded to. If you didn't eat it, not much was said beyond a little mild persuasion, but you went without. If you didn't eat the whole meal, you'd be very hungry by the time the next meal came around, and you didn't get to fill up on treats between meals. (Though I don't think she made a habit of cooking whole meals she knew somebody would hate once she knew they would hate it.) This seemed to work quite well with a variety of kids over the years.
I was pretty placid about the food itself, my problem was with the layout. I liked my food all in seperate piles on the plate, not getting mixed up together, so I could choose what got mixed and matched on my fork. Still do, as a matter of fact, though I'm rather less inclined to throw tantrums about it nowadays. My particular bugbear was the water that comes with tinned peas. I wasn't fond of peas, but would eat them. But if they were served on the plate with the water and that ran into the other food, well... "The pea juice has got on my potatoes! I can't eat them! I can't!!". Well, it's gross, isn't it? My mum had little sympathy with this carry on, which I suspect struck her as fairly crazed. Some battles were fought over that.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Laura:
You are entitled to your opinion from your point of view as being a kid, certainly.
I'm still a kid about green bell peppers. Unless I'm in someone's home, in which case I swallow without chewing so I don't have to taste them so much, I pick green bell peppers out of things and leave them in a little pile on the edge of my plate. Anyone who laughs at me is in danger of having them flicked across the table at them.
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I'd hate to see what you do to a supreme pizza.
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My two Gortlets would only eat vegetables when young; any type as long as it came from a plant. Attempts to force them to eat meat were futile [except the eldest, who would tolerate fish]. Sugar and candy was also taboo. Eventually they succumbed to peer and media pressure. They are now happily normal and consume vast quantities of burgers, pizza, potato chips, soda and candy.
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RuthW
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Green bell peppers on pizza are problematic, because even when I've picked them off, I can still taste them when I eat the parts of the pizza where they were sitting. But my biggest nightmare would be being invited to someone's house for dinner and finding they were serving stuffed bell peppers as the main course. Can't exactly swallow that without chewing.
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RuthW, I cordially invite you to dinner at my house.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Green bell peppers on pizza are problematic, because even when I've picked them off, I can still taste them when I eat the parts of the pizza where they were sitting. But my biggest nightmare would be being invited to someone's house for dinner and finding they were serving stuffed bell peppers as the main course. Can't exactly swallow that without chewing.
I used to dislike peppers vehemently. With regards to stuffed peppers, if forced to eat them I used to take as much filling as I could with as small a piece of pepper. Seemed to work (it was the texture I disliked really - the taste wasn't bad.)
The only thing I really will not eat now (apart from meat - I'm vegetarian) is mushrooms. When I went to france once, aged four, I saw someone eating snails, and thought they were mushrooms. The association has lived on in my mind ever since, and I have refused to touch them. Pretty much anything else I can bring myself to eat if necessary (eg not offending someone), but mushrooms I will not touch. I tell people this if they invite me anywhere (with many apologies!)... it hasn't caused me too much grief yet.
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Peppers tend to infect everything near them. I like them, but my husband feels much as Ruth does and avoids them.
Ruth: what you fear about bell peppers as a main course can happen! We often retell the kids the story of when we went to a young friend's first dinner party as a married couple. They are vegetarians and were very proud to serve us mushroom pie in their new apartment kitchen. I can't express to you my and my husband's feelings about mushrooms, and to be presented with a whole big slice o' pie stuffed with multiple sorts was a real challenge. But of course, we dug in with gusto. We complimented the pie fulsomely, regretfully refused a second slice and spent the rest of the evening after returning home crying "Mushroom pie! Aaaaaah!"
But, as I explained to the kids, sometimes you just have to suck it up and eat it. If one has an allergy one can beg off. But you can't say "I don't like mushrooms" under these circumstances.
Strangely, mushrooms don't turn up very often in my cuisine. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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The way that works best for my family is to prepare dinner and put it on serving dishes on the table. Then everyone can choose what to put on their plates. The rule is that if you put it on your plate you should eat it.
Oh wow. My family would have gone up the wall. "You don't give children choices" was their motto together with "If it's on your plate you eat it" and "don't waste food".
Mealtimes were often a battleground. If you make an issue of something it becomes a point of honour on both sides not to give in and the argument goes on much longer than it would have done otherwise, in some cases for years.
It wasn't until I left home for university that I realized that food could be enjoyable and as an adult it was no longer compulsory to eat everything on your plate.
