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Originally posted by Thurible:
I'm sure there's a Collect against Extravagance somewhere! [Biased]

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More sensibly...

Obviously, I haven't had a chance yet to ay how use-friendly it is, having only said Sext and None according to it today, but I feel right at home with this already. I suppose that, having trudged through the Anglican Breviary, this shouldn't be very different in terms of difficulty in growing accustomed to the rules. I have decided to wait for the SCPB kalendar and create an "ordo" (as it were) based on that, before I start observing the Proper of Saints and other Holy Days, except for the biggies of obvious significance. In the meantime, I'll stick with the temporale, which today, brings me to Thursday in the week of Easter IV.

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Originally posted by Saint Bertolin:
More sensibly...

Obviously, I haven't had a chance yet to ay how use-friendly it is, having only said Sext and None according to it today, but I feel right at home with this already. I suppose that, having trudged through the Anglican Breviary, this shouldn't be very different in terms of difficulty in growing accustomed to the rules. I have decided to wait for the SCPB kalendar and create an "ordo" (as it were) based on that, before I start observing the Proper of Saints and other Holy Days, except for the biggies of obvious significance. In the meantime, I'll stick with the temporale, which today, brings me to Thursday in the week of Easter IV.

My friend, you need to join this Yahoo group, if only for the files available there. Good discussion, too, from a Western Rite Orthodox perspective. They have ordos adapted to the WR kalendar.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the US Government has deigned to return the funds they had 'borrowed' from me, and I am now getting itchy breviary fingers. I've got the BCP and the CCP and the

I'd prefer something that's:
1) Anglican/Episcopalian
2) One volume
3) Has the little hours
4) Noted (gotta learn plainchant sometime)

None of these are deal breakers.

The only catch is, I can only afford something under $75 (including shipping), and I want it pretty soon, so it has to be something in print (I'm getting the leather bound 1979/NRSV for my birthday [Yipee] ).

So, what's the one prayer book that I absolutely, positively cannot live without?

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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
Ladies and gentlemen, the US Government has deigned to return the funds they had 'borrowed' from me, and I am now getting itchy breviary fingers. I've got the BCP and the CCP and the

I'd prefer something that's:
1) Anglican/Episcopalian
2) One volume
3) Has the little hours
4) Noted (gotta learn plainchant sometime)

None of these are deal breakers.

The only catch is, I can only afford something under $75 (including shipping), and I want it pretty soon, so it has to be something in print (I'm getting the leather bound 1979/NRSV for my birthday [Yipee] ).

So, what's the one prayer book that I absolutely, positively cannot live without?

The Saint Helena Breviary, Monastic Edition
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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
quote:
Originally posted by Saint Bertolin:
More sensibly...

Obviously, I haven't had a chance yet to ay how use-friendly it is, having only said Sext and None according to it today, but I feel right at home with this already. I suppose that, having trudged through the Anglican Breviary, this shouldn't be very different in terms of difficulty in growing accustomed to the rules. I have decided to wait for the SCPB kalendar and create an "ordo" (as it were) based on that, before I start observing the Proper of Saints and other Holy Days, except for the biggies of obvious significance. In the meantime, I'll stick with the temporale, which today, brings me to Thursday in the week of Easter IV.

My friend, you need to join this Yahoo group, if only for the files available there. Good discussion, too, from a Western Rite Orthodox perspective. They have ordos adapted to the WR kalendar.
You good, good man! I'll certainly join.

I think I may still need to formulate my own Ordo, though. The only WRite Orthodox I've come across who use this are from the AWRV, who use the Revised Julian Calendar, which means their superbly-compiled and often beautifully-produced Ordos aren't very helpful to anybody on the Julian Calendar like me. [Frown]

(Unless, of course, they're bi-calendarist and swing both ways [Biased] )

[ 25. May 2006, 18:03: Message edited by: Saint Bertolin ]

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(Unless, of course, they're bi-calendarist and swing both ways [Biased] )

I wasn't asking. [Two face]
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Originally posted by Saint Bertolin:
You good, good man! I'll certainly join.

[Axe murder]

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I think I may still need to formulate my own Ordo, though. The only WRite Orthodox I've come across who use this are from the AWRV, who use the Revised Julian Calendar, which means their superbly-compiled and often beautifully-produced Ordos aren't very helpful to anybody on the Julian Calendar like me. [Frown]
Oo...sorry. It's more than a matter of scribbling in some different numbers, eh? That's why I keep coming back to the modern stuff that matches our calendar at church: the Saint Helena Breviary. In their latest newsletter, one of the OSH sisters goes on about how after years of using big looseleaf binders, she loves going into the chapel and seeing the rows of neat black-covered breviaries with gold lettering. I hear ya, Sister! I can dig it. [Cool] Always able to resonate with a fellow breviary-lover.
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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
My friend, you need to join this Yahoo group, if only for the files available there. Good discussion, too, from a Western Rite Orthodox perspective.

