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Cosmo
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A quick mention by the HF that only 'proper' celebrations of the liturgy and only 'proper' celebrations of the Mass are to be tolerated.
The cameraman did a good job in avoiding the sight of Cardinal Law as the Pontiff spoke of World Youth Day.
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No wonder he looks knackered; he must have been up all night writing this. It's going on a bit. Good stuff tho about the need for 'purification of the memory' and that he will do all in his power to promote the cause of ecumenism.
No doubt then he will be glad to celebrate my 10 am mass next Friday fortnight whilst I get my hair cut.
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Found the link now. Nasty oatmeal backdrop and frightfully Anglican looking mitre.
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Cosmo
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Heartwarming that the servers are gossiping and laughing at the side whilst Benny drones on.
And here we go with the ritual praising of Mary and the saints. But not for long.
That's nice. He's just given me his Apostolic Blessing and the Cardinals have given him a round of applause.
Oh God, 'Sister Janet' is back and is saying that 'that was an absolutely wonderful homily'. As though she was going to turn to 'Father Kevin' and say 'well that was a crock of shite wasn't it?'.
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Cosmo
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The Halleujah Chorus is being played on a Bontempi organ as they go out and Sister Janet is telling us that 'He'll be right'; this an old Lancastrian comment.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
'Ite' intoned nicely, but no alleluias?
Of course not. Alleluias stop after Low Sunday.
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Cosmo
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The Organist is playing as though he's wearing boxing gloves. And was it my imagination or was the Pope wearing a pair of brown shoes? Maybe they were buskins? Makes a change from JP II and his Nike trainers with the flash rubbed out.
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Deon
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
'Ite' intoned nicely, but no alleluias?
Of course not. Alleluias stop after Low Sunday.
Cosmo
Is that really so??? We always have them all the way through Eastertide .... which does seem excessive. I'd love to get Fr to put a stop to it - does Ritual Notes have an entry?
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
The Organist is playing as though he's wearing boxing gloves.
I think it's because he doubles as carilloneur.
Cheers
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Deon:
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
'Ite' intoned nicely, but no alleluias?
Of course not. Alleluias stop after Low Sunday.
Cosmo
Is that really so??? We always have them all the way through Eastertide .... which does seem excessive. I'd love to get Fr to put a stop to it - does Ritual Notes have an entry?
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Deon:
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
'Ite' intoned nicely, but no alleluias?
Of course not. Alleluias stop after Low Sunday.
Cosmo
Is that really so??? We always have them all the way through Eastertide .... which does seem excessive. I'd love to get Fr to put a stop to it - does Ritual Notes have an entry?
Yes. Look up 'Eastertide' and see Note 249 (d) which tells you when to do the Alleluias in the Easter season. It says that the Alleluias are discontinued after the Saturday of the Easter Octave.
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Originally posted by MarkthePunk:
O. K. So now he's giving the homily AFTER the Lord's Supper?
Does that mean that he recognises the sermon as the climax of the service and has given it the due place of honour?
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
A quick mention by the HF that only 'proper' celebrations of the liturgy and only 'proper' celebrations of the Mass are to be tolerated.
Those'd be the ones where two candles are placed on one end of God's board and a spider plant on the other?
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Did the Swiss Guard have a new flag for the new Pope? That would be impressive.
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Well I've missed all of his "first Mass". Does anyone know if (and if so, where) his inaugural Mass is going to be televised on Sunday?
On papal tat: Bonaventura kindly supplied this link to one of the UK's more high quality newpapers from the "New Pope!" thread up in Purgatory. There's definitely a white cassock sleeve there, but it's much too short. Also a hint of lace or at least drawn-thread work on the rochet. Pity the stole was all crooked. It's very pretty. Does anyone make copies? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Also a hint of lace or at least drawn-thread work on the rochet.
I'm reasonably sure it's drawn threadwork - was admiring it last night on the telly. It's one of my favourite forms of decoration - I keep meaning to put a line across the top of my bedsheets, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
A quick mention by the HF that only 'proper' celebrations of the liturgy and only 'proper' celebrations of the Mass are to be tolerated.
Those'd be the ones where two candles are placed on one end of God's board and a spider plant on the other?
I'm hoping that Benny was saying to everybody 'Take a good look all you Bugnini-wannabees 'cos you're not going to see this sort of rubbish much longer'.
However, I fear that one problem with Benedict as Pope is that he probably had a bit more obvious liturgical power before his elevation. I suspect it might depend on whom he appoints as Prefect in his place.
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Fiddleback
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
However, I fear that one problem with Benedict as Pope is that he probably had a bit more obvious liturgical power before his elevation. I suspect it might depend on whom he appoints as Prefect in his place.