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I was pretty placid about the food itself, my problem was with the layout. I liked my food all in seperate piles on the plate, not getting mixed up together, so I could choose what got mixed and matched on my fork.
Oh my goodness, yes!
Jr. Campbellite described himself as a sufferer of AFS - Adjacent Food Syndrome. He could not abide ANYTHING on his plate touching anything else.
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I'd hate to see what you do to a supreme pizza.
If it has pepperoni on it you could invite me too for double fun.
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I was as fortunate as Charlotte at the home table. The only real rule was that we had to try any new dish at least once. After that, we were allowed to skip what we didn't like. None of us turned out to be picky eaters.
We didn't get organ meats, either. Dad loved liver, Mom couldn't stand it, so she didn't cook it. Every now and again he'd get a package of chicken gizzards and cook them for breakfast. He used to keep a bit of Braunschweiger handy for a Saturday sandwich. Never had to worry about that going missing from the fridge!
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Unless I'm in someone's home, in which case I swallow without chewing so I don't have to taste them so much, I pick green bell peppers out of things and leave them in a little pile on the edge of my plate.
I love crispy bacon; as a child, if I received a piece that had too much fat on it, I would strip off the offending substance and leave it behind. My mother's comment inevitably was, "If you were invited to the White House and were served a piece of bacon you didn't like, would you do that?" To this day I am not entirely certain of my priorities.
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I tell people this if they invite me anywhere (with many apologies!)... it hasn't caused me too much grief yet.
When I am cooking for people I will always ask them if there is anything that they don't like or can't eat. If I haven't been able to do that I will cook simple foods and keep them separate, eg chunks of chicken, a korma sauce, boiled rice, a couple of plates of vegetables, then the guests can combine them in what ever way they want to.
I would expect a guest to tell me if they were a veggie or vegan, had a food allergy or loathed a food.
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Oh wow. My family would have gone up the wall. "You don't give children choices" was their motto together with "If it's on your plate you eat it" and "don't waste food".
I get annoyed with people who waste food. If I have made too much food for dinner then I will often have the left-overs for lunch the following day. If there is just a little bit left over I pop it in the freezer in the 'pig bag'. When the 'pig bag' is full I will hand it over to my friends who keep pigs. That way virtually no food is wasted.
I really disagree with the "Don't give children choices!" Right from the start, as soon as they were able to make choices I let them make the decisions that they were capable of making.
At 18 months a child is perfectly capable of choosing wich socks to wear out of a choice of two. Later they can decide on what flavour of yogurt. I am struggling to remember either of the children having a temper tantrum when they were little. I think that is down to letting them make age-appropriate choices.
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I find spinach too bitter to eat, though I can stomach it in salmon pasta, for example. BUT I adore sprouts! So much so that I eat leftover cooked ones cold, like sweets. Mmmmm.
I heard something on the radio the other week about how many times a child has to try a food before it becomes palatable. Apparently as we grow older we can still learn to like new foods but the number of times we need to taste them before we like them rises from about 8 to 25 (I think).
So there is sense in getting kids to try things -but IMHO NO point at all in making the dinner table a battle. There are so many other vegetables to offer! As far as vegetables go, my two girls spent a lot of their childhood eating just carrots and broccoli - however they ate vast amounts, plus potatoes, garlic and onion, and this covered most of their veggie needs.
I know too many people with eating disorders, and with behavioural problems because they have NO say in their lives at home. So there's a middle ground, in my opinion.
However, as long as it works for you, then so what? I couldn't have coped with battling over food and always served things I knew for sure they would enjoy. I don't quite understand the need to impose spinach BUT if it's important to you and you don't mind the hassle...
Oh, and I scored 8% - making me a 'Poser'. And one of the two least geeky people here! Except my pleasure at that fact makes me a geek, I suspect. Just not a computer one!
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I really dont think kids, like adults, should be forced to eat everything. Nobody likes everything. I think you can positively encourage kids to try stuff - but tirning it into a battle just really isnt worth it. Do you want the kids to remember meal times as battle grounds or as a fun family social time?
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RuthW, I cordially invite you to dinner at my house.
Where you will cordially be serving stuffed bell peppers, no doubt.
Laura, my hat is off to you for eating all those mushrooms (though I must say, I love mushrooms). I hope I behave as well at KenWritez' house.
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Here's a very short article about supertasters and natural sensitivity to a bitter chemical called 6-n-propylthiouracil. It explains why some people will hate sprouts no matter how they are cooked. ...
