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Qestia

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A lot to respond to.

RE: Jerry Falwell et al, our hoarse-voiced evangelist was back outside my subway station today. He's often there reading from the Bible for the evening commuters. His choice of scripture today? The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Actually the idea about post-WWII type occupation got me optimistic for Afghanistan. I've heard that our occupation of Japan gave that country its great economic boom: because they couldn't waste their budget on military spending, they pumped it into better things.

Unfortunately this is ludicrously wishful thinking.


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Nicolemr
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bad news. the stories of the five firemen found alive were innacurate. they were rescuers that had fallen down a pile of ruble, not survivors from the collapse.

*sigh*

i just sewed a flag on my backpack, btw. this is highly atypical behavior for me.

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Erin
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Holy Mother of God. They have arrested a man trying to board a plane at JFK for carrying a false ID and a pilot's license, and have detained five or six more people.

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Elizabeth
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CNN and MSNBC have been reporting all afternoon and evening that at least 100 British citizens died in the WTC, 3 dead and about 96 missing Australians, and 30-odd Japanese. There were 31 Japanese companies with offices in the WTC.

I expect that we'll be hearing more about non-American deaths in coming days. It seems that this act of terrorism has touched us all now.

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HoosierNan
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At Buckingham palace tonight (Thursday) the queen ordered the band to play "The Star Spangled Banner" (U.S.A.'s national anthem) during the changing of the guard. That was the sweetest thing to do. I cried while I watched it on the ABC news broadcast. The band wasn't using sheet music--which means they probably spent most of today rehearsing and memorizing it. So incredibly wonderful a gesture.
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Willyburger

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Thank you, UK.

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HoosierNan
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For the folks here who don't know the words, here's a link to The Star Spangled Banner.

I must admit that I only know the first verse.


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tomb
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I saw that broadcast, and it also brought me to tears. But then, just about anything makes me cry these days.

I also add my thanks, UK.


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Marama
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They say we are all at only six degrees of separation from anyone in the world. How true that is. On Wednesday morning - when most Australians found out what had happened 7 or so hours previously - it all seemed distant, shocking, but unreal. Since then a child has told me her dad was in the WTC towers three days before, another friend spent hours trying to track down a niece who works there - but was elsewhere on business that day. Two close escapes. But today a friend in Melbourne emailed me about a close friend of hers who was dead in the attack. By its very nature the financial centre of NY is a particularly cosmopolitan workplace - this has affected people all over the world. Last night the sky was very clear and I watched the stars; they always make me very aware of our smallness and vulnerability - but last night more than usual.
My prayers are with all who grieve - everywhere

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Marama
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And reading the experiences of shipmates in the USA has brought home the enormity in a way nothing else could do. Blessings on you all.
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Siegfried
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CNN is now reporting that a total of 8 persons were taken into custody at JFK and La Guardia in NYC. One person was on a plane already, 3 others were in a pilots lounge. Police commissioner is quoted as saying that it looks like a thwarted hijacking attempt.
All flights out of NYC were suspended, and apparently still are, although flights were being allowed in.

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Ariel
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There have been only two planes that I am aware of over my flat in Oxford in the past three days. As we have a small and normally very busy commercial airport nearby and are under a recognized flight path for passenger planes the silence in the skies is eerie.
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Ham'n'Eggs

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For what it's worth, which is very little, the Changing of the Guard has never ever be altered before. For anything.

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Just had the three minutes' silence in our office. A beautiful gentle quiet descended. Noone typing or anything. And there is prayer in the local Church later. Hope I can find the time to go. Somehow some of that gentle atmosphere is left behind. Noone wanted to be the first to break it.

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We just had the three minutes silence too, right in the heart of the West End. The silence that descended ( not just on the office, but seemingly across the whole area ) was palpable. We are thinking of you.

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John Donne

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My country has formally invoked the 50 yr old ANZUS treaty for the first time. In doing this, Cabinet unanimously agreed to support the US in any military retaliation against the attacks on NY and Washington.

I am very proud.

I also attended a memorial service at St Georges Cathedral today. Full title:
'A service of prayer, memorial and thanksgiving
For those who lost their lives, for those who are injured, for those who mourn, and for medical and emergency personnel
United Airlines flight 175
United Airlines flight 93
American Airlines flight 11
American Airlines flight 77
World Trade Centre, Manhattan, NY
The Pentagon, Richmond, Virginia.'