I think Benny deliberately dumbed down the liturgy - it was clearly not the sort of thing he has advocated in some of his writings - in order to give a bit of reassurance to those who think he's too conservative and reactionary. It was his version of Tony Blair's 'Hey, I'm just an ordinary kinda guy, you know'. If the new pope had been someone like Kasper or Martini, he'd have done the mass at the real altar in a Roman chazzie, lace alb and 3' tall Counter Reformation mitre for the same reason.
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Cosmo - thank you! I was out at work so missed Benny's first Mass, but your blow by blow commentary was both informative and hilarious.
On the original question - does anyone know when the inaugaration will be on TV? What with funerals and weddings the Radio Times has been really buggered about recently!
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Good heavens. The first running Mass commentary in Ship history.
But back to coronations,
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Hooker - why is Paul VI's crown in Washington DC?
According to this incredibly informative site:
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Pope Paul's tiara was presented to the National Shrine of the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC by the Apostolic Delegate to the United States on February 6, 1968 as a gesture of Pope Paul VI's affection for the Catholic Church in the United States. It is on permanent display in Memorial Hall along with the stole of Pope John XXIII, which he wore at the opening of the Second Vatican Council.
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
There is no coronation. If I understand correctly John Paul II (or was it JP1?) Abolished the coronation ceremony.
A Coronation ceremony sounds a little too much anyway for a "Simple worker"
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The coronation has not been abolished. JPI simply decided to be installed by being invested with the pallium and any new pope could choose to be crowned again - with the triple tiara, since his 3 dominions still apply. Fat chance that will ever happen though. Who wants to be labeled as "the pompous ass who brought it all back"? ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Congrats to Cosmo for the blow by blow account. Perhaps you could do the same for Sunday's installation/induction - perhaps Benedict may be wearing scarf and hood....
In terms of old fashioned ritual I was pleased to see the breaking of the host over the chalice. Good to see Papa is ignoring the GIRM! He also made the sign of the cross with the host before receiving, which is considered 'old fashioned'.
No Sticky Fingers tho' ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Came across a piccy of John Paul the Great showing how its done...... Sticky Fingers!
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For those of you who missed the programme earlier its being repeated NOW (22:22pm London time)
Got as far as the Gosepl.
http://www.ewtn.com
then click on multimedia and choose between rela video or windows media (real video works better from my experience.
Enjoy!
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I am still trying to figure out what kind of a mass this was. CNN televeised the event introducing it as the Benedict's (I still keep thinking of him as Ratzinger!) private mass with the cardinals.
OK there was a deacon singing the gospel and the Mass was sung which made me think its a solemn mass. But why no smoke??? (Are there fears for the art work?) And what is with this heretical practice of intinction? I thought that was seen as one of the absues that were to be stamped out under the new rules?
Personally I would have preferred tohave seen communion delivered on the tongue only with the communicants in a prayerful kneeling position for this event. For those of us who love the Tridentine rite (ok we are a minority) Benedict is seen as a great defender of the rite and has celebtated it himself on several occassions, as well as sorting out hard line bishops who have banned their priests from celebrating it.
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Intinction is only an "abuse" when people do it themselves, rather than letting the minister intinct the host and place it on their tongue. The cardinals got to self-intinct because they are conelebrants, not mere lay-trash. Why they did not drink from the chalice (as most did at the funeral) is a mystery.
I thought the best moment was when the concelebrant to Benedict's right flubbed the Pope's name in the Eucharistic Prayer. He first prayer for John Paul (out of habit?) and then went back and prayed for Benedict, but then had to take a minute to figure out how to say "the sixteenth" in Latin. Not that I fault him for this; I would probably had to pull out Wheelock (ordinal numbers being a weak point of mine).
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Well, it will be interesting if the eastward position returns to favour. As cardinal the new Pope wrote a compelling appeal to return to celebrating in that fashion. His underlying theme was putting Our Lord first and directing the priest and worshippers toward the Almighty and away from what he considered a closed circle which did not serve the ideals of worship opening outward and artificially forcing the priest to be the central focus. It was certainly balm to my sensibilities.
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Fiddleback
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And here is what we can hope to see once Benny has chucked out all that nasty Gamarelli's 'tat'.
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Anybody noticed that Benedict XVI looks like Fester Addams?
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FCB
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What I want to know is what Fiddleback and Henry are doing up at this ungody (UK) hour.
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
Anybody noticed that Benedict XVI looks like Fester Addams?
-103
You're right! This is a deeply unreasonable way to react to anyone, but he does look scary to me.
