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I'm sure there's a Collect against Extravagance somewhere!

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Originally posted by Saint Bertolin:
More sensibly...

Obviously, I haven't had a chance yet to ay how use-friendly it is, having only said Sext and None according to it today, but I feel right at home with this already. I suppose that, having trudged through the Anglican Breviary, this shouldn't be very different in terms of difficulty in growing accustomed to the rules. I have decided to wait for the SCPB kalendar and create an "ordo" (as it were) based on that, before I start observing the Proper of Saints and other Holy Days, except for the biggies of obvious significance. In the meantime, I'll stick with the temporale, which today, brings me to Thursday in the week of Easter IV.

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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
Ladies and gentlemen, the US Government has deigned to return the funds they had 'borrowed' from me, and I am now getting itchy breviary fingers. I've got the BCP and the CCP and the

I'd prefer something that's:
1) Anglican/Episcopalian
2) One volume
3) Has the little hours
4) Noted (gotta learn plainchant sometime)

None of these are deal breakers.

The only catch is, I can only afford something under $75 (including shipping), and I want it pretty soon, so it has to be something in print (I'm getting the leather bound 1979/NRSV for my birthday ).

So, what's the one prayer book that I absolutely, positively cannot live without?

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More sensibly...

Obviously, I haven't had a chance yet to ay how use-friendly it is, having only said Sext and None according to it today, but I feel right at home with this already. I suppose that, having trudged through the Anglican Breviary, this shouldn't be very different in terms of difficulty in growing accustomed to the rules. I have decided to wait for the SCPB kalendar and create an "ordo" (as it were) based on that, before I start observing the Proper of Saints and other Holy Days, except for the biggies of obvious significance. In the meantime, I'll stick with the temporale, which today, brings me to Thursday in the week of Easter IV.

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My friend, you need to join this Yahoo group, if only for the files available there. Good discussion, too, from a Western Rite Orthodox perspective. They have ordos adapted to the WR kalendar.

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You good, good man! I'll certainly join.

I think I may still need to formulate my own Ordo, though. The only WRite Orthodox I've come across who use this are from the AWRV, who use the Revised Julian Calendar, which means their superbly-compiled and often beautifully-produced Ordos aren't very helpful to anybody on the Julian Calendar like me.

(Unless, of course, they're bi-calendarist and swing both ways )

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(Unless, of course, they're bi-calendarist and swing both ways )

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I wasn't asking.

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You good, good man! I'll certainly join.

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I think I may still need to formulate my own Ordo, though. The only WRite Orthodox I've come across who use this are from the AWRV, who use the Revised Julian Calendar, which means their superbly-compiled and often beautifully-produced Ordos aren't very helpful to anybody on the Julian Calendar like me.

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Oo...sorry. It's more than a matter of scribbling in some different numbers, eh? That's why I keep coming back to the modern stuff that matches our calendar at church: the Saint Helena Breviary. In their latest newsletter, one of the OSH sisters goes on about how after years of using big looseleaf binders, she loves going into the chapel and seeing the rows of neat black-covered breviaries with gold lettering. I hear ya, Sister! I can dig it. Always able to resonate with a fellow breviary-lover.

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My friend, you need to join this Yahoo group, if only for the files available there. Good discussion, too, from a Western Rite Orthodox perspective.

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old copies on eBay are usually between US$40-80.

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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. You can get a Liber on E-bay for less than $50.

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Where's the contradiction? But since we are at it, can someone clarify what the "numbering scheme" of the editions means? For example,the Bonaventure reprint is of No 801, the current eBay listings are of No 789 and 780. Is there any difference in content? Or is this just counting reprints of the same edition somehow?

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Oo...sorry. It's more than a matter of scribbling in some different numbers, eh?

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Anyone have a good self-discipline trick to keep praying the Office daily and at consistent times?

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Yes please. Any help appreciated.

I've driven to work the last three days and my Office saying has stopped. Getting back on the train tomorrow: it really is quite pleasant saying the office to and from work. So I suppose keeping a regular schedule of travel to/from work can help for those like me.

I'm trying to ensure Compline features daily also. Does involve pushing myself at times.