Very good discussion: I've found. I've learnt a great deal.

And those files are a Godsend.

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still plodding along with Lauds, Vespers and the occasional Compline. At least on those days I catch the train to work.

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To anyone who is into Gregorian Chant: All Catholic Books have currently a sale of the Liber Usualis reprint from Bonaventure Publications for merely US$70. The regular price from the publisher is US$130 and old copies on eBay are usually between US$40-80. My copy is on the way...

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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. You can get a Liber on E-bay for less than $50. I have. Several times. Just be patient and check sellers' websites. If they've got scary pictures up, then count forward from the closing date of the sale by one day and send them an e-mail. They were probably attempting a Novena to somebody or other, and if you send them an e-mail after the nine days are up, they probably will assume that God was a little lax on his arithmetic and that God or the BVM wants you to have that book.
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old copies on eBay are usually between US$40-80.

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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. You can get a Liber on E-bay for less than $50.

Where's the contradiction? [Confused] But since we are at it, can someone clarify what the "numbering scheme" of the editions means? For example,the Bonaventure reprint is of No 801, the current eBay listings are of No 789 and 780. Is there any difference in content? Or is this just counting reprints of the same edition somehow?

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
quote:
Originally posted by Saint Bertolin:
You good, good man! I'll certainly join.

[Axe murder]
Well I'm in! [Smile]

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Oo...sorry. It's more than a matter of scribbling in some different numbers, eh?
Oh yes. At first thought it seems as simple as just counting back 13 days, until you realise that Sundays and all feasts dependent on the lunar calendar now fall on different dates in the solar calendar, and, therefore, occur and concur with different feasts of different rank, which means the rules have to be freshly applied all over again. It's easier just to start from scratch.

Even though I understand the rules, it's something I've never actually had to do - part and parcel of having everything established and handed to me on a plate, which is not the case in WRite Orthodoxy. I know it's complex, so I think I'll plod along day by day for now, and then, over the next few months, do a complete Mass & Office Julian Calendar Ordo beginning Advent 2006.

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I have a reprint of the final 1961 edition of the Liber Usualis, which I obtained three or four years ago. It is not the Bonaventure reprint, and the rubrics are entirely in Latin.

I still do not know who published this reprint. I think it might possibly have been published under SSPX auspices, as I think my supplier obtained it from Carmel Books, who are associated with SSPX. It was quite expensive; I think it cost £100 if I remember correctly.

Has anyone else came across this particular reprint?


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I just checked, Carmel Books now carries the Bonaventure reprint as well. So, what's the number on your 1961 edition? And has anybody got an idea what changes there are between the numbers?

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Time for a *bump* on our favorite thread. Hasn't anyone received, say, a Monastic Diurnal Revised today, or something?

What do people do when they're the officiant for morning or evening prayer and nobody attends? Happened to me yesterday. I said the service aloud, vested, in the usual officiant's stall. Skipped the salutations.

Anyone have a good self-discipline trick to keep praying the Office daily and at consistent times?

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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Anyone have a good self-discipline trick to keep praying the Office daily and at consistent times?

Yes please. Any help appreciated.

I've driven to work the last three days and my Office saying has stopped. [Frown] Getting back on the train tomorrow: it really is quite pleasant saying the office to and from work. So I suppose keeping a regular schedule of travel to/from work can help for those like me.

I'm trying to ensure Compline features daily also. Does involve pushing myself at times.


As an aside, what is it like to say the Office with a group of people on a daily basis, Scott? I tend to think it would be very encouraging.

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I'm afraid my main self-discipline with respect to the Office right now is resisting the urge to purchase each and every book posted on this thread. [Hot and Hormonal]
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Quite consistent with a 15 min MP and 15 min EP discipline. Pared down to just the Year B volume of the Daily Office Book. When I have the time I enrich it with the English Office; the backbone of the prayer remains the same.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Anyone have a good self-discipline trick to keep praying the Office daily and at consistent times?

Honestly, I sing Lauds every day during my commute to work. I can't read the Scripture readings, obviously, but I sing everything else, including Psalms.

It's a really good way to start the day, and I'd probably get lost if I weren't singing; I know all the turns by tune.

