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daisydaisy
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I was beginning to be tempted until mention of snoring - I wonder how soundproof my tent is?
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Paul W.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Besides, people at GB don't stay up all night having raucous drunken parties, do they? There are far better things to do having forked out all that dosh to go. Not to mention it's hard enough to be up and awake for the 9am worship sessions without staying up past midnight. Or, have I spent half my life going to GB and totally missed the point of the festival?
The point of the festival for you isn't necessarily the same as the point of the festival for me or any of the other thousands of people who go. Likewise, I'm sure that the precise definition of "far better things to do" varies wildly from person to person, and some would consider letting their hair down and having a few bottles of wine with friends they only see once a year to be one of the best bits of the weekend.
I notice another artist has been added to the music section of the GB site - Kathryn Williams.
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Originally posted by cqg:
Snoring from the next tent, though -- that ought to be kept in mind (from a Chief Offender).
Indeed. I had deepest sympathy with Atlanta who had to share a tent with Quizmaster and was in the next door tent to you!
Auntie Doris x
It wasn't just the tent next door that could hear it though, it was the whole field.
And who's talking about druken slurs. Surely it being a Christian festival that kind of thing doesn't happen?
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I notice another artist has been added to the music section of the GB site - Kathryn Williams.
Ooh, she's ace! We saw her at Celtic Connections earier this year, she was supporting another act but was much better than them, I thought. And I loved her between-song banter (eg: she was asking for the lighting guy to turn down the spotlight because "I feel like I'm being abducted"). Really beautiful voice.
I'm not too bothered by snoring from nearby tents - as long as I'm warm I can sleep pretty well. But that's the thing - if there isn't any cloud cover overnight it can get *really* cold, so don't forget your bedsocks/thermals/layers.
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if there isn't any cloud cover overnight it can get *really* cold, so don't forget your bedsocks/thermals/layers.
My tent always looks like a bedoin (sp?) tent as I have loads of blankets. I can't bear being chilly when I am trying to go to sleep!
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Originally posted by Paul W.:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Besides, people at GB don't stay up all night having raucous drunken parties, do they? There are far better things to do having forked out all that dosh to go. Not to mention it's hard enough to be up and awake for the 9am worship sessions without staying up past midnight. Or, have I spent half my life going to GB and totally missed the point of the festival?
The point of the festival for you isn't necessarily the same as the point of the festival for me or any of the other thousands of people who go. Likewise, I'm sure that the precise definition of "far better things to do" varies wildly from person to person, and some would consider letting their hair down and having a few bottles of wine with friends they only see once a year to be one of the best bits of the weekend.
I notice another artist has been added to the music section of the GB site - Kathryn Williams.
Paul W
Just to point out -- staying up till 7am drinking doesn't necessarily preclude you from being up and about for morning activities, eg. commuion.
But then me being a southern girl & outsurviving a night of drinking against a northern guy - this isn't gonna get forgotten - eh Paul ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Like you had anywhere near as much as I did.
Anyway, I'm old, I can't expect to keep up with you whippersnappers.
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hey, I wan't counting units - all I know is I was up for 10am communion rther than at 2pm ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Paul W.:
Anyway, I'm old, I can't expect to keep up with you whippersnappers.
I'm a lot older than you...
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I can't last much beyond about 2am, although I do start drinking earlier than some of you
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Emma Louise
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Im rarely up *really* late these days (wight meeters may have noticed my lack of night-owl-ness!) however, for me, I *do* think Greeneblt is as much about catching up with people, enjoying discussions and being with other Gbers as it is about going to seminars etc. I will often miss a seminar in order to continue drinking tea with someone and chatting
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Horatio Harumph
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I have decided to brave the tent thing again this year.
After some consideration I now think its the best thing to do. I was thinking and looknig into staying off site, however have come to the conclusion that it would be more hassle if I needed to go and rest to find my friend, get back to the place, rest, and not ruin her weekend by having to drive me.
Also I tend to suffer from the "if i need to rest, i need to rest now" kind of thing, so I think it would be better to have somewhere I can go and crash close by.
So, all in all, I am looking forwards to the weeken, cant believe how quickly it has come round, and cant wait to catch up with everyone and drink lots of wine ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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i dont go to greenbelt with youth at all.
hurrah.
but i do have friends from here that go who I shall probably be camping with, however will see, and am sure I shall be able to bring round some wine at some point
edited to add: our group has youth in it, ie my friends neices etc, but I take GB as my one weekend away without having to do anything almost work related
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Atlanta has washed the pods.
The tent is now ready for Greenbelt.
Tickets were ordered early for the first time (we normally pay on the gate) and so we have an extra £30 to spend on .......... ice cream and beer.
Looking forward to meeting some old friends and introducing some new ones to the pleasures of the Greenbelt experience.
Billy Bragg on Friday night.
Has Martyn got his slot yet?
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Originally posted by Paul W.:
Over the Rhine.
![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) and indeed ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Cool!
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A moment in Time:
We sat in the sunshine enjoying yet another gap in the music as the previous band had completed their set. The announcer mentioned a new band that had not been scheduled would make an appearance and we should give them a fantastic welcome as they were young and very nervous.
