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It's lovely, and I've experimented with praying the Anglican Rosary as it was meant to be prayed, but I still prefer the traditional Dominican Rosary (the one that now has 20 mysteries). Putting the Anglican Rosary beads over my folded hands while praying (is it Buddhists who pray with beads on this way?) helps me focus. [/QB]

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You have always been a refuge to me
Before the mountains, before the earth, before the world
From endlessness to endlessness
You are

You turn me around
You say
Return child

A thousand years to you are like a yesterday
Like a lonely hour in the middle of the night

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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
I'm looking at page 12 of the 2002 edition of CCP and it says "Seventh Suday after Trinity - Use week 7".

Last Sunday was the seventh Sunday after Trinity so surely this is week 7.

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Gosh, so it does. I'm a dimwit, aren't I?

OK, but Pentecost 7 it was week 7 in the old 1994 edition. Must admit it seems a little odd to have different calendars at work in two editions of the same book - would make it awkward to flit between them, say the full book and the pocket version.

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Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit;
as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever. Amen.

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Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

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I always though these were just two variant English translations of the same Latin text, but my informant (a person whose liturgical opinions I don't hold in high regard) gave me a mini-lecture, including - I think, though I wasn't really giving my full attention - an intimation that getting it wrong created some sort of anti-indulgence or something.

So I come to my trusted Latin scholars and liturgical purists and ask: are there really two versions of the Gloria Patri?

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So I come to my trusted Latin scholars and liturgical purists and ask: are there really two versions of the Gloria Patri?

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So I come to my trusted Latin scholars and liturgical purists and ask: are there really two versions of the Gloria Patri?

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Originally posted by ACOL-ite:
The Gloria patri that we used to sing in Welsh in college (can't find it now, I'm afraid, I'm sure Carys will be along to correct me at some point) ended with a word pronounced "wastad" which means "flat" or "forever" in place of saecula saeculorum or world without end (I suspect this was a translation of the English, not the Latin). I quite liked this.

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Gogoniant i'r Tad ac i'r Mab ac i'r Ysbryd Glân
Megis yr oedd yn y dechrau, y mae'r awr hon,
ac y bydd yn wastad, yn oes oesoedd. Amen.

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ac y bydd yn wastad,

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The Roman office in the States translates the Gloria Patri differently to the translation used in the UK. On this side of the Pond, it retains its BCPesque phraseology.

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Originally posted by DitzySpike:
Found this Recording of the Music and Rituals of the Office used by the Benedictines at New Camaldoli Hermitage. Excellently sung with sensitive accompaniments with guitar, organ, piano and oboe. The New Camaldoli has an in house office books in few volumes in comb-binding. Seen them used at a house of the Order of the Holy Cross. And I've been coveting them since.

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I have just taken delivery of a 1938 copy of "the Day Hours of the Church".
It is lovely, but the two existing original ribbon markers are rotting , and if you put any stress or pressure on them, bits drop off, which is a little disconcerting

Can anyone advise me of a foolproof way of inserting new ribbon markers which will stay put permanently and also not damage the binding ?
Thanks !

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I would have thought it common sense for the book`s publisher to realise that anyone buying a Prayer Book/ Breviary is going to be using it an *awful lot* and put high quality markers in...

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In the 60s one could buy spare missal markers in Catholic Repositories.

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They would be an alternative to gluing in your own ribons if they are still available. I shall investigate next time I'm passing the local Repository.

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Do let us know the results of your investigations. :-)

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Happy to help, though it may be a couple of weeks before I'm down that way again.

But I bet they are for sale online from somewhere in the world. Must have a google and see.

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I have this CD, and it is indeed lovely. And if monasteries only knew how much cash they could generate by offering copies of their in-house office books on eBay and telling us office mavens about the sales! What a bidding war would ensue!

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Scott (or anyone else for that matter),
Do you know where you can get CDs of the office, but just chanted (Anglican style?), no instruments...?

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Society of St John the Evangelist (Cowley).

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Ah, the wonders of modern technology -- I have those CDs and just loaded them on my iPod.


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So I come to my trusted Latin scholars and liturgical purists and ask: are there really two versions of the Gloria Patri?

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Nope. The Latin translates literally: "As it-was in beginning, and now, and always, and in ages of-ages." Saecula saeculorum mimics a Hebrew superlative, also seen in Rex Regnum (King of Kings) and Dominus Dominorum (Lord of Lords). "world without end" is apparently due to Henry VIII, and is a real crap translation. How about "As it was in the beginning, is now, and always will be, forever and ever." That keeps all Latin parts and the Hebrew-style end, and sounds well.

