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Hello,

Thank you for writing in to Safe Harbor with your concerns, I will be
happy to assist you.

We understand that you are upset at having seen certain Catholic items
or items related to the Pope on eBay, including item #6169851381.
Because eBay’s community is a diverse, international group of more than
135 million users with varied backgrounds and beliefs, there are times
when some items listed on eBay by sellers might be offensive to at least
some of our users somewhere in the world. At times, members may see
listings that they may consider morally wrong or objectionable. However,
even though these listings may be offensive to some, please remember
that most of the time the law does not prohibit the items.

Due to the fact that eBay’s focus is to have a free and diverse
community, we are reluctant to interfere with listings that are not
illegal. Regarding offensive items, there are many items that are
considered sacred to many people of various religions, and we sometimes
hear complaints about these items. Examples would be Catholic relics of
saints, Mormon (LDS) garments, certain Buddhist tablets, etc. However,
eBay has made the decision not to prohibit any item only on the basis of
the item being endowed with sacred properties by certain religious
groups. In general, eBay will remove items for a violation of our
Offensive Materials policy only in extreme examples in which the listing
explicitly promotes hatred, violence, or racial intolerance. However, we
do not remove religious items that are otherwise legal for sale and do
not violate any other eBay listing policy.

Please keep in mind that many of us at eBay may also share your distaste
with an item, and may not support the sale. In fact, eBay has many
Catholic employees. However, we do our best to understand and tolerate
the many viewpoints held by our worldwide community. The Eucharist is
not illegal to sell, and is generally allowed on eBay as long as the
seller does not otherwise include hateful text or images in the listing.
Although we realize that you may not agree with this decision on eBay’s
part, we hope that you can respect the diverse and open nature of eBay’s
marketplace.

We do appreciate you writing in to express your concerns.

Regards,

Birke T.
eBay Community Watch

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Originally posted by Back-to-Front:
"Please keep in mind that many of us at eBay may also share your distaste with an item, and may not support the sale. In fact, eBay has many Catholic employees."

This sounded very personal, at least to my reading. I think this person agrees with your position and is expressing that as much as possible within job constraints.

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
(I would love to see this thread closed again!)

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I'd like to ask why, if the Queen is the head of the church in the UK, nobody in the course of this surreal, meandering 17-page thread has yet objected to her on the grounds of her being a woman.

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Because if Anglo-Catholics started objecting to old Queens the Catholic Movement of England would collapse.

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Don't get me started about the Monarchy, I think they are sucking the money out of the good working british person. Why should they be treated any differently to any of us? It's not fair!
I personally would like to see them chucked off their throne, kicked out of their homes, their money taken from them and fairly distributed amoung the people and told to get jobs like the rest of us!

-103

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
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You are always free to stop reading it, which has the effect of closing the thread as far as you are concerned. Works for me when I don't like a thread.

On the other hand, if you continue to read it and feel compelled to respond to what you consider mistaken (or worse) beliefs and practices and points of view, then that's your personal problem, so deal with it.

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He did stop reading it. For about 20 seconds after he posted a apology and announced that he was withdrawing from discussion.

Then the Ship's stormtroopers hunted him down, put a gun to his head, and demanded that he post again.



Alternatively, he apologised and pretended to leave the thread, thinking that would stop people whaling on him for being a fuckwit. In his fuckwittery, he then returned, thinking he'd get a free pass out of the shitstorm he had raised. Sadly, the denizens are brighter than he is, and weren't fooled.

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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Personally I think the argument that women could be priests is quite weak since we don't see women taking that role but in the NT. I think the argument that they should be Bishops or Deacons is quite strong since a number of women seem to be taking those roles.

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I think they are sucking the money out of the good working british person. Why should they be treated any differently to any of us? It's not fair!

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then you have to wear the vicissitudes of market forces - ebay's choice to make what to some is a piece of bread (viz Nightlamp) and to others is a sign of sacred faith is a simply free market decision.

The occasional theocratic dictator has had different approaches: don't like the Monarch? Chop off her head and destroy all the monasteries in Britain. Dear Saint Oliver shared your values, 103 (that's One Oh Three, suckers). Don't like irreligious western iconaclasm and capitalism run wild? Then overthrow the government and install blessed Ayatollah Khomeni as illustrious leader.

Now if you happen in a moment of insight to install His Zappaness as world theocratic dicator and guardian of all truth, let me tell you who I will lead like a lamb to slaughter: It will be people who pontificate about the sole and exclusive truth (no tautology there) of their solepsistic religious world view, then in a moment of humanity graciously apologize and withdraw from an argument/debate, only to return with bells and smells and supercillious self-righteousness in sevenfold renewal to bleat on and on and on about all things incompatible with their world view.

Fortunately I wouldn't really lead them to a literal slaughter, because I'm going to be a benevolent theocratic dictator. I'd just excercise free market choice and lead them to a gaol under, say, militant theocratic (Muslim or US military) management for a little bit of soul search time.

And - oh damn. As anyone who knows me IRL could attest, I'm terribly forgetful. Now where did I put the key?

Buddy - please don't apologize and then go on peddling the nappywearing bullshit you were peddling pre-apology.

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Er...do we see *anyone* taking the role of priest in the NT?

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I don't see why they should change their policy about selling a piece of bread.

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
Don't get me started about the Monarchy

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I think they are sucking the money out of the good working british person.

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Why should they be treated any differently to any of us?

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I personally would like to see them chucked off their throne, kicked out of their homes,

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their money taken from them and fairly distributed amoung the people

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
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just the one? well, that's not so bad, is it?


(I do like this thread, athough I have no real idea why I do so!)

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Originally posted by Eliab:
It's a cheap shot, I know, but DO you have a job? (And I don't mean a paper round).