And I sing it all sometimes on the weekends, too, if I'm going someplace early. I guess this doesn't help somebody who has a short commute, but it's really a good and regular thing. I would think you could at least say it silently on the train; I do know somebody who does this, too. We're all locked in to some form of getting to work; praying is a perfect thing to do and helps keep the blood pressure down as well.

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The Byzantine Horologion arrived yesterday. Now I understand why WR Christians are getting excited over the Benedictine Diurnal for a disciplined personal prayer.
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Ooh, is this the one by Sophia Press ?

Please can you let me know, is it in contemporary English, and does it have loads of the kontakia/troparia prayers for saints` days, or just the ones for the Great Feasts ?
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At the moment I'm trying to say at least Evening Prayer daily. This ties in with the fact that I've recently started to attend Mass again after a long abscence from the church. I use various forms of Office, but I'm presently using the UK version of the RC Divine Office supplemented with some material from Common Worship;Daily Prayer.

When I am able to say Prayer During the Day, I sometimes use my seen-better-days second-hand copy of the Book of Prayer published by the Benedictine abbey at Collegeville in the mid-1970s (who later prepared Benedictine Daily Prayer), and subsequently condemned by the RC hierarchy in the USA.

For Compline, I use either CW:DP or the Lancelot Andrewes Press Monastic Diurnal. On Sunday evenings I try to say Compline in Latin usuing the Farnborough Abbey MD.

Morning Prayer is usually recited in my local church before Mass using the small red Shorter Morning and Evening Prayer book. I join in if I am on time!

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It is in good modern English; formal yet not too elevated. Only the ordinary troparia and kontakia for the weekdays and Lent are provided. A collection of common troparia for the different categories of saints are given at the back. It assumes the availability of the Triodion, the Octoechoes and the Menaia. May not be what you are looking for [Smile]
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[What do people do when they're the officiant for morning or evening prayer and nobody attends? Happened to me yesterday. I said the service aloud, vested, in the usual officiant's stall. Skipped the salutations.]

This has happened to me. I pray the service aloud, so if anyone comes in they can join in at the appropriate time. I've also delayed the time up to ten minutes to see if anyone shows up. If I've already begun and am not too far into the psalm when someone shows up, I've also started again.

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With Anglican offices try using 'O Lord hear my prayer, and let my cry come to you' instead of 'The Lord be with You etc.' Roman offices can be used as they are for recitation on one's own.

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quote:
Originally posted by Divine Outlaw Dwarf:
' Roman offices can be used as they are for recitation on one's own.

What do you mean by that? GILH says this:

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20. The liturgy of the hours, like other liturgical services, is not a private matter but belongs to the whole Body of the Church, whose life it both expresses and affects. This liturgy stands out most strikingly as an ecclesial celebration when, through the bishop surrounded by his priests and ministers, the local Church celebrates it. For "in the local Church the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church is truly present and at work." Such a celebration is therefore most earnestly recommended. When, in the absence of the bishop, a chapter of canons or other priests celebrate the liturgy of the hours, they should always respect the true time of day and, as far as possible, the people should take part. The same is to be said of collegiate chapters.

21. Wherever possible, other groups of the faithful should celebrate the liturgy of the hours communally in church. This especially applies to parishes - the cells of the diocese, established under their pastors, taking the place of the bishop; they "represent in some degree the visible Church established throughout the world."

According to this, the Liturgy of the Hours is for communal recital. Of course, it's possible to say it alone and I, and probably many others, do, but that's not really what it's for, in the same way as one can use a violin as a fly squatter, but...

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According to this, the Liturgy of the Hours is for communal recital. Of course, it's possible to say it alone and I, and probably many others, do, but that's not really what it's for, in the same way as one can use a violin as a fly squatter, but...

But there's a very real sense in which one never prays alone. One is participating in an ongoing offering of prayer and praise to the Father in which Christ himself participates.

"O Lord, in union with your praises to the Father, I recite this Office."

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I just checked, Carmel Books now carries the Bonaventure reprint as well. So, what's the number on your 1961 edition? And has anybody got an idea what changes there are between the numbers?

I think the number on my edition is 801. Not sure what the changes were from the previous number, but could they possibly be the inclusion of the revised Mass for the Assumption of the BVM introduced after 1950, as well as the Holy Week revisions of 1955?


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I succumbed to temptation on EBay and bought a copy of Benedictine Daily Prayer for the princely sum of £20.
Even though it is in contemporary English, LOL. [Two face]

I have to say, it is really rather nice and I have enjoyed using it today. [Big Grin]

I can`t get used to anything other than the KJV of the Magnificat, though, no matter how hard I try......

