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Sauerkraut
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Kenwritez,

Once again you make an amazing post defending the overweight, McDonald's loving American. I must say:

[Not worthy!] [Not worthy!] [Not worthy!]

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KenWritez
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I don't think Americans are inherently any worse or any better than, say, Brits. I think British and US cultures have their sins and virtues, strengths and weaknesses as much as any other. The Americans just get more publicity, that's all.

I don't mind people saying, "I disagree with McDonald's international business policies" or "I think President Bush is an idiot," but don't slag off an entire nation!

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ken
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Oh namesake Mine,

great post.

But when picking up addle-brained racist arsewipes on factual accuracy it is best to be accurate:

quote:

Everyone agrees the British occupation of their neighbors Scotland and Ireland was mere humanitarian peacekeeping,

Scotland, like Wales and Cornwall and England, is part of Britain. So it can't be a neighbour of the British. I think you meant "English occupation" (which there wasn't, arguably - the currently most popular Scottish myth about the unfortunate events of the early 18th century is along the lines of the Scottish establishment betraying the people into a sordid commercialism and imperialism - Scots soldiers got to occupy plenty of places alongside the English (& still do, disproportionatly) but Louise could no doubt tell you much more about that than the rest of us could)

And, by the way, who bought all those slaves us and the Portuguese used to sell?

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KenWritez
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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
Oh namesake Mine,

great post.

But when picking up addle-brained racist arsewipes on factual accuracy it is best to be accurate:

quote:

Everyone agrees the British occupation of their neighbors Scotland and Ireland was mere humanitarian peacekeeping,

Scotland, like Wales and Cornwall and England, is part of Britain. So it can't be a neighbour of the British. I think you meant "English occupation" (which there wasn't, arguably - the currently most popular Scottish myth about the unfortunate events of the early 18th century is along the lines of the Scottish establishment betraying the people into a sordid commercialism and imperialism - Scots soldiers got to occupy plenty of places alongside the English (& still do, disproportionatly) but Louise could no doubt tell you much more about that than the rest of us could)

And, by the way, who bought all those slaves us and the Portuguese used to sell?

My favorite namesake:

I stand (well, I sit, actually) corrected, thank you! Yes, I meant to write "English" but popped a brainfart and wrote "British" instead.

Now, what about all this Robert the Bruce stuff? My pop culture and "Braveheart"-inspired understanding of English history crammed sideways into my tinytiny brain tells me the English king(s) sent troops into Scotland and Ireland to pacify the natives and ensure the productivity of both the absentee noble landlords as well as those noble landowners present.

As for who bought the Portugese-procured slaves? This I do something about. The colonial states here in the US bought a great deal, as did many other European colonies and outposts. Of course, what few people seem to want to remember is that a goodly percentage of these slaves were captured and sold to the slave traders by rival tribes. That, however, does not excuse the slavers their grisly trade nor their horrific slave ships nor the incalculable suffering these traders brought upon their victims.

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Tangent consisting of a lt of questions.

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Originally posted by kenwritez:

I already speak Spanish and some Italian, so I think I've fulfilled these terms. Most Americans can speak at least a smattering of other languages.


How widely spoken is Spanish in the US?. I've heard vague reports about road signs in California being in Spanish and English and that Governor Bush (as he then was) learnt Spanish in order to communicate with many Texans for whom it was thre first language. The White House website is also available in Spanish.

Is it true that thre used to be a language test for those applying for Citizenship and this has now been abandoned ?

Finally, I hear the tems " Hispanic " used quite widely, but am not entirely sure what it means or how precisely it is defined.

Sorry for all the questions - I'll shut up now.

[You know, I'll bet preview post still works on this godforsaken outlying board. So use it.]

[ 04. May 2003, 16:31: Message edited by: sarkycow ]

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ken
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quote:
Originally posted by kenwritez:
Now, what about all this Robert the Bruce stuff? My pop culture and "Braveheart"-inspired understanding of English history crammed sideways into my tinytiny brain tells me the English king(s) sent troops into Scotland and Ireland to pacify the natives and ensure the productivity of both the absentee noble landlords as well as those noble landowners present.

Maybe... or it could be that the Frenchified Normans who ran England fell out with the Frenchified Normans who ran Scotland & the Scots lot took refuge in nationalistic rhetoric to get some support from the common people. A bit like the way Saddam Hussein seemed discover that he had been a Muslim all along sometime in late 1990.

Robert the Bruce, or should I say...

[Monty Phythonesque stage French accent ON]
Robert de Brus
[Monty Phythonesque stage French accent OFF]

had as many lands in England as in Scotland - Bruce Castle in Tottenham, north London, was his - and his mother tongue may well have been French - though, to be fair, his mother had the Gaelic.