(And does anyone know when the installation will be on TV?)
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Maniple
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The Installation is at 9am UK time.
The UK networks haven't got it on their schedules.
The Eternal Word Television Network is showing it.
Solemn Mass of Inauguration of Pope Benedict XVI, Live
LIVE:
April 24, 4 AM ET
Repeats:
April 24, 10 AM ET, 3 PM ET
April 25, 12 AM ET, 4 AM ET, 1 PM ET, 5 PM ET
These are Eastern Times - add 5 hrs if in UK.
http://www.ewtn.com
then follow link to multimedia, live tv, real video / windows media.
I hope to be able to see 1/2hr live before having to go to Mass, then will be able to see the repeat.
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I must be getting old... I not only think that Benedict is a handsome man but that the MC who stands to his left is stunning... but I digress...
Anyone who has not read Benedict's "Spirit of the Liturgy" (no doubt, borrowing Guardini's title was deliberate) probably would enjoy it immensely. It almost made me wish for silent Canons. (Yes, we'd all like a few Canons to keep silent - in this case, I meant Eucharistic Prayers.)
I cannot imagine why concelebrants would receive the wine by intinction - that is new to me. (I dislike intinction in any case, but do not think I've ever seen concelebrants not drink from the chalice.)
I shall add both a ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) and a ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) for Cosmo's wonderful commentary on the Mass - this is one thread I'm going to be sure to save.
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Another big thank you to Cosmo! If you hadn't given your excellent report, I'd have missed a lot!
I have a musical question: Most of the chanting (and it seemed they didn't know the chant very well) was the Missa Marialis, but where did they get that Gloria in Excelsis?
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Deon said: quote:
I think it's because he doubles as carilloneur.
Should I be concerned? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
I have a musical question: Most of the chanting (and it seemed they didn't know the chant very well) was the Missa Marialis, but where did they get that Gloria in Excelsis?
I read that it was Mass IX "Cum Iubilo" , but frankly can't remember the Gloria well enough to say (you can hear the Gloria here and decide for yourself). I know the Sanctus and Agnus Dei were from this and I think they are part of what Anglicans call the "Missa Marialis." But the Gloria might be different.
As to the quality of the singing, it sounded like someone close to a microphone (one of the concelebrants?) was, shall we say, musically challenged.
FCB
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Speaking of the First Mass, the pics I saw on the news wires had Benedict in a gold chausable. I thought gold was for Easter Day only. Am I missing something here?
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Gold can be used frequently - IIRC, at any time when white could. Before the advent of cassock albs and odd stoles, gold was often used for Sundays and major feasts. It never was restricted to Easter Day in the RC church.
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Originally posted by Newman's Own:
I must be getting old... I not only think that Benedict is a handsome man but that the MC who stands to his left is stunning... but I digress...
Anyone who has not read Benedict's "Spirit of the Liturgy" (no doubt, borrowing Guardini's title was deliberate) probably would enjoy it immensely. It almost made me wish for silent Canons. (Yes, we'd all like a few Canons to keep silent - in this case, I meant Eucharistic Prayers.)
I cannot imagine why concelebrants would receive the wine by intinction - that is new to me. (I dislike intinction in any case, but do not think I've ever seen concelebrants not drink from the chalice.)
I shall add both a and a for Cosmo's wonderful commentary on the Mass - this is one thread I'm going to be sure to save.
Is the MC an ordained priest too? I thought it looked like he had a clerical collar! Who is he??? and I wonder where he is from?
Preheps we ought to make some Vatican Top Trump cards!
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Well the English Missal (Missale Anglicanum) certainly provides Propers for Mass on the day of a Papal Coronation. I used them on Wednesday morning.
For what it's worth I'm not sure whether a 'Coronation' is quite in keeping with the beginning of a modern Pontificate. However there will be an inauguration ceremony on Sunday and if it's broadcast I'll either get it videoed or see it live, depending on what time it's at.
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Thank you, FCB, for the link to that Gloria. It is definitely the Missa cum Jubilo Gloria, rather than the Missa Marialis Gloria.
I too am "Musically Challenged", but thought the singing at the Mass for the Cardinals needed a bit of work.
However, they all looked very tired.
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
Preheps we ought to make some Vatican Top Trump cards!
Splendid idea 103 (no hyphen). Imagine the joy of sitting, after a picnic at Walsingham or Glastonbury - "You'll have a gin and a round of Top Trumps before you go Father?"
Now let's see, what categories could be included?
Newman's Own Fanciability Rating*...Tat quotient...Number of Occasions spotted in tiara...
"Self: NOFR*?"