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Originally posted by The Dumb Acolyte:
Weirdly, the monks at Holy Transfiguration Monastery in Brookline, who are usually burrowing into some forgotten memory of 17th century English, serve up the surprisingly contemporary Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, both now and ever and unto ages of ages in their 1997 Great Horologion.

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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Best wishes, welcome and prayers Novus Ordo - it sounds like you've come well-equipped...

Just thought i'd haul this thread up from the bottom of the page to ask something that's been bothering me awhile. The BCP, in it's post-reformation, Mrs. Cranmer form, 1662 And All That, doesn't provide psalmody for months with 31 days - after 147-150 on the evening of the thirtieth day, you fall into a sort of liturgical abyss.

Given that choir obligation persisted for all clergy, what did they do? Repeat the day before? Anticipate the following day? Choose a few favourites? Go down the pub?

A small thing. But it's been bothering me!

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Originally posted by Novus Ordo:
I have always been intrigued by Howard Galley's work "The Prayer Book Office", which is now out of print. I understand that this is basically an enhanced version of the daily prayer from the ECUSA BCP of 1979, with additional material such as office hymns, psalm antiphons etc. A copy came up for auction on eBay a couple of months ago.

Can anyone who uses or has used this book comment on its usefulness? It did occur to me that it could possibly be used to enhance other liturgies, such as the daily offices from the RC Anglican Use Book of Divine Worship. Also, I wonder if there might be any chance of a reprint?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Novus Ordo:
[qb] I have always been intrigued by Howard Galley's work "The Prayer Book Office", which is now out of print. I understand that this is basically an enhanced version of the daily prayer from the ECUSA BCP of 1979, with additional material such as office hymns, psalm antiphons etc. A copy came up for auction on eBay a couple of months ago.

Can anyone who uses or has used this book comment on its usefulness? It did occur to me that it could possibly be used to enhance other liturgies, such as the daily offices from the RC Anglican Use Book of Divine Worship. Also, I wonder if there might be any chance of a reprint?

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• Foreword.
• Editorial policy
• About the Collects and Notes on ceremonial
• Fasting
• The Sacrament of Shriving.
• The Preparation of the Sacrifice.
• The Office of Terce.
• The Great Litany.
• The Sarum Liturgy.
• The Office of Sext.
• The Office of Matins.
• The English Liturgy.
• The Office of Evensong.
• The Office of Prime
• The Liturgy of Saint Gregory.
• The Midday Office and the Angelus
• The Office of Compline.
• The Order of Churching of Women.
• The Sacrament of Baptism & Chrismation.
• The Sacrament of Holy Matrimony.
• The Order of Burial of the Dead.
• The Liturgical Reception of a Bishop.
• The Sacrament of Holy Unction.
• The Form of Blessing of Water.
• The Form of Dedication of Objects.
• The of Preparation of a Place of Worship not a church.
• The Order for the Blessing of a House.
• Grace Before Meals and other Prayers
• The Rite of Palm Sunday
• The Rite of Ash Wednesday.
• The Rite of Maundy Thursday
• The Rite of Good Friday
• The Rite of Holy Saturday Midnight
• The Office of Lauds
• The Office of None
• Using the Offices
• Celtic, English and European Saints

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I think a good way to form a discipline in reading the office is to get connected to a monastic house as an oblate or associate. How can I get that being half a world away from the nearest Benedictine order; or should I choose between an episcopalian or catholic order?

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Originally posted by sheela-na-gig
I’m impressed by the people here who have the self-discipline for a daily prayer routine.

I’d be interested in people’s responses to the following: you normally have ten minutes to spare, give or take, on a weekday in a cathedral which is normally open during the day. The side altar has a reserved sacrament (r/h side) and an icon of the Virgin and Child (l/h side). How would you use these as tools?

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If this was a one off, I'd probably use the time for a nativity-based rosary. My rosary is faster, because I use the Jesus prayer (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner) instead of the 'Hail Mary', and my nativity mysteries aren't exactly the same as the standard ones either, so ten minutes would just about do it.

On a regular basis I'd use it for a short office; I used one I made up for myself based on the prayer of St Columba until I recently switched back to CCP. In both cases, concentration on the icon would be how I would prepare myself for prayer, and awareness of the reserved sacrament makes the place even more of one where I can meet with God.

I should say that I was useless at keeping to a daily office until I started commuting again a year ago; now I read the office (silently to myself...) on the way in to work. I need a time when I am going to be reminded by my routine that I need to pray, unfortunately. For that reason, I still give God a day off from listening to me on Saturdays, which is biblical after all

Spong

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