Very low density tat I might add: cassocks, surplices, tippets and academic hoods, so no ulterior motives on my part. And I overcame my dread that it would be an awful liberal abomination, given the theology of many of the Cathedral clergy. I also worried that the Archbishop and Dean would use it as an opportunity to shove interfaith issues down our throats (Yes, I'm so cynical and distrustful that I thought that they might even stoop to that - they didn't), since the Archbishop had invited the Muslim community to the service (none came that I saw). Anyway, I thought: 'Right. I'm probably gunna hate this. But I'm going to honour the dead people and to be in solidarity with the US friends I've met online'.

Actually, it was a beautiful service. The service booklets had a small piece of thyme stapled to the front, and the prayers included the Romans passage 'I am convinced that neither death, nor life etc' (8:38-39) and a prayer of John Donne. Then followed an anthem - 2 bits actually - negro spirituals 'Steal away to Jesus' and 'Nobody knows the trouble I see' from A Child of our Time, by Michael Tippett - sung by the skillful boy choir of St Georges (HT will approve). A Litany followed. The Anthem before the Gospel was Purcell, Hear my prayer; and the Anthem after the Homily was Faure, Pie Jesu. The readings were very fitting, the moving passage from Wisdom 3:1- 'The souls of the righteous are in the hand of God, and no torment will ever touch them' etc; 1Co 15:15; and John 14:1-. These were read by the US Consul, the Premier of WA and the Governor (Queen's rep) of WA respectively.

Hymns were 'Alleluia, Sing to Jesus', 'Guide me O thou great Jehovah' (but they used 'Redeemer', blah), and 'Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord'.

The State Commissioner of Police was present as were a contingent of firefighters, and the leader of the State Opposition. Near the Soldier's Chapel the American and Australian flags were flown, the staves crossed over each other. Uniformed and plain clothes police and plainclothes (diplomatic?) security guards were also stationed around the building.

Not a traditional Requiem, but moving.

MWer signing out,
The Coot.


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Belisarius
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quote:
Originally posted by Ham'n'Eggs:
For what it's worth, which is very little, the Changing of the Guard has never ever be altered before. For anything.

Every little bit helps. This is the first I heard of this and I want to also extend my thanks.

One other small mercy: if I remember correctly from my last visit, the Observation Deck didn't open until 9 AM. At least fewer tourists were killed or injured.

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Nicolemr
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yes, thanks guys. we do appreciate it.

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Nicolemr
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and some quick notes from new york.

its raining, torrentially.

i hate to think how this is hampering search and rescue efforts.

yesterday on the wayhome from work my daughter and i counted over 150 american flags.

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For the first time last night, on my way home from work, I drove past the Pentagon. As it was evening, there were bright lamps shining upon it, and the acrid smell of burnt metal.

However shocking it looks on television, the real sight is quite a bit worse. Perhaps the worst thing is the jarring contrast of the smooth, honey-coloured restrained neo-classical facades interrupted by darkened, scorched windows and a gaping, jagged black gash in the middle. I should probvably mention for those unfamiliar with Washington that the major north-south artery, Interstate 395, passes immediately beside the Pentagon. Approaching from the south one sees not only the impact point, but the incongrous scenes of the Washington monuent and the Capitol dome illuminated serenely in the night.

The fires were burning again in the close, humid air, and a haze hung close the ground and along the river.

HT


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Ariel
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There was a service at St Paul's Cathedral (London) this lunchtime which the Queen, Tony Blair, the American Ambassador, and other notables, including representatives from Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist faiths, attended. It was led by the Archbishop of Canterbury and began with the singing of the Star Spangled Banner. A 17 year old American girl lit a special candle to remember the victims before the service got properly under way.

I watched it on television and found it beautiful and moving. It ended with the British national anthem and the Queen emerging to meet and talk to some Americans in the crowd outside. The area outside was packed with a quiet and respectful crowd.

The eleven o'clock silence has been marked throughout Britain in shopping centres and city squares alike as well as people's homes and offices. Many people in Britain and Ireland have friends and family on the other side of the water and even those who don't are still moved by this.

I hope those of you on the other side of the Atlantic will be able to see something of the St Paul's service on your television news later on.


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If anyone wishes to access the BBC programmes online, radio and television selections are available online: BBC News Online. Real Audio format.

Those wishing to check US reports may wish to try Fox News. The site has been accessible on Friday, more so than some others (...well, at least until we all flood it), and has regular updates.

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mousethief

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Not much I can add right now: just that I am very touched by the outpouring of condolences from around the world. People leaving flowers before American Embassies in nearly every country. Periods of silence in many countries. And the thing with the SSB and the changing of the guard was very moving. On behalf of a shell-shocked, mourning country, thank you all!

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Moo

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Thanks to all the countries aroung the world that have expressed their sympathy in such moving ways.

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Originally posted by The Coot:
For those who lost their lives, for those who are injured, for those who mourn, and for medical and emergency personnel
United Airlines flight 175
United Airlines flight 93
American Airlines flight 11
American Airlines flight 77
World Trade Centre, Manhattan, NY
The Pentagon, Richmond, Virginia.'

Under the circumstances this is a very trivial point, but the Pentagon is in Arlington, Virginia, which is a hundred miles north of Richmond.

Moo

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Ham'n'Eggs

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Here is a link to a RealPlayer file of the UK and world's expression of solidarity with the American people: BBC

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Elizabeth
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Just to say how touched I was to see the film of so many standing in the three minutes of silence, and also by Coot's report of feelings in Australia.

The prayers and support of Shipmates and others in the world are palpable and you have no idea how much they are appreciated. Thank you, thank you.

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Belisarius
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Perhaps inevitable, but disturbing if true. It was reported this morning that the woman detained was American.

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JimT

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I also am engaging in atypical behavior. My wife got out a flag that my father-in-law (a wounded Iwo Jima veteran) gave us and I proudly nailed it to the front of my house. I smiled inside as she left the house dressed in red, white and blue. I wept very deeply as I heard them play the Star Spangled Banner at the changing of the guard in England. The fact that England, in defiance of whom the Star-Spangled Banner was written, played it in a quasi-military setting was indescribably moving. But what got me was the soft and uncertain voices singing the words. Who were they? American tourists? Their singing was thin and pathetic from a musical standpoint, but it could not have moved me more.

More personal news: one of the guys I sing with was in the Pentagon when it was hit, but he's fine. The dental practice where my wife works was asked for dental charts of two people who were patient there and died in the plane that hit the Pentagon. These two patients were on the plane and apparently they've found some teeth. Life could not be more grisly.


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Todd
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Merely reading about the playing of The Star-Spangled Banner at the changing of the guard has moved me deeply. And given the history- from the War of 1812- that Jim points out, doing that is a sign of the hope for reconciliation between nations such as has existed between the US and the UK for more than 150 years. I add my voice to the chorus saying, thank you, UK.

--Todd


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ptarmigan
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For what it's worth, play stopped after the ringing of a bell at 11:00 for 3 minutes silence in the croquet tournament I was playing in yesterday. It seems somewhat trivial to be playing croquet when so many are sufferring, but cancelling the event would not have helped the people of the USA. Silence was observed at British railway stations too. I think people in Britain are shocked and appalled. The service at St Paul's cathedral was moving. Leaders of the Islamic community in Britain have expressed shock and condolence, and I think we should explore closer relations with them at this time.

Pt

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Nunc Dimittis
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For some reason, witnessing the hugely attended services at Washington Cathedral and at St Paul's makes me really teary, especially seeing as the media have tended to choose the bits where they sing the Star Spangled Banner...

As for the words, I think only my own national anthem beats them for bad sentiment (the second or third verse of Australians all let Us Rejoice has racist remarks apparently, just as the 1st verse of SSB talks of bombs, and the whole song is of victory in war). But the tune is really catchy. Doh! Now I'll go to bed singing it!


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JB*

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In a way, the tune just came back to its original home. It was written in the late eighteenth century as the song of the Anacreontic Society, a popular gentlemen's club in London.

link

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ptarmigan
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I saw the start of the Last Night of the Proms on TV. The Proms is a huge London based festival of classical music over a period of weeks, and the Last Night is normally an orgy of British nationalism, finishing with a singalong of songs such as Rule Brittania and Land of Hope and Glory.

In view of recent events in US, the singalong has been dropped and the concert opened with the national anthems of USA and Britain. Incdentally the conductor of the BBC symphony orchestra now is an American, Leonard Slatken.

Pt

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Honest Ron Bacardi
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Please accept my apologies for the extreme tardiness of this posting, but I have been out of the country.

I just wish to add my voice to the many tens of millions worldwide who have expressed their shock, outrage and grief at the barbarity of this act. Others have expressed my thoughts more eloquently already here.

Apologies for a "me-too" post.

Ian

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Belisarius
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No apologizes necessary. We won't get tired of these messages, believe me.

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JB*

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Some photos came to me through the internet, photographer not identified. I trust no one will object if I offer you a peek.

New York Skyline Picture

Rubble Picture

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