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Ok, maybe Quickbird then.
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Orbit
Altitude: 450km - 98 degree, sun-synchronous inclination
Revisit frequency: 1 to 3.5 days depending on latitude at 70-cm resolution
Viewing angle: Agile spacecraft, in-track and cross-track pointing
Period 93.4 minutes
So I'll have whichever length of time means I'm still in the game!!
(Sorry to have hogged all the other ones too! ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif) )
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NOAA 15 will take 100 minutes to travel right around the world according to this site
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Reminder to folks - you can find the orbital period of pretty much any artificial satellite on the site I posted earlier.
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Originally posted by Custard.:
Reminder to folks - you can find the orbital period of pretty much any artificial satellite on the site I posted earlier.
You're wonderful.
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I know Also-Ran Tom Day already entered this one, but when I found it, I found the orbital period to be different than what he'd recorded.
So on that basis, I choose Envisat with an orbital period of 101 minutes.
(What an obscure question... )
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Originally posted by christianjimmy:
I'm going for Landsat 5 which is a plain old bog standard observation satellite, taking 16 days to orbit the earth.
I found this page rather handy... partial list of earth observation satellites ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) Ahem.
My lack of technical know how, and failure to understand anything in physics beyond the age of 14 has led me to make a small error.
Ahem.
As shown by this website shamefaced-admittance-of-error.com, apparently the landsat5 takes just 99 minutes to orbit the earth, and the figure of 16 days is how long it takes to cover the entire earth.
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Tom Day
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An off topic / on topic kinda post - anyone else found the Space program on BBC2 god fun? I'ts been about the best thing on TV recently I think.
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
GMS-1/Himawari-1
It may throw off the orbiting calculations. Its in geosynchronous orbit.
well, if we consider QM's satement of:
The time taken for your choice to complete one circumnavigation.
to mean the time it takes for the satellite to end up in the same place, then for a geosynchronous orbit that will be 1 day, surely.
currently (and not counting any of Tom's suggestions as actual answers), the current average is 2752 minutes (45.8 hours, just under 2 days) so currently in danger is Chandra
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Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
(and not counting any of Tom's suggestions as actual answers)
I'm just trying to help ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(And putting off doing anything useful!)
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Originally posted by Pânts:
Ok, maybe Quickbird then.
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Orbit
Altitude: 450km - 98 degree, sun-synchronous inclination
Revisit frequency: 1 to 3.5 days depending on latitude at 70-cm resolution
Viewing angle: Agile spacecraft, in-track and cross-track pointing
Period 93.4 minutes
So I'll have whichever length of time means I'm still in the game!!
That'll be the "period" then - 93.4 minutes.
The revisit frequency is how soon it looks at the same place on the planet.
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quote:
Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
[...] currently (and not counting any of Tom's suggestions as actual answers), the current average is 2752 minutes (45.8 hours, just under 2 days) so currently in danger is Chandra
Umm, Chandra was chosen by RD Olivaw and I don't see him/her on the current qualifiers list. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
There are 5 qualifiers yet to post. [tick, tick, tick...]
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here is SPOT
see SPOT's details (well, SPOT 2's details to be precise)
my choice - SPOT 2
Orbital Period 101.4 minutes.
which keeps Chandra close to the Average, but GMS Hinari 1's getting close
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Originally posted by Tom Day:
An off topic / on topic kinda post - anyone else found the Space program on BBC2 god fun? I'ts been about the best thing on TV recently I think.
Tom
So...something God enjoys, eh? I can just see God going "Wheeeee!!"
[False alarm, thought I put the italics in the wrong place.]
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Radarsat 1. It's Canadian, would you believe
Time for one orbit - 100.7 minutes
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Radarsat 1. It's Canadian, would you believe
Time for one orbit - 100.7 minutes
Hey - I put that one yesterday evening. As a Spaceman, I'd have thought you'd have found something original!
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Interplanetary
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How 'bout GSAT-3. Ya had that yet?
It has 01.00272681 revolutions per day, wwhich I calculate to be one every 23.9347345 hours...
My thoughts on your little game of "list loads of satellites to see if I can knock someone out" are best left unrecorded ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) ...
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Fortunately, he was just too late to nick mine! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Okean-3
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OKEAN-3 was launched on June 4, 1991, by the U.S.S.R. utilizing the TSIKLON booster rocket.
Initial orbital parameters: period 97.8 min, apogee 679 km, perigee 652 km, inclination 82.5 deg.
The main mission of the spacecraft is to obtain oceanographic and polar region ice information and data.