Wallace was a real enough Scot. He didn't use blue & white face paint though - that fashion dates back all the way to the late 1980s.

It would be nice to know exactly what did happen to John Comyn as well. The Pope thought badly enough of it to excommunicate Bruce...

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quote:
Originally posted by Royal Peculiar:
How widely spoken is Spanish in the US?. I've heard vague reports about road signs in California being in Spanish and English and that Governor Bush (as he then was) learnt Spanish in order to communicate with many Texans for whom it was thre first language. The White House website is also available in Spanish.

The only place in the US I've ever been for more than a weekend (& it wasn't much more than a weekend) is Houston. Where hearing Spanish spoken in a shop or office seems to be about as common as hearing an Irish or Scots accent here in London. In other words really, really, common.

Of course most of the US isn't like that.

The definition of "Hispanic" in the US is really mixed up, because their laws require them to make intellectually untenable distinctions between "race" and "ethnicity" in order to partition electoral districts fairly between groups - as if any partitioning out to arbitrarily defined groups can be fair. The census has recently moved to using self-described origins to apportion people to ethnic groups, but some other laws still require "race" to be recorded.

At the widest it can mean anyone who speaks Spanish - but it can also include native Americans of Central or South American origin, and just about anyone from the mostly black old Spanish colonies of the Caribbean. And sometimes it doesn't include actual Spanish people from Spain! (cf the way that Americans from Africa don't neccessarily count as African-Americans) And sometimes it can include people from the Philipines who speak some Spanish as a 2nd or 3rd language.

Actually, why read my BS? Here is a link to the US Census Bureau report The Hispanic Population in the United States: March 2000.

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Louise
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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by kenwritez:
Now, what about all this Robert the Bruce stuff? My pop culture and "Braveheart"-inspired understanding of English history crammed sideways into my tinytiny brain tells me the English king(s) sent troops into Scotland and Ireland to pacify the natives and ensure the productivity of both the absentee noble landlords as well as those noble landowners present.

Maybe... or it could be that the Frenchified Normans who ran England fell out with the Frenchified Normans who ran Scotland & the Scots lot took refuge in nationalistic rhetoric to get some support from the common people. A bit like the way Saddam Hussein seemed discover that he had been a Muslim all along sometime in late 1990.

Robert the Bruce, or should I say...

[Monty Phythonesque stage French accent ON]
Robert de Brus
[Monty Phythonesque stage French accent OFF]

had as many lands in England as in Scotland - Bruce Castle in Tottenham, north London, was his - and his mother tongue may well have been French - though, to be fair, his mother had the Gaelic.

Wallace was a real enough Scot. He didn't use blue & white face paint though - that fashion dates back all the way to the late 1980s.

It would be nice to know exactly what did happen to John Comyn as well. The Pope thought badly enough of it to excommunicate Bruce...

Do you mean Raibeart Brus? His family had been in Scotland over a hundred years and married into the line of the ancient Lordship of Galloway. It's also not true that they had more lands in England than in Scotland. They had some possessions there but their heartland was in Annandale and Gaelic-speaking Carrick (with some interests in Ireland). Though he undoubtedly spoke Norman French, he was more Gaelic than Gallic.

He was excommunicated twice. Once for murdering John Comyn at the High altar of the Church of the Greyfriars in Dumfries ( It was a misunderstanding! It could happen to anyone - OK?), the second time for opposing the Pope's nominees to the Scottish Bishoprics (the famous declaration of Arbroath is about the latter excommunication).

Anyway - lay off him! None of this 'Bruce was a Frenchy and only Wallace was Scottish' nonsense both were Scots, and King Edward of England was an international war criminal who murdered the good citizens of Berwick [Razz]

L.

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Where i live, Spanish is widely spoken. In fact some people live all there lives speaking Spanish never learning English (mostly older women).

I lived in Florida and learned some Spanish and then moved to California later. My Spanish really really sux rocks, but I still communicate with the cleaning lady at work since i know common phrases.

Most stuff here is in English & Spanish as are many streets. Alameda de Las pulgas is the street my synagogue is on (church...but we rent a synagogue on Sundays to meet in). It means Tree-Lined Avenue of the fleas...cute, huh?

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Many different languages in my area. Multiple forms of Chinese; Vietnamese, Japanese, Cambodian, Hmong (not sure of the name of their language), Thai, Russian, Spanish, Filipino, Arabic...

If someone prints multi-lingual info here, it's usually some combination of English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Russian.

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Golden Key has a good point about the Bay Area. Shoot, some years ago we had tons of Serbs and Croations too.

Right now, there is a Marachi band playing outside my window at work. I enjoy a good fiesta as well as anybody but today I am not in the mood for this music since I can not hear Boston on my radio. Dangnabit.

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