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It also lets dad in on the feeding routine, so he can enjoy it too.

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I remember feeling left out when I couldn't help with the feeding and a bit useless.

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Oh, I don't know. You could always have taken nappy duty. That way you were both responsible for one end. Seems a fair division of labour to me.

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Oh and had an original idea for when the temp is 43C but will check with a health professional. Frozen breast milk icepoles...I mean for an older baby.

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Stubborn little critter. Out! out! I tell you!

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Sorry that really made me laugh - I am sure that it is very frustrating for you!

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Stubborn little critter. Out! out! I tell you!

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[QB] Auntie Doris, I was going to say, "out! out! damn spot,"

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ETA: JtL, my check-up's tomorrow, so they'll do an internal ( ), and if they can't do a membrane sweep to set things rolling, they'll schedule the induction.

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However, even "Curse of the Were Rabbit" will be out for a bit whilst the baby's tiny (unless he/she is far better behaved than either of mine)

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I can vouch for that. We've tried to watch the same DVD 4 times since the Ratling was born and been foiled every time. If he doesn't scream the place down, we fall asleep. Or both in succession!

We did go out for a meal on Saturday though - left the wee one with his grandparents and an unnecessarily huge supply of expressed milk for a couple of hours, which he largely slept through. We're probably horrible, traumatising parents! He seemed to survive the experience though...and so did the grandparents.

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I was nervous at first about having an internal sweep, but in the end I actually found it quite pleasant. Something about some one being able to lift the baby's head off my pelvis for a couple of minutes was quite gratifying. Like having an itch that you can't scratch, and some one doing it for you.

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Yeah, there's very little you can't do with a nursing baby along for the ride.

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Like, wander leisurely up and down the grocery aisles, nursing the little one in the kiddie-seat of the grocery cart there in front of you as you decide between French Cut or Regular green beans.

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I have to say I found the internals during induction and prior to delivery one of the worst and most unpleasant parts of the whole experience.

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That's what I've been told by several women as well. Which is why I'm dragging hubby along to the appointment with me tomorrow for moral support and distraction.

And Annie, I am beginning to wonder about you. Leg waxing = a special treat?

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I have to say I found the internals during induction and prior to delivery one of the worst and most unpleasant parts of the whole experience.

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That's what I've been told by several women as well. Which is why I'm dragging hubby along to the appointment with me tomorrow for moral support and distraction.

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things get more tender the more they are prodded. (Honestly, I really tried to think of another way to put that.)

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...the more pokings you get the sorer things become?

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And Annie, I am beginning to wonder about you. Leg waxing = a special treat?

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* of course, you may be one of these Models of Deportment who always gets in and out of a car with her knees together

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Quick update. They couldn't do a membrane sweep today (midwife told me that I did very well for my first internal ... guess flexibility helps in more than one way), so they've scheduled me to go in to hospital Friday afternoon to start the induction. So the wee wan will be out soon whether or not it wants to be.

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First internal what? Exam? What have I missed along the Saga of Wee Wan route? You ain't been examined internally at all along the way?

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Methods in medicine change over the years, sometimes dramatically. A friend who gave birth about 30 years ago had an internal exam every time she had an ante-natal appointment.

With my first baby (12 years ago) I maybe had about 9 internals before labour started. When the little cub came I think I had a grand total of 3.

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First internal what? Exam? What have I missed along the Saga of Wee Wan route? You ain't been examined internally at all along the way?

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Actually I havent been examined internally or externally unless you count ultrasound (done every visit) and the time I rang up disressed with pain a week or so back - then a jr dr and a mid wife externally examined me. Guess with my ceasor I am lucky might miss out all together.
So tired with work, breast feeding classes organizing car seat fittings, but pleased to say Sean suggested I rest tomorrow and go out for a special dinner in the evening. Only concerntrate on the needed work. He cleaned up the house toocame home it was a blessing.
Had another embarrassing or funny incident at work tonight. Had really bad nausea and KNEW I was gonna spew, ran to nearest loo, which from past times is not very private, Without even getting the door shut I spewed and then managed to shut the door. Heard people outside asking who is in there(this is also a client loo) and by the time I could come out I had an audience of 3 people awaiting to see it I was OK. Assured them I was and the illness was not infectious. Had a lot of pain and heartburn hence up at midnight.

Thinking of you Alan and Flausa...was just lying in bed complaining I have been so busy haven't been around for a few days to check on news of you. Don't know if it is only an australian thing but friday is cystic fibrosis day, so I will remember you.

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I know you don't like advice

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I've been thinking about this, and felt I should respond as several people have commented to me in private - some condemning me for my feelings and others praising me. I am not adverse to receiving advice in certain contexts (in fact, I have often sought advice in my life), but there are certain contexts where I find "advice" to be potentially harmful or at the very least, inappropriate.