This makes sense to me:
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...supertasters find the taste of PROP revolting. ...
So perhaps I have SOME superpowers after all?
But I reserve the right to continue in my childhood belief: The things are just evil.
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I'm still a kid about green bell peppers. Unless I'm in someone's home, in which case I swallow without chewing so I don't have to taste them so much, I pick green bell peppers out of things and leave them in a little pile on the edge of my plate. Anyone who laughs at me is in danger of having them flicked across the table at them.
Ruth! ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) I'm with you totally on this.
And I was just about to note that the ghastly taste contaminates anything it touches -- pizza, for example -- when I noticed you'd made the same point.
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Never give up! Never surrender!
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I hoped someone would catch that.
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Originally posted by KenWritez:
RuthW, I cordially invite you to dinner at my house.
Where you will cordially be serving stuffed bell peppers, no doubt.
Laura, my hat is off to you for eating all those mushrooms (though I must say, I love mushrooms). I hope I behave as well at KenWritez' house.
LOL... yeah, I thought about it. But since I prefer not to turn my dinner table into a battle of the wills with you, instead I'll ask you what you prefer and serve you that, or at least attempt to pleasantly surprise you, although I *may* serve stuffed peppers to the SW and me.
Then again, I may not. Y'know, I've never made stuffed mushrooms, and the SW is a fungal admirer, so I may have to indulge both of your mycological appetites, should you grace us with your presence.
Either way, things you'll never find at my dinner table: Organ meats, okra, eggplant, beets, anything with a face or tentacles still attached.
Tonight I made chicken noodle soup (recipe available on request), and the SW paid me the highest possible compliment: She had two bowls, and suggested she just might have a third for dessert. You can't buy that kind of compliment!
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Then again, I may not. Y'know, I've never made stuffed mushrooms, and the SW is a fungal admirer, so I may have to indulge both of your mycological appetites, should you grace us with your presence.
One Christmas my brother served stuffed mushrooms as a the first course of Christmas dinner. He took out the stalk of some large flatish mushrooms and popped a couple of heated haggis into the mushrooms, added a bit of garlic butter and then grilled them. Not my thing, but a lot of the family loved them.
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The picky eaters that I know have almost all come from families where dinnertime was a battleground. The few who don't fit into this category have a medical reason for their fussyness, eg intolerance to wheat, allergy to red summer fruits or peanuts.
The absolute classic way to become a picky eater is demonstrated by the worst picky eater I know. No home battles and no allergies in sight - just acquiescence by his parents to his wishes. When he was about 3 or 4 he had a stomach upset and the doctor told his mum to let him eat what he wanted for a while. Which turned into 30 years. He is now an adult and will eat about three varieties of protein, and jam or yoghurt without bits. His wife is somewhat foodie and it must be so hard for her.
This is an extreme case but children do need to be exposed to a variety of foods as young children and food aversions can be overcome - it's hard, but it's easier when you are younger as you have less learning to overcome. Food aversions are quite common but usually only to one or two foods, and usually associated with sickness around the time of ingestion - but not always sickness caused by the food in question. They are often then experienced as gagging, aversion to texture of the particular food, etc - so you are certain you are going to be sick, although you are not actually going to be, and you have no allergy to the food. For example, you have watermelon for the first time, together with too much red wine. Next day you are sick and you cannot face watermelon again, ever.
It's all very well having a food aversion to one or two foods but having one to everything except about seven foods in total (as with my friend's husband) makes for a seriously limited adulthood. Most adult social situations do involve food and don't involve having unlimited choice over what you eat. Likewise healthy adults need to be able to eat a variety of foods - one vegetable only is not healthy, Marvin - if you only eat one vegetable, ever, you aren't getting the variety of nutrients your body needs. Being 6 and only eating chicken nuggets is one matter, but being 16 (or 26 or 36!) and only eating chicken nuggets is quite another thing. The only - very sad - options for such adults are to avoid social situations with food or to sit there like a lemon while everyone else eats.
Allergies are a different matter and it is, of course, important to notice if your child comes out in hives when they breathe in peanut dust!
PS I also don't like raw green peppers - and they do make everything else taste funny. I won't put them in things myself and if they are cut up large in a salad, I won't eat them, but a) that's about the only food I just won't eat - I don't like celery but if it's mixed in I'll always eat it and b) if they are cut up small I eat them because it would be rude to sift through my food before eating it! I have recently learned to like black olives, which annoys The Spouse™, as he used to get mine from my pizzas. It's never too late to learn...
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