"Fr: Only four, It's John XXIII."
"Self: Ha! I've got Ben XVI..it's a ten...unbeatable!"
[Assumes reminiscing expression, generally happy, yet tinged with a hint of Maudlin.]
Ah! Were my prep school days really so long ago...? [/R.E.]
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AHHHH - I have a Pius X card, that means I win all!
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Papal coronations and all that remind me of something I vaguely remember hearing about a chap called Cardinal Siri (?) who was supposed to have been elected instead of John XXIII - I think when I came across the story, it had been put about by some rabidly anti-Novus Ordo types. Would anyone with a knowledge of this sort of conspiracy theory mind enlightening me?
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AHHHH - I have a Pius X card, that means I win all!
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Of whom I saw a secondary relic in a shop window only this very day. What's more, I had gone a different way from my habitual one simply because I felt like it!
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
Papal coronations and all that remind me of something I vaguely remember hearing about a chap called Cardinal Siri (?) who was supposed to have been elected instead of John XXIII - I think when I came across the story, it had been put about by some rabidly anti-Novus Ordo types. Would anyone with a knowledge of this sort of conspiracy theory mind enlightening me?
Too much reading of Novus Ordo Watch will turn you into a monster (like me)
Take the Cardinal Siri story with a pinch of salt, it's all rather weird.
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
Papal coronations and all that remind me of something I vaguely remember hearing about a chap called Cardinal Siri (?) who was supposed to have been elected instead of John XXIII - I think when I came across the story, it had been put about by some rabidly anti-Novus Ordo types. Would anyone with a knowledge of this sort of conspiracy theory mind enlightening me?
Too much reading of Novus Ordo Watch will turn you into a monster (like me)
Take the Cardinal Siri story with a pinch of salt, it's all rather weird.
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That's the one.
Yes, it is rather weird, but I was simply hoping that someone who, for instance, was around at the time, might be able to say "ah yes, we remember him; terribly odd, wasn't it?" or "Total nutbar. Painted Genoa cathedral lime green and declared himself to be a pincushion." Either way, it saves me from reading Novus Ordo Watch.
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Hate to burst your bubble about the Mass setting, but it wasn't Cum Jubilo (ix For Feasts of the Blessed Virgin 1); it was De Angelis (viii. For Doubles). It's the only one that the Sistine Choir knows (trust me on this). Both were inappropriate. It should have been Lux et Origo (i. in Paschal time). NB: They did Credo iii; s/h/b i.
BTW: ""Cum jubilo" is the same as the so-called "Missa Marialis." We have the latter name thanks to Healy Willan of blessed memory. There is no "Missa Marialis" in the Roman Kyriale.
For liturgical reasons alone, I am delighted that Benedict is pope. He tried to sing along at the Funeral on the Credo (because he knew the tone). But Msr. Liberto, the director of the Sistine Choir, has been f***ing w/ the Ordinary for years. That dialogic s**t in the Credo was his invention. That it was reserved for the people and supposed to be sung in directum notwithstanding, he strophed it so his Sistina could sing stuff. The bastard. We'll, he'll be out on his pompadored ass toot sweet.
And Marini, the Master of Ceremonies for St. Peter's, who choreographed so many of JPII's dog and pony shows, was NOT IN EVIDENCE for any of the masses.
The Funeral was Benedict's; so was the votive Mass for the election of the Supreme Pontiff. Who cares what he wore! He reigned in the sloppiness significantly with little time or authority. I can't wait to see what he does to improve the liturgy of the Universal Church.
Benedict loves the liturgy of the Church, and believes the Vatican II document (Sacrosanctum Concillium) that gives Gregorian chant "pride of place" in the liturgy.
BTW: the organist's name is Jimmy, and he's from Omaha. He has little to work with in terms of the POS instruments. The organ in St. Peter's is a 4-division monstrosity that they have set up behind the baldochino and in front of the Chair altar. There is not a stop on it that doesn't suck. And for Masses in the Square, they roll out a little portativ and stick a microphone in its guts. Remember, these folks have racial memories of the Romans gutting them out in the circuses to the tune of water-pressure organs. I'm not surprised that when it comes to instrument building, they're a bit conflicted.
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these folks have racial memories of the Romans gutting them out in the circuses to the tune of water-pressure organs. I'm not surprised that when it comes to instrument building, they're a bit conflicted.
Oh, Tomb...that explains everything.
As an Orthodox Christian, I think I will now make a Novena to St. Healey Willan asking that when the Church is finally one again, the Sistine Choir be prohibited in perpetuum from using any form of Znamenny Chant.
Tone deaf after only a few days of this stuff,
Leetle M.
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