The above info was found on this website
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To one aged smurf. You may wish to ask one of the ships physicists but I believe to "circumnavigate" the earth would mean to go around the earth relative to the earth. Otherwise we would all be orbiting the earth right now racing at the speed of over 1,000 mph. My I am faster than I thought.
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quote:
Originally posted by rugasaw:
To one aged smurf. You may wish to ask one of the ships physicists but I believe to "circumnavigate" the earth would mean to go around the earth relative to the earth. Otherwise we would all be orbiting the earth right now racing at the speed of over 1,000 mph. My I am faster than I thought.
AND - Unless my maths fails me, a geostationary satellite takes an infinite amount of time to circumnavigate, which when all is added up and divided by a finite number creates an average of approximately infinity.
This should surely result in a high originality factor, but elimination from the contest.
Or is my analysis wrong?
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OH - and TOM DAY - Others please take note.
I can only accept your FIRST answer.
That answer has to be proven INVALID before you can have a second go.
N.B. I must write all these rules down. They were developed during the first three contests.
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Earthbound geostationary satellites orbit the Earth. If they didn't, they would fall to the ground. Whether or not they 'circumnavigate' is beside the point.
From the Moon, the Earth remains stationary relative to the observer, it doesn't rise or set against the horizon. Does that mean the Moon isn't a satellite of Earth?
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# 3630
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Originally posted by Quizmaster:
OH - and TOM DAY - Others please take note.
I can only accept your FIRST answer.
That answer has to be proven INVALID before you can have a second go.
Oh well, I had fun
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Custard
Shipmate
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One of the Ship's physicists here, though not exactly unbiased. Though I guess the chances of me being knocked out this round are very small, for reasons discussed above.
quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
2) The time taken for your choice to complete one circumnavigation.
"Circumnavigation" means "to go round" from the Latin "circum" - around and "navigare" - to navigate.
It's actually a problem of relativity here!
The conventional approach is to say that the Earth is spinning and that it is orbiting round the Sun. If this is the case, then geostationary satellites are orbiting the Earth once every 24 hours, even though they stay above the same point on the surface. So at some times they are on the Sun side of the Earth (day) and at some times they are on the other side of Earth (night).
When talking about events happening only on the Earth, it is sometimes convenient to speak as if the Earth were stationary. Hence "the sun rising", etc. It is in this sense that Magellan's expedition "circumnavigated" the Earth. However, if we keep this view when we think about space, geostationary satellites would be held in place by the balance between "centrifugal force" and gravity. In this case also, pretty much everything in the universe could be said to be circumnavigating Earth, taking 24 hours to do so (though in the case of the Sun, Moon, etc with wobbles every 365.24 or 28 days).
The reason that the first approach is to be preferred is these "centrifugal forces", and also the Coriolis force. If we treat the Earth as stationary, we need to add them in as unexplained forces acting on everything and they make any calculations really horrible. If we say that the Earth is moving, we don't.
Incidentally, the reason satellites orbit is due to a combination of their speeds and gravity. If they weren't moving, they would plummet to Earth. If there wasn't any gravity, they'd keep moving in a straight line at a constant speed and fly off into space.
So my conclusion is that it could be argued that geostationary satellites do "circumnavigate the Earth" in that they go round it, even though they remain above the same point on the surface.
On the other hand, it doesn't matter as it's the geostationary ones who come close to the average whether they are counted as 24 hour orbits or infinite time.
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I was only making a suggestion to try and make the calculations easier to follow.
It's completely up to QM ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) how he decides to work it all out.
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Wet Kipper
Circus Runaway
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Day:
quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
OH - and TOM DAY - Others please take note.
I can only accept your FIRST answer.
That answer has to be proven INVALID before you can have a second go.
Oh well, I had fun
Right.
so Tom's first entry was quickbird. he said it had a period of 1 day. THen pants also chose quickbird, and the info she posted showed it t have a period of 93.4 minutes.
does that mean that Tom's first, valid entry is
Aqua - period 99 mins ?
In which case, Marvin's first valid entry would be the Radarsat 1. (100.7 minutes)
If so, (and using my 24hr geostationary assumpition/suggestion from earlier), the average is closest to GMS Hinari 1
mind you, if Pure As the Yellow Driven Snow declines to post this round then it all becomes immaterial.
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Tom Day
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Maybe in the next round I'll just observe from a distance
But QM did say the also rans should be active...
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Chandra was chosen by RD Olivaw and I don't see him/her on the current qualifiers list
It's true... I was eliminated (I couldn't make it back in time to post another capital) but I submitted Chandra as an also-ran because I have a personal connection to that project and so I couldn't resist. BTW I am a her.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Day:
But QM did say the also rans should be active...