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For those who care, Broughton Books released Daily Services: Morning and Evening Prayer from APBA last week. This saves the inconvenience of lugging the Brick around. (The "Brick": the full edition of our prayer book is red, and about the size and shape of a brick. [Roll Eyes] )

Also contains Compline.

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APBA?

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APBA?

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I think I've still got a copy of A Prayer Book for Australia in the loft somewhere and it's certainly brick-like. However, The Book of Divine Worship produced for Anglican Use Roman Catholic parishes in the USA is even worse, and approaches an altar missal in size. It is about the same size as the Canterbury Press edition of The English Missal.

A smaller edition of the BDW would be very welcome, especially for the daily Offices, perhaps with some additional devotional material rather along the lines of The Anglican Service Book.


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Playing around the the reader's Horologion, it seems that Common Worship: Daily Prayer and Celebrating Common Prayer draws their introductory rites to the Office from Eastern Orthodox models with the opening canticles and the thanksgiving prayers for light (or acclamation of Christ at the dawning of Day). I wonder if any community has gone further by singing the opening canticle while the officiant recites the thanksgiving prayers at the same time?
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Both the ROCOR Old Rite Parish of the Nativity (Eire, Pa.) and St. John of Kronstadt Press (Liberty, Tenn.) now carry the Old Rite Horologion (in English)at $75 per copy. The language used for the translation is the same as that of the Old Rite Prayer Book or similar to the Jordanville Prayer Book. It contains, in addition to all the invariable parts of the Divine Office (in all its dominical, festal, ferial and Lenten variants)all the main tropars and kondaks for the year from the Menaia, Lenten Triodion and Flowery Triodion. Be advised that Old Rite rubrics differ from contemporary Byzantine or Slavic Use. For instance, the Old Believers chant Alleluia twice ("Alleluia, Alleluia, Glory to Thee, O God") instead of the three fold recitation most of us are used to. The Rite calls for far more prostrations in the Lenten Hours than is the custom of the New Rite practitioners. The St. John of Kronstadt folks claim that this is the closest thing to a one volume vade mecum for the recitation of the Office of which they are aware.
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Patrick,
this sounds exactly what I would like to have ! Thank you for the information.

Now how to tell dear husband that I want yet another expensive prayer book for Christmas [Snigger]

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If you're not (lurking) on a certain mailing list mentioned further up this thread, you missed two nifty links today:

Everything you ever wanted to know about the Psalms, but didn't even know about to be able to formulate a question to ask.

Morning and Evening Psalms for the liturgical year from the Benedictines of Blue Cloud Abbey, South Dakota.

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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
If you're not (lurking) on a certain mailing list mentioned further up this thread, you missed two nifty links today:

Everything you ever wanted to know about the Psalms, but didn't even know about to be able to formulate a question to ask.

Morning and Evening Psalms for the liturgical year from the Benedictines of Blue Cloud Abbey, South Dakota.

Thank you for that, Wonder Sheep. I especially like the Blue Cloud Abbey site. Not just the psalms but the office for lauds and vespers with reading, gospel canticle, intercessions and all. Very handy if one is on the move. A site I used to use in such circumstances has recently become subscription-only. Perfectly understandable but inconvenient if you don't want to use it often enough to make the subscription worth it ....

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
APBA?

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A Prayer Book for Australia
$200!!! [Eek!] [Eek!]

Anyone who's interested, let me know. I think they're more like $60AUS here...

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Originally posted by Fermat:
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
On a slight tangent (but within the thread subject area)....

At the back of my mind I have the idea that CofE priests are supposed to say Morning and Evening Prayer daily (whether they do or not is another matter), but I can't find a reason for me thinking this. Canon B11 suggest that they should be said in Parish Churches daily (with exceptions), but doesn't say who should say them.

Am I right in thinking that there is an "official" expectation that CofE Priests shold say MP and EP daily, and if so where is this stated?

Canon C 24 (of priests having a cure of souls)
1. "Every priest having a cure of souls shall provide that, in the absence of reasonable hinderances, Morning and Evening Prayer daily and on appointed days the Litany shall be said in the church, or one of the churches, of which he is the minister."

But perhaps more relevant:

Canon C 26 (of the manner of life of ministers)
1. "Every bishop, priest and deacon is under obligation, not being let by sickness or some other urgent cause, to say the Morning snd Evening prayer, either privately or openly;..."

Hope that helps

I know this was posted over a year ago, but I have a question.

Having established that all Anglican clergy are obliged to say the offices (as Amos once said somewhere here: "It is our duty and our joy"), what form/s are acceptable to fulfil the requirement?

