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If we're going by the book most used, it would be most accurage to say it's from The Manual of Plainsong!

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Originally posted by ACOL-ite:
The St. Joseph guide directs me to page 882 which says the conclusion is "as in the Ordinary". But, the Ordinary tells me that "For the weekday offices, the concluding prayer is taken from the current week of the Psalter." Which is where I'd just come from.

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Is there some "How to pray the Daily Office" guide for RCs in printed form? I had been thinking of buying the book for my SIL but I wouldn't want to leave her to muddle through it.

Charlotte

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There are a couple different versions of Christian Prayer out there, but in the one that I have used the concluding prayers during the weeks of Ordinary Time are found in the psalter and the concluding prayer on Sundays is found in the Ordinary of that Sunday.

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So it's just me who sings Anglican chant out loud on the train, then?

This explains why I get carriages to myself.

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This scarf was hand-woven by Samoan virgins from the hair of a delectable troop of choirboys, and is soft and gentle on the skin , and was once in the posession of Prester John.

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Originally posted by dyfrig:
As a slight tangent, but still in the general area, I'm interested in people's use of translations of the psalter.

Do people use the one in the office book in front of them, or do you have a preferred translation you always go back to?

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Originally posted by David Goode:
Daily officers,

To change (or, rather, to get back to) the subject a bit, I've devised and tested a two-week psalter schema based very closely indeed on the schema of our most holy father Benedict.

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If anyone's interested, let me know here, and I'll put a PDF of the ferial psalter on my web site for download. If you do decide to download it, some feedback after a few weeks of use would be nice!

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As a slight tangent, but still in the general area, I'm interested in people's use of translations of the psalter.

Do people use the one in the office book in front of them, or do you have a preferred translation you always go back to?

Does anyone use a "non-standard" psalter, such as the poetic translations by Peter Levi or Gordon Jackson?

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Originally posted by Chorister:
Nowadays I prefer the Oxford Psalter to the Parish Psalter. I know better to sing on trains, but often find myself humming round Safeway. It is much easier to remember Psalms by heart if you sing/hum them to Anglican Chant.

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Originally posted by Back-to-Front:


Coverdale may be found set to real chant here.

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I love the idea of something that makes it much easier to remember the psalms.....But what is Anglican Chant?

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This page from CCEL isn't a bad start. To hear it done, most Anglican Evensongs will either have a choir singing it alone, or choir + congregation.

Armed with minimal experience thereof, something like the Parish Psalter (10 quid from the usual suspects) is helpful in actually doing it - particularly for the chants , but you can make a decent guess at sensible pointing from any translation, I suppose.

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Coverdale may be found set to real chant here.

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Mm, wonderful looking book... With an encomium from Scott as well!

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Out of interest, what version of the psalms is used in Common Worship:Daily Prayer?

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At Matins, I've been using the readings from the CW office lectionary, and the shorter readings from 'Prayer during the day' at Lauds, Midday, and Vespers. Midday prayers is pretty much from the book with the draft schema (which is the same as the alternative psalter in the book).

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Thank you, Dave. Well done! Two questions, now that my lovely red-leather permanent CW:DP has arrived:

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1. How do you start Matins: p. 108 in the new book looks like a good way (The Acclamation of Christ at the Dawning of the Day)?

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• 'O Lord, open our lips...'
• Ps 3 without antiphon, 'Glory to the Father...'
• Ps 95 as invitatory with ferial antiphon from psalter on feriae or a suitable variation on festivals
• The office hymn (though not always)
• First nocturn of three psalms from the schema
• Two scriptural lessons from the CW lectionary
• Second nocturn from the schema
• Reading either from 'Celebrating the Saints' or, on feriae, from 'Celebrating the Seasons'
• On festivals, Te Deum, otherwise straight in to Lauds, beginning with 'O God make speed...'
• Omit the printed psalm or canticle (as per rubric), then 'The night has passed...'
• Ps 67 without antiphon
• Psalter from the schema (psalms, then appointed OT canticle followed by Lauds psalms)
• Short reading (see below)
• Responsory, sometimes followed by office hymn
• Benedictus with antiphon, ferial on feriae, otherwise proper or common, as per rubrics
• Prayer, 'Lord have mercy... Our Father...'
• Collect(s), common commemoration
• Conclusion, as per the book
• Final antiphon

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Anybody know of any half-decent downloads of Anglican chant? I was hoping to post something for Second Mouse but my search powers are weak today.

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I hope you get on alright with it. Give me a shout if want to know anything else about how I use it, and also to let me know if you think of anything else and want me to try it out.
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Many thanks, Dave, for all the guidance. I prayed Matins and Lauds your way this morning, and it worked out very well indeed. For the hymns I used Hymns for Prayer & Praise from The Canterbury Press, Norwich, and for the patristic lesson I used Robert Wright's Readings for the Daily Office From the Early Church, published by our Church Publishing Inc. I've got the SPCK CW lectionary and the REB with Apocrypha. So it's a little library of five books. I could reduce it to three by using my 1979 BCP/NRSV combo.

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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Many thanks, Dave, for all the guidance. I prayed Matins and Lauds your way this morning, and it worked out very well indeed. For the hymns I used Hymns for Prayer & Praise from The Canterbury Press, Norwich, and for the patristic lesson I used Robert Wright's Readings for the Daily Office From the Early Church, published by our Church Publishing Inc. I've got the SPCK CW lectionary and the REB with Apocrypha. So it's a little library of five books. I could reduce it to three by using my 1979 BCP/NRSV combo.

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I haven't seen Robert Wright's book: is it in print?

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Apart from church services, does anybody actually say the office with anyone else, in more than the spiritual sense?

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Many thanks, Dave, for all the guidance

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That's beautiful, Scott. I only experienced this recently as I usually pray it alone (well, physically alone, if you know what I mean).

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I've corrected a couple of errors in my first upload. Please download the most recent version. There's an extra incentive to download, apart from my mistakes getting corrected: there now the beginnings of a festal psalter, and a psalter for the CWDP common office.
corrected and expanded schema

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Many thanks for this, Dave. I gather we're in Week 1 now; is there a system for determining the current week? With other two-week schemas I've sometimes consulted universalis.com to see what week of the RC liturgy of the hours it is; if 1 or 3, then 1; if 2 or 4, then 2.

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Originally posted by David Goode:
I've had an idea. Week one should start on the first Sunday of Advent, the Monday after Low Sunday (You'll see why when I finish the temporal schema), and the Monday after Pentecost. How's that sound?

And how did you get on with praying the whole Visitation office in one go yesterday? That sounds like a lot of office ;-)

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I just remembered that New Melleray Abbey (Trappists) in Iowa use a two-week psalter scheme, and here's how they decide which week it is:

"To determine which week of the two-week cycle we are singing, use this tip. If the previous Sunday is an odd number (1st week in Lent, 3rd week in Easter, 21st week in common time), then we will be singing the odd-week cycle. If the previous Sunday is an even number, then we will be singing the even-week cycle." -from http://www.newmelleray.org

So by that plan, you're right to be in Week 2. Since this coming Sunday is the 3rd after Pentecost, the current week is the 2nd after Pentecost. Oops...CW uses Trinity, right? Hmm...but in the RC calendar we're in Week 9 of Ordinary Time/Week 9 of the Year/whatever. So that would make it Week 1. Not sure what to do! Wouldn't want to pray the wrong psalms, eh?

I didn't actually pray at all yesterday, which was very frustrating. Too many demands on me and interruptions prevented prayer. A constant problem.