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
I suggest that more people email eBay they will HAVE to change their policy because of popular demand.

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Originally posted by Eliab:
[...] Because kingship is instituted of God and delights the hearts of free men...

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On reflection this: >snip< was more than a cheap shot, and was playing the man, not the ball. 103 has every right to his views whatever his employment record.

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Eliab is possibly missing the point - as a schoolboy, 103 (no hyphen) doesn't have an employment record and, ergo, it's somewhat presumptuous of him to be telling other people to get a job.

In the same way it sticks in the craw to hear the monarch decried as a fiscal parasite by somebody whose contribution to the economy is all in the red column - free education, free health care, free dental care, free eye tests, free prescriptions, Child Benefit, no VAT on clothes. He even qualifies for cheap bus fares!

You soon get used to 103 (no hyphen) - he comes online, trots out some shit theory, he gets severely scorched by the rest of the board until somebody says "Take it easy, he's only young." He stamps his foot and says "'S not fair" and slams the door never to return...until...

And besides, this is Hell. Personal disparagement of the brain dead is compulsory here.

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Originally posted by GreyFace:
Presbyterpriests aren't all that bad though, when you get used to them.

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Sorry, Redcoat. This sad testimony was corrected at Yorktown in 1781.

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Back to the OP - I emailed eBay about changing their policy concerning the Blessed Sacrament this is what I recieved back:
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I suggest that more people email eBay they will HAVE to change their policy because of popular demand.

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(Has anybody else noticed that 103's literary style somewhat resembles that of Queen Victoria's private letters? Particularly where she talks about Gladstone. Or is it just me?)

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Was it QV who complained that Mr Gladstone talked to her as if she were a public meeting?
In which case, would that make 103 a Gladstone clone? Or a QV clone? Not sure which is worse...

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Don't know Nightlamp, but are you trying to summon up the Catholic heavy artillery with this?

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I don't see why they should change their policy about selling a piece of bread.

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I didn't think the thread needed much in the way of support meself.

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Surely that doesn't belong here

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Well I have been trying to think of a way of channelling Wood.

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Particularly where she talks about Gladstone. Or is it just me?)

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Originally posted by Papio.:
I know this a tangent, but if the British government stopped giving the Royals any of the money raised by taxation and instead used it to fund welfare prgrammes, for example, it wouldn't be robbery. It might be a shit idea as far as various people are concerned, but not robbery.

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I know this a tangent, but if the British government stopped giving the Royals any of the money raised by taxation and instead used it to fund welfare prgrammes, for example, it wouldn't be robbery. It might be a shit idea as far as various people are concerned, but not robbery.

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WEll if the nation did tear up the deal it made with the QUeen on her accession and stopped paying, presumably she would resume actual ownership of all the assets she turned over to the nation in return.

Last time I checked, the nation has won on that deal for several generations.

Which would mean LESS money for social programs and so on.

Unless you are actually saying you like the idea of unilaterally breaking a legal deal and want to deprive her of both her assets and the the income paid by the nation in return for using them.

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Presbyterpriests aren't all that bad though, when you get used to them.

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From what I understand, if you're holding something in your hand during a certain moment when Pope John Paul II spoke during his mass, whetever it becomes blessed.

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anything to do with planet earth - or has his buyer been 'done'

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I ate one wafer then I went back and got another one to save and he gave me another one, but I did get a very dirty look!

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this is the actual Eucharist I saved during the mass that I participated in on October 18th, 1998

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take less of a strict approach to the consumption & distribution of Communion than others on this thread (notably 103 ) and does that make them (esp 103 ) more authentic in their enactment / outworking of their transubstantiationary belief than the servers back in October '98? ad the

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would suggest that (if the seller is genuine) that the servers might have been aware of his having come back for second helpings.


103, even if I disagree utterly with most of what you say, I have to be impressed with your sincerity & single-minded unwaveringness of belief. It really does suggest that what you do, you "do it to the Lord", even if your zealous approach does sometimes use an armoured tank to crush a grape! As you become as ancient and wrinkly as some of the posters here, you've got plenty time to mellow in that regard though!

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Rebel Gort,

Yorktown was (much as it pains my English soul to write it) a French victory...

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(Has anybody else noticed that 103's literary style somewhat resembles that of Queen Victoria's private letters? Particularly where she talks about Gladstone. Or is it just me?)

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Was it QV who complained that Mr Gladstone talked to her as if she were a public meeting?
In which case, would that make 103 a Gladstone clone? Or a QV clone? Not sure which is worse...

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Beloved child, I cannot say what my feelings of horror and indignation are, or how frightfully iniquitous I think this declaration of war! My heart boils and bleeds at the thought of what misery and suffering will be caused by this act of mad folly! And just when all that we and Leopold B. were asked to obtain to settle the question had been obtained!

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Don't you just love the phrase "popular demand"? I know I do. It sounds so energetic or something. And so right. Of course it also makes me think of torch-carrying peasants marching on the castle. Or possibly a Betty Hutton musical being held over for a second week at the Bijou. But not a lot of outraged church-going types picketing e-Bay. (How would you picket e-Bay, come to think of it?)

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Makes me think of a bustling day at an IKEA twice yearly sale. "We demand a break on Billy wall units! Yes, we do!"

By the way, a surprisingly long, involved post from the master of brevity. Glad to see you back, Sine.

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was this claim by the seller:

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Originally posted by rosamundi:
"Talking through his hat" is a polite way of describing it. That bottle-opener is no more blessed than the four in my kitchen drawer.

Certainly the Eucharistic Ministers should not have permitted him to take a second Host, but I imagine that it's a bit difficult to keep track of everyone at a Papal Mass.

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I also completely fail to see why the Monarchy is a symbol of freedom.

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It's always good to hear something good about France. Thanks!

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