I was reading "The Priest's Companion" (GAC Whatton), which I have started to use for various things, and he has an extended argument for the Hours as opposed to the "dispensation" given for Morning and Evening Prayer. Personally speaking, short of being in a monastic establishment, or in a situation where one doesn't have to work, I can't see how anyone could do the 7 hours every day at the appointed times, lay or ordained.

Do A-C clergy see MP/EP and possibly Compline as fulfilling the requirement from within a catholic perspective?

My current discipline is: prayer of some form on rising (atm from "The Priest's Companion"), MP (at college if I make it in time, otherwise privately), EP (privately, and if I am not madly racing to get to a lecture/whatever), and Compline (with other prayers on retiring). MP/EP/Compline I say from APBA, and I find them richer and more fulfilling than CCP, although CCP is handy if one is travelling, or in a hurry.

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Originally posted by Nunc Dimittis:

Do A-C clergy see MP/EP and possibly Compline as fulfilling the requirement from within a catholic perspective?

Certainly, that fulfils the canonical requirement, which isn't to say that people aren't free to say more. In the modern CofE any form of office which could qualify as a 'Service of the Word' (which would include the Liturgy of the Hourse and CCP, as well as CW and the BCP) would qualify. My personal opinion is that it is wiser to commit oneself to saying relatively little, and to do so consistently and faithfully, rather than to set very high expectations which one fails to meet.

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Thanks DOD. I really do need to see my SD soon. *sigh* She hurt her back administering baptism after Easter, and has been on leave ever since. [Disappointed]
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She hurt her back administering baptism after Easter

Oh dear!

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Anyone have a good self-discipline trick to keep praying the Office daily and at consistent times?

Honestly, I sing Lauds every day during my commute to work. I can't read the Scripture readings, obviously, but I sing everything else, including Psalms.

It's a really good way to start the day, and I'd probably get lost if I weren't singing; I know all the turns by tune.

And I sing it all sometimes on the weekends, too, if I'm going someplace early. I guess this doesn't help somebody who has a short commute, but it's really a good and regular thing. I would think you could at least say it silently on the train; I do know somebody who does this, too. We're all locked in to some form of getting to work; praying is a perfect thing to do and helps keep the blood pressure down as well.

For my part I too use my daily commute for prayer; my choice is Matins and Vespers from the Little Office of the BVM. (Matins in the morning, between seven and eight, Vespers in the late afternoon/evening, between five and six.) Before I had that I used to work through the Psalter. Because of my work routine this gives a fair degree of consistency although it does generally result in my saying Matins far too late in the day, and Vespers too early. If anyone has any other suggestions for how I might organise this or which offices I might choose, they would be most welcome.

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I was reading "The Priest's Companion" (GAC Whatton), which I have started to use for various things, and he has an extended argument for the Hours as opposed to the "dispensation" given for Morning and Evening Prayer.
I wish I could obtain a copy of this book! I think a priest friend of mine has one, and I think I remember reading the chapter where the author advocated the use of the Breviary in preference to the BCP for the Divine Office. If I remember correctly, he suggested making a specific intention for each of the Hours.

I think the author, Fr GAC Whatton, was also mentioned in the recent book on Anglo-Papalism by Michael Yelton, and that Fr Whatton also contributed to the later editions of Ritual Notes.

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Were Fr Whatton alive today, of course, he would advocate using the post-conciliar Liturgy of the Hours, in accordance with the practice of the 'Western Church'. The idea of having 'intentions' for offices is probably superfluous when using modern offices (either LH or CW), which have a much stronger intercessory compent built into them.

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I was reading "The Priest's Companion" (GAC Whatton), which I have started to use for various things, and he has an extended argument for the Hours as opposed to the "dispensation" given for Morning and Evening Prayer.
I wish I could obtain a copy of this book!

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Yeah, I know. It's excellent. I am at the moment coveting the copy our locum tenens has loaned me... I gave up, and photocopied the whole thing, as I decided it's something I can't do without!
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Were Fr Whatton alive today, of course, he would advocate using the post-conciliar Liturgy of the Hours, in accordance with the practice of the 'Western Church'. The idea of having 'intentions' for offices is probably superfluous when using modern offices (either LH or CW), which have a much stronger intercessory compent built into them.


It would be interesting if someone were to compile an updated edition of The Priest's Companion, perhaps suitable for use by both Anglican and RC clergy.

I suppose Fr Whatton would also advocate use of the Novus Ordo for Mass, or of CW suitably modified. I rather suspect that if he used the current LOH he would use the Latin typical edition!

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