So here are the reasons I've had issues with the proliferation of advice being given on the shipmates expecting threads:

1) As has finally been acknowledged on the most recent pages on this thread, each woman and child is individual, and therefore, each pregnancy and child and labour and delivery will be different. What works for some will not work for others, and pushing people to fit your own model for what worked can be physically, emotionally, and mentally damaging to another.

2) As babybear mentioned, medical knowledge/opinion has changed drastically in regards to pregnancy over the last several years and actually still varies from country to country. What was advised for someone 30 years ago, or even 5 years ago, may now be condemned by the same professionals.

3) I have a whole host of professionals supporting me through this pregnancy who are medically trained and have way more legitimate medical advice and knowledge than a group of women with individual experiences. These professionals supporting me also have a better knowledge of my and my child's physical/medical circumstances, so are much better equipped to advise (though I am still able to question some of their advice if I receive conflicting information, which I have between my midwives, doctors, and free information distributed by them).

4) I think it unwise to accept medical advice from people that you only know on the internet. As I've already said, my doctors know my situation, but a person on the internet only knows what little I've revealed, and so cannot speak intelligently to my specific situation. I know it is also Ship policy to not give medical advice, though quite a bit has been given on these threads, mostly by people with no medical training.

5) I get enough "advice" from well-intentioned folks IRL ... I don't really want it or expect it from this thread. I was thinking again today that it amazes me that the same women who were irritated to no end by being given advice turn around and do the same thing to other women (same with the sharing of horror stories).

6) When people give unsolicited advice, there is an implication that the person on the receiving end doesn't already have the information. Let me just reiterate, I was my sister's breathing coach for all three of her pregnancies which gives me a great deal of insight into labour and delivery. I was a social work major and child safety professional, so not only
have I studied child development, but I've gained some very intimate and scary details to which the average parent will never have been exposed (trust me ... your horror stories about your children and teenagers have nothing on the crap I've seen and dealt with).

In summary, I am an intelligent, well-read, educated woman married to an intelligent, well-read, educated man with access to trustworthy, reliable, and professional information. Between the two of us, we also have real-life access to friends and family who support us. If I have a question, I know whom to ask for information or where to look for it.

So, that's where I'm coming from on this. Probably should have explained earlier on in the pregnancy, but I had hoped there wouldn't be the need. So you can , , , or at me, but please don't tell me how to have and raise this baby. Thank you.

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Jane R - why not get out of the car like that?

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<snip> So here are the reasons I've had issues with the proliferation of advice being given on the shipmates expecting threads: <snip>

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Flausa, I'm sorry if you thought I was being snide. I was really trying to make you laugh... but I see I did that as well. I hope you didn't take offence at anything I said, as none was intended.

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Jane, I didn't think you were being snide, and you did make me laugh (though not about why you would need to be careful about getting in and out of the car ). As I say, I just wanted to clarify why I have responded to some of the advice offered here as less than the gold nuggets that people think they are. I wasn't offended in the least by what you said.

Neither was I upset about what you posted about the membrane sweep, birdie. And your caution in posting has been greatly appreciated.

The reason I have posted on this thread was as the OP suggested - "to keep (the Ship) posted here on all your Great Expectations!" It has been the easiest way to keep a large group of people informed and to keep informed as to how others were progressing. If I had thought it was going to be a thread where advice and horror stories would be given, I would have stuck to email to keep Shippies abreast of things.

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It didn't look to me like you were trying to make everyone who comes to the thread change the way they ask and tell stuff, to suit you.

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Tip/advice like Jane's recent one about keeping knees together when getting out of a car are just the sort of thing that don't get mentioned by doctors or midwives, but make such a difference to comfort.

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a story in our family was that when my mum was expecting her first - in 1940 - she was a week overdue. My dad's contribution to hurrying it up was a trip to Largs from Glasgow. (probably the best bit of 2 hours each way, up and down and round and round - it's nowhere near a motorway even now!)By bus. And then home again.

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So the morning 2nd I decided to arrive was the morning afetr a winter storm...make that a Winter Storm. So the usual road, the coast road, was shut due to the number of boulders, whales, ships etc parked on it as a result.
Psyduck phoned the police to ask which roads were OK and was told none of them, don't travel. SO he explained and the cop told him to use a particular road. Well, it was a twisty road, even by local standards and it had more pothole than road surface! Suffice to say that 2nd Infant arrived fairly quickly after we got to Irvine!

A pal of ours wiated so long to go to hosp that her husband was flying up the road and was stopped at 4 am by a police car for speeding. Husband yelled why he was racing. The 2 cops were really pleased, said thay'd always wanted to do this, told them to follow, switched on the blue light and took off even faster!
Even then, their Infant was nearly named Otis, after the lift company taking him and his cross legged mum up to the labour ward!