As an aside, what is it like to say the Office with a group of people on a daily basis, Scott? I tend to think it would be very encouraging.

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' Roman offices can be used as they are for recitation on one's own.

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20. The liturgy of the hours, like other liturgical services, is not a private matter but belongs to the whole Body of the Church, whose life it both expresses and affects. This liturgy stands out most strikingly as an ecclesial celebration when, through the bishop surrounded by his priests and ministers, the local Church celebrates it. For "in the local Church the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church is truly present and at work." Such a celebration is therefore most earnestly recommended. When, in the absence of the bishop, a chapter of canons or other priests celebrate the liturgy of the hours, they should always respect the true time of day and, as far as possible, the people should take part. The same is to be said of collegiate chapters.

21. Wherever possible, other groups of the faithful should celebrate the liturgy of the hours communally in church. This especially applies to parishes - the cells of the diocese, established under their pastors, taking the place of the bishop; they "represent in some degree the visible Church established throughout the world."

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According to this, the Liturgy of the Hours is for communal recital. Of course, it's possible to say it alone and I, and probably many others, do, but that's not really what it's for, in the same way as one can use a violin as a fly squatter, but...

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I just checked, Carmel Books now carries the Bonaventure reprint as well. So, what's the number on your 1961 edition? And has anybody got an idea what changes there are between the numbers?

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APBA?

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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
If you're not (lurking) on a certain mailing list mentioned further up this thread, you missed two nifty links today:

Everything you ever wanted to know about the Psalms, but didn't even know about to be able to formulate a question to ask.

Morning and Evening Psalms for the liturgical year from the Benedictines of Blue Cloud Abbey, South Dakota.

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APBA?

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A Prayer Book for Australia

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$200!!!

Anyone who's interested, let me know. I think they're more like $60AUS here...

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On a slight tangent (but within the thread subject area)....

At the back of my mind I have the idea that CofE priests are supposed to say Morning and Evening Prayer daily (whether they do or not is another matter), but I can't find a reason for me thinking this. Canon B11 suggest that they should be said in Parish Churches daily (with exceptions), but doesn't say who should say them.

Am I right in thinking that there is an "official" expectation that CofE Priests shold say MP and EP daily, and if so where is this stated?

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Canon C 24 (of priests having a cure of souls)
1. "Every priest having a cure of souls shall provide that, in the absence of reasonable hinderances, Morning and Evening Prayer daily and on appointed days the Litany shall be said in the church, or one of the churches, of which he is the minister."

But perhaps more relevant:

Canon C 26 (of the manner of life of ministers)
1. "Every bishop, priest and deacon is under obligation, not being let by sickness or some other urgent cause, to say the Morning snd Evening prayer, either privately or openly;..."

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Do A-C clergy see MP/EP and possibly Compline as fulfilling the requirement from within a catholic perspective?

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She hurt her back administering baptism after Easter

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Honestly, I sing Lauds every day during my commute to work. I can't read the Scripture readings, obviously, but I sing everything else, including Psalms.

It's a really good way to start the day, and I'd probably get lost if I weren't singing; I know all the turns by tune.

And I sing it all sometimes on the weekends, too, if I'm going someplace early. I guess this doesn't help somebody who has a short commute, but it's really a good and regular thing. I would think you could at least say it silently on the train; I do know somebody who does this, too. We're all locked in to some form of getting to work; praying is a perfect thing to do and helps keep the blood pressure down as well.

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I was reading "The Priest's Companion" (GAC Whatton), which I have started to use for various things, and he has an extended argument for the Hours as opposed to the "dispensation" given for Morning and Evening Prayer.

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I was reading "The Priest's Companion" (GAC Whatton), which I have started to use for various things, and he has an extended argument for the Hours as opposed to the "dispensation" given for Morning and Evening Prayer.

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I wish I could obtain a copy of this book!

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Were Fr Whatton alive today, of course, he would advocate using the post-conciliar Liturgy of the Hours, in accordance with the practice of the 'Western Church'. The idea of having 'intentions' for offices is probably superfluous when using modern offices (either LH or CW), which have a much stronger intercessory compent built into them.

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