Youths from across the sea of bodies rose, moving quickly towards the stage and others followed as an air of expectation took the assembled throng by the throat. The pack at the stage grew and soon everyone was standing just so they could see the stage.
The next few minutes will live with me forever as the greatest noise I had ever heard accompanied by some meaningful lyrics, sung with true passion by a remarkable singer and played with a rhythm much closer to the feelings of life than Status Quo, left me a lifelong fan of the group that would go on to be one of the best supported bands in the world.
It will never be the same. It can never be the same. I grew up.
A callow youth will remember 1981 and U2 forever, nomatter how old and decrepit he becomes.
I hope you get your moment in time this year.
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brilliant sentiment, qm.
To the moments past and to come ...
(raises virtual glass).
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Originally posted by Quizmaster:
Atlanta has washed the pods.
Has Martyn got his slot yet?
The other year at Greenbelt all you had to do to hear Martyn Joseph was sit reasonably still in or near any room in which any late-night event was going on. Sooner or later he'd dash in, play a song, and dash off somewhere else again. If you moved about you might miss him by being where he wasn't - sitting still was the best option.
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The question is, if there is another pub quiz, do you think that the ship will enter, and will we get through to the final again? (That was a good moment from a couple of years ago)
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A couple of weeks ago I was at the chiropracter and he introduced me to his previous patient who was just leaving. He is one of the organisers of GB and he told me that they were amazed that so many people turned up for the pub quiz. He also said the same thing about Beer and Hymns... but he reassured me that this will definitely be happening again this year
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Originally posted by Annie P:
The question is, if there is another pub quiz, do you think that the ship will enter, and will we get through to the final again? (That was a good moment from a couple of years ago)
If there is another pub quiz, my aim will be to get to it this time! (The same goes for Beer and Hymns...)
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GeordieDownSouth
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Deliriou5? Have just been added to the website for Monday mainstage.
As have a whole bunch of other interesting sounding people who I've not heard of. But looks promising.
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Originally posted by GeordieDownSouth:
Deliriou5? Have just been added to the website for Monday mainstage.
oooooooo how fabulous!!!! I saw them play at the Royal Albert Hall last year and they were amazing!!
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Emma Louise
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I'd be up for hearing delerious play again. Its over 10 years since I was really "into" them though (nostalga moment - when they used to be cutting edge and our youth group went to the worship events they played at). It was very very strange being in a worship thing a couple of yeras ago at GB and realising that the kids around me probably were only toddlers when the "old" Delerious/Matt Redman songs we were singing were written....
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cool, the last time i saw Delirious was at another festival at the same time as Greenbelt, at which I used to do youth work for.
The grand stand seating collapsed and the weekend became an eventful one to say the least. Scary.
That was my last year @ that festival, and then I decided to go to Greenbelt, never to return to the other one.
My third year at GB this year, and I cant wait. The last two years I have left it really late, got tickets last minute, ummed and ahhed and only really decided last minute to actually go. This year I have had my ticket booked since the last GB, how bad is that, hehe!
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Originally posted by Emma.:
Its over 10 years since I was really "into" them though (nostalga moment - when they used to be cutting edge and our youth group went to the worship events they played at).
The chances are that we were at the same events then Emma... birdie and I heard them play quite a lot in Southampton... it was probably about 12 years ago I guess.
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I shall be there, though I shall be camping with a load of guys from church rather than youse all.
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Emma Louise
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Originally posted by Auntie Doris:
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Originally posted by Emma.:
Its over 10 years since I was really "into" them though (nostalga moment - when they used to be cutting edge and our youth group went to the worship events they played at).
The chances are that we were at the same events then Emma... birdie and I heard them play quite a lot in Southampton... it was probably about 12 years ago I guess.
Auntie Doris x
Oooh quite probably. I remember they used to be every other week in Southampton and then they dropped back to once a month - which devastated me at the time as it was "church" to me and our youth group was all hooked on it!!
Its bizarre I can still recall the emotion in "worship" I used to have then but the cynical growd-up me wonders how much it was to do with being a teenager......great memories though
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My decision whether to go to GB was today made for me, when a wedding invitation for Aug 25th dropped through my letterbox! See you all in 2008, perhaps.
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Emma Louise
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We **thought** about getting married at greenbelt... but decided to get married the week after instead ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Can't believe you'd rather go to the wedding than greenbelt!!
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Can't believe you'd rather go to the wedding than greenbelt!!
Me neither. I was invited to a wedding that weekend and I told them I was otherwise engaged! (actually the girl in question knew it was GB and said if she had a choice she would be there too as the wedding was becoming way too much hassle!!!)
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Originally posted by Emma.:
We **thought** about getting married at greenbelt...
Oh getting married at Greenbelt would have been cool. Though I guess possibly a challenge for non GB friends and rellies - extra cost of festival ticket and all that.
You should have arranged it so you got married before, went to GB for part of the honeymoon and had a marriage blessing ceremony there. There's a few hundred clergy kicking around after all. (Can you do a marriage blessing before the marriage???!)
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As someone new to the Ship, I'm hoping to meet some people from SOF at Greenbelt.
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Welcome