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Carys
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Originally posted by Keren-Happuch:
Thanks for posting the picture Rat - I was about to look for one as that's my memory of the BA uniform too. Hard to imagine any necklace that couldn't be concealed underneath it.
Whereas my memory was a open-necked blouse (possibly blue with a pattern on it) whereby it was quite hard to see how the cross could be hidden under it.
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Spiffy
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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
Okay, You've all convinced me. I'm going to run right out and get a big fat ol' metal cross and hang it from a thick chain around my neck like a choker and walk right into Radiology tomorrow.
You deserve your Darwin Award if you're too stupid to get a wooden one.
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Bean Sidhe
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I think there's always a conflict between needing to be flexible and sensitive, and needing to have clear rules we can refer to, in order to avoid accusations of discrimination. These two issues, the wearing of a veil and the wearing of a crucifix or cross, seem to cut right across that conflict. Neither are compulsory according to the texts of the two faiths, but both have significant emotional and religious implications for the people concerned.
At which point I hesitate and don't know what to say next. I have a lot of sympathy with the French approach of banning all outward faith symbols within public institutions, at least then everyone is on the same footing. No crosses, stars of David or Hijabs. I'd happily take off my ring with the cross on it if it was going to help. But that is France, here I can see such a policy causing a lot of trouble.
I don't know, I just wish everyone would calm down about it. I love that phrase, "people of the book", which I am told Muslims use to describe those of us of the Abrahamic faiths. After having initial reactions like many of us to these issues, on reflection I'd like to dwell on that commonality more than on crosses and veils.
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Littlelady
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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
You idiot, health and safety is one of the major reasons to have a dress code.
Another being image.
Hey, since neither BA nor British Midland referred to health and safety, and British Midland referred to image, which one might it be? G'won. Have a guess.
Yeah. Well done! Image. That means your inane rambling is a waste of space.
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People are stupid (as your every post on this thread seems to prove)
You've been my inspiration, babe.
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Dinghy Sailor
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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
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Originally posted by dinghy sailor:
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Originally posted by Spiffy da WonderSheep:
Okay, You've all convinced me. I'm going to run right out and get a big fat ol' metal cross and hang it from a thick chain around my neck like a choker and walk right into Radiology tomorrow.
You deserve your Darwin Award if you're too stupid to get a wooden one.
Sarcasm, honeybunches.
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Littlelady
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Originally posted by Bean Sidhe:
At which point I hesitate and don't know what to say next. I have a lot of sympathy with the French approach of banning all outward faith symbols within public institutions, at least then everyone is on the same footing.
There's also the pragmatic approach, which is the one I favour, where everyone is allowed to wear their faith symbols openly if they so choose. Obviously there would need to be some measure of negotiation, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of negotiation (well, unless you're an exec at BA when it seems there's plenty wrong with it).
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My religion expressly requires me to hunt down and strangle people that make a ridiculous fuss over minor slights. Particularly with respect to corporate interference with quasi-religious bling.
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Bean Sidhe
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It's tough Gwai to draw lines, but we do all in the end put that "line in the sand" according to our values. I'm still not sure where I put mine on this issue.
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Bean Sidhe
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Rook, what is the difference between religious bling and quasi-religious bling?
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Dinghy Sailor
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Originally posted by Gwai:
What about the ESL teacher who wishes to cover her face (including mouth) or an abortion nurse who refuses (theoretical) to help with abortions after her conversion? Should everyone have the right to do whatever they think is right? What if the sign of my religion is a swastika?
It's perfectly reasonable to disallow religious trappings that directly impedes my ability to carry out my professional duties. It's also perfectly reasonable to disallow me because of attitudes I have because of my faith, that are at odds with the ones I must necessarily to hold and/or promulgate as part of my job. Apart from that, people should be allowed to meet the requirements (whether you think they're requirements or not) of whatever faith they hold to, whether those involve 'jewellery', bangles, headdresses or whatever.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Gwai:
If chains are forbidden at her work then insisting on wearing her cross on a chain is surely to be said to be against the attitude of following orders or as they call it these days "team spirit."
Or as they call it outside the asylum, "sticking to the fucking contract you signed when you started working there".
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Our management are bringing in a uniform policy which didn't exist before. I'm sitting here thinking just how much trouble I could create. Maybe I should get a religious facial tattoo. See what happens then.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
If chains are forbidden at her work then insisting on wearing her cross on a chain is surely to be said to be against the attitude of following orders or as they call it these days "team spirit."
Or as they call it outside the asylum, "sticking to the fucking contract you signed when you started working there".
That's fine except, according to a BBC report, she was only asked to hide her cross after she attended a course on diversity. In which case, she didn't sign up to it when she started working there.
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Originally posted by Gwai:
What about the ESL teacher who wishes to cover her face (including mouth) or an abortion nurse who refuses (theoretical) to help with abortions after her conversion? Should everyone have the right to do whatever they think is right? What if the sign of my religion is a swastika?
In the UK, if either doctors or nurses don't believe they should be helping to do abortions, they are allowed not to participate.
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Dinghy Sailor
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Originally posted by Gwai:
I think BA would say that it is consistent with your guidelines, Dingy Sailor. If chains are forbidden at her work then insisting on wearing her cross on a chain is surely to be said to be against the attitude of following orders or as they call it these days "team spirit."
No, because my point was not about whether something breaks a rubbishy little rule (which the airline may or may not have actually had) but about whether it affects my ability to do my job. If I'm meant to be teaching RE to a bunch of kids, my view that atheists should go out and kill all people of faith would count. If I work on a bouncy castle, my religious belief that I should never take off my high heeled shoes would count. In both cases, I couldn't do my job properly because of my religious beliefs. Whereas a company refusing to compromise as far as letting someone wear a small cross symbol because of their religious beliefs is going way over the top. If the rules don't allow that when they allow other faiths to have far more ostentatious (and dangerous) displays of themselves, they're bad rules and should be changed.
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Originally posted by Bean Sidhe:
Rook, what is the difference between religious bling and quasi-religious bling?
One requires me to strangle you with more reverance than the other.
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Bean Sidhe
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Ok!
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chive
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Originally posted by dinghy sailor:
Whereas a company refusing to compromise as far as letting someone wear a small cross symbol because of their religious beliefs is going way over the top.
Where did BA say she couldn't wear it? As far as I can see she's being asked to move it the approximately 2 mms from one side of her shirt to another. Not exactly the start of a pogrom is it?
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Originally posted by Gwai:
Marvin,
There's a world outside the asylum?
Gwai, have you read Doug Adams' "So Long, & Thanks For All The Fish"?
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Originally posted by Gwai:
What if the sign of my religion is a swastika?
The you'd be a Hindu. And you should have every right to display the sign in public. Its engraved in large friendly relief on the the walls of India House in Aldwych, right next door to the BBC World Service.
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Dave the Bass
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Originally posted by Littlelady:
That's fine except, according to a BBC report, she was only asked to hide her cross after she attended a course on diversity. In which case, she didn't sign up to it when she started working there.
So BA made her attend a course on diversity, and then insisted she display more uniformity...
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Originally posted by Dave the Bass:
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Originally posted by Littlelady:
That's fine except, according to a BBC report, she was only asked to hide her cross after she attended a course on diversity. In which case, she didn't sign up to it when she started working there.
So BA made her attend a course on diversity, and then insisted she display more uniformity...
Thank you. I was wondering when somebody would notice this little inconsistency.
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Matt Black
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If BA have only recently issued this demand and have apparently been perfectly happy for her to wear the cross thus up until now, then their insistence that she remove it could amount to a purported unilateral variation of her contract of employment, which she is entitled to reject; if they then push the point, they could find themselves in an Industrial Tribunal. Presumably m'learned friends have explained this to them?
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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by MouseThief:
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Originally posted by Dave the Bass:
So BA made her attend a course on diversity, and then insisted she display more uniformity...
Thank you. I was wondering when somebody would notice this little inconsistency.
Maybe she went to the diversity thang, noticed other people with religious wear and decided she wanted in on that too. Or maybe BA had a good a reason to send her to the diversity thang, and she's resentful about it and has decided to make a stink. OliviaG
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Dinghy Sailor
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Originally posted by chive:
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Originally posted by dinghy sailor:
Whereas a company refusing to compromise as far as letting someone wear a small cross symbol because of their religious beliefs is going way over the top.
Where did BA say she couldn't wear it? As far as I can see she's being asked to move it the approximately 2 mms from one side of her shirt to another. Not exactly the start of a pogrom is it?
Okay, I'll change one word then.
"...as far as letting someone display a small cross symbol..."
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Originally posted by dinghy sailor:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
I think BA would say that it is consistent with your guidelines, Dingy Sailor. If chains are forbidden at her work then insisting on wearing her cross on a chain is surely to be said to be against the attitude of following orders or as they call it these days "team spirit."
No, because my point was not about whether something breaks a rubbishy little rule (which the airline may or may not have actually had) but about whether it affects my ability to do my job. If I'm meant to be teaching RE to a bunch of kids, my view that atheists should go out and kill all people of faith would count. If I work on a bouncy castle, my religious belief that I should never take off my high heeled shoes would count. In both cases, I couldn't do my job properly because of my religious beliefs. Whereas a company refusing to compromise as far as letting someone wear a small cross symbol because of their religious beliefs is going way over the top. If the rules don't allow that when they allow other faiths to have far more ostentatious (and dangerous) displays of themselves, they're bad rules and should be changed.
I agree with you here. All safety issues aside, if other religions are going to be able to wear their symbols, Christians should be able to as well. Diversity and fair play are two-way streets.
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Dinghy Sailor
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So because she happens to believe in Christ she should have the right to wear cross to broadcast that to the world?
That depends on whether turbans, hijabs, etc, or not. Since they do, then yes she should.
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Perhaps another employee hates Christianity. Should she be able to wear a crossed out cross symbol?
Yup
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So because she happens to believe in Christ she should have the right to wear cross to broadcast that to the world?
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That depends on whether turbans, hijabs, etc, or not. Since they do, then yes she should.
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No, crosses aren't an essential in anyone's book of christianity-at least not displayed outside your clothing. Hijabs are. That's the difference. Perhaps the whole point of this is to try and minimise the religious outwardness of the company image? By limiting all religious clothing to just the stuff that's a neccessity, like a Hijab or a turban.
And please, do you really think that people should be allowed to display items of clothing which are derogatory towards other faiths?
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No, crosses aren't an essential in anyone's book of christianity-at least not displayed outside your clothing. Hijabs are. That's the difference. ...
No, Zorro, people keep trying to tell you: Neither is "essential" -- except to the individual who feels strongly about wearing one or the other. Both are a matter of choice. Both should be permitted -- or neither should -- as long as we're just talking about dress codes. And there really and truly are people who feel that their crosses are just as essential as someone else's hijab.
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Dinghy Sailor
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Zorro, since we're talking about belief here - that's right, we're talking about what people *believe* - then if someone thinks it's essential to wear a cross, then it's essential in their *faith*. And since some muslim women don't wear the hijab, how can you say it's somehow objectively more essential than wearing a cross is? It's got to be pretty essential to someone's faith if they risk their job over it.
As for symbols being offensive, well my understanding of Christianity (and one heck of a lot of non-Christians' understanding of Christianity) says that everyone who isn't a Christian has got rather a lot of stuff wrong, and could quite possibly suffer eternal consequences for that. Ditto Islam and non-muslims. If you choose to be offended by someone saying you're wrong (and especially if they're saying you'll have serious problems in the next life because of it) then any religion that cares to make truth claims for itself is offensive.
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Had converse on this topic today at work with three colleagues- two sikh men (neither of whom wear turbans) and one muslim woman (who wears the hijab). None of them could believe that BA could possibly be acting properly- all defended their right to express their faith through clothing and jewellery (and yes, it was a sikh man who used that word of the bangle), and were flabberghasted that a christian woman was prevented from so doing in the same organisation. And all this in the spirit of multiculturalism and multi-faith Britain. Multicultural has to mean just that.
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Golden Key
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Re required attire for Muslim women:
See Wikipedia's in-progress article about "hijab". The rules seem quite complicated and varied. There are also guidelines for men, and general rules about modesty.
As I and others have said many times, it seems that the rule is about JEWELRY, not religion. I took a quick look at the Sikh bangle ("kara") online. It's a bracelet, and I gather that the BA prohibition is for neck jewelry. If the prohibition is supposed to be of ALL jewelry yet the kara is allowed, then IMHO other religious jewelry should be allowed. But if only neck jewelry is prohibited, then either tuck your necklace inside your uniform or wear a bracelet or ring that shows your symbol.
FWIW.
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And please, do you really think that people should be allowed to display items of clothing which are derogatory towards other faiths?
Yes. A few years ago, someone I know walked past a girl in the street who was wearing a t-shirt with the caption "Jesus died for his sins not mine" on the front.
It's hard to supress my contempt for someone with the poor sense, poor taste and poor manners to choose a garment like that. I doubt whether she would have had the intellect to understand quite how offensive it was to a Christian.
But she has the right to wear it in her own time.
Of course this is a separate issue to what an employer may reasonable require in terms of dress code in a contract of employment.
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Bean Sidhe
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if only neck jewelry is prohibited, then either tuck your necklace inside your uniform or wear a bracelet or ring that shows your symbol.
FWIW.
Right. I've mentioned a couple of times I wear a large ring with a cross on it, silver on black, and while I feel for my part it's less in your face than something round my neck, people do remark on it. There's usually a compromise and a way around problems like this, and by doing something less typical or up front you can often find you make more of a statement.
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Often fly Sri Lankan Airline and have often noticed the stewardess wear a Cross or a Crucfix.
Interesting as Sri Lanka is Budhist country and there have been problems with churches being attacked there. Airline is run by one of the Emirate airlines.
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The lady in the case was interviewed on The Heaven and Earth Show on Sunday morning. Admittedly I wasn't in the best of moods, but she didn't impress me.
I just have to mention that I was right (nyah!) - Gloria asked her if her uniform featured a scarf up to the neck that would cover up any necklace (religious or not) and the lady agreed. Unfortunately this line of enquiry wasn't pursued.
Later, she was asked if she was willing to lose her job over the issue, whereupon she said at some length (I'm paraphrasing) that the Lord would punish her on judgement day for not displaying her cross and that she feared the Lord's wrath more than BA. Unfortunately Gloria didn't point out that fear of the Lord's wrath hadn't seemed to prey much on her mind for the last 5 or so years she'd worked for BA, or ask her when the Lord had revealed to her this special plan for the punishment of people who wear uniforms up to their necks. Instead, she nodded sympathetically, at which point I got irritated and went and did something else.
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Matt Black
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According to Nadia Eweida's interview with Fox News' Hannity and Colmes, were she to wear the cross under her garments it would mean "being ashamed" of her faith. Now, we may not all share that particular interpretation of what 'being ashamed' includes, but if that's how she interprets it and, provided it is not posing a H&S risk, then she has the right to do it and BA need to back off.
[ETA - she seems to have taken her story to Fox to get the US Religious Right on her side. While I don't have a lot of time for the latter group, if they decide to boycott BA if BA sack her then, frankly, BA will have brought that upon themselves]
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Somehow I think the Lord will punish her for more on judgement day than for not making sure she displays her cross. It seems like her point (and BAs) is not whether she can wear the cross, but only whether she can make sure the public sees it. In which case, the argument isn't whether it is the same as the turban or the hijab, but whether if, say, a turban-wearing Sikh, if ordered by BA as part of the dress code to put the turban under something (assuming it applies to all headgear, turbans, yarmulkes, lace nets of the Mennonites, nun's wimples, etc) so as not to display them publicly for some reason. I don't actually know the full rules for all these, but at the core most of them seem to be about "covering up as respect for God" to put it as condensed as I can. Further cover would then not contravene anything, yes?
All the Lenten scripture readings about piety, what others see and jolly well hiding your light under a bushel come to mind quickly.
I'm always struck by how people are aware of their rights to freedom from religious oppression/discrimination are guaranteed by human rights legislation, etc (although I'm also struck by how their rights are next to never what they perceive them to be, since they seem to pick up all their legal education in this area from reading Sun headlines), and yet never seem to grasp that no where is there legislation giving you the right to a job, and certainly not giving you the right to any particular job. If there is such legislation, could someone please point me to it? Because I'm desiring something that lets me sleep in late, work 20 hours a week without breaking a sweat, and pays a minimum of 2 million p.a. Thanks in advance for your help.
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It's not whether God is on our side or whether we're doing God's will, it's being so narcissistic as to think that God is telling you what to do. - Lily Tomlin
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