Active, dear. Not hyperactive.
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Ok I have almost flambayed myself. Depending on who gets it whether it be me, Tom Day or Pure as the Yellow Driven Snow. I put all in the all powerful Quizmaster's hands.
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Alfred E. Neuman
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Originally posted by R.D. Olivaw:
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Chandra was chosen by RD Olivaw and I don't see him/her on the current qualifiers list
It's true... I was eliminated (I couldn't make it back in time to post another capital) but I submitted Chandra as an also-ran because I have a personal connection to that project and so I couldn't resist. BTW I am a her.
Someone please help punch a correction or confirmation for this misunderstanding through my thick titanium skull: Submissions from those who have been eliminated affect averages and the round's next elimination?
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Originally posted by Gort:
Someone please help punch a correction or confirmation for this misunderstanding through my thick titanium skull: Submissions from those who have been eliminated affect averages and the round's next elimination?
[I will humbly accept demerits for my inability to find an answer in the rules]
To put it not-so-simply, we assume so.
Quiz Master says it is in Page 5, Paragraph 7, Section A, Subsection IX.
Perhaps Subsection X should outline whether or not averages will be affected by the Also-Rans' entries.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gort:
Earthbound geostationary satellites orbit the Earth. If they didn't, they would fall to the ground. Whether or not they 'circumnavigate' is beside the point.
From the Moon, the Earth remains stationary relative to the observer, it doesn't rise or set against the horizon. Does that mean the Moon isn't a satellite of Earth?
Actually, I think that means that the Earth isn't a satellite of the Moon!
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Quizmaster
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There has been so much rule bending this time around that I shall wait and see before the next round tonight whether Pure as Snow has found an internet cafe or is completely cut off from civilisation before I post my entry.
Rule) First ENTRY counts unless it is proven invalid, only then can you pick another satellite.
Rule) Also-Rans may post but only their first entry counts and it is then denied to competitors.
Rule) All valid entries count (Competitors and Also-Rans) when it comes to the averages.
Rule) Breaking the rules and getting away with it is part of the fun but can lead to disqualification.
Rule) A piece of wood or plastic 12 inches long.
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You forgot the rule about wearing a crown and bossing everyone about, Quizmaster.
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CROWN placed upon head.
"Get down off the High Horse woman!"
CROWN removed.
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My choice:
Don't click the link if you are on dial-up.
Sputnik 1
Orbital Period : 96.2 minutes.
Get Your Facts Here
Laika was the first dog in space on Sputnik 2.
Sigourney Weaver was the last one I saw in space.
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quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
For this round I need two distinct pieces of information:
1) The name of the satellite orbitting the earth.
Sputnik-1 isn't orbitting the Earth - from your article:
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Sputnik 1 was launched by an R-7 rocket. It incinerated upon re-entry on 3 January 1958.
Or have I misunderstood the term orbitting? I assumed it was in the present tense.
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Interplanetary
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Originally posted by Tom Day:
Or have I misunderstood the term orbitting? I assumed it was in the present tense.
As did I...
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Knocked into outer space:
Pure as the Driven Yellow Snow (failing to post)
Quizmaster (failing to read the exam question)
QUALIFIERS
Ann
Auntie Doris
Carex
Chorister
Christianjimmy
Custard
Gort
Hazey Jane
Hennah
Jedijudy
Marvin the Martian
Moth
MrSponge2U
Nutmeg
Pants
Papa Smurf
Professorkirke
Rugasaw
Smudgie
The Rogue
And now for something completely different...
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ROUND NINE: DIFFERENT FLAGS
The FLAG round proved extremely popular in a previous quiz so this time I want you to choose a flag representing a country, a state, an area or a region. You must post a link to a website with a picture of your chosen flag.
Your flag must be different from all the other flags chosen. We will use colour, shape, number of colours, number of shapes, horizontal, vertical, images and match each flag with all the others. The person choosing the flag with the most similarities will be eliminated.
Good luck and make your flag as unusual as possible.
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This may get me eliminated this round, but I feel that I have a duty to post the Guernsey flag.
Auntie Doris x
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St. Pierre & Miquelon
www.flags.net is really useful for this - it has loads and loads alphabetically so you get quite a few on a page.
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The flag, the flag and nothing but the flag.
Apparently, the ship represents the fact it's a colony; the three mini flags on the left the Basque Country, Brittany, and Normandy, where the colonists mostly came from.
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New Mexico, as shown on this page.
Ordinary rectangular shape, but uncommon symbols, number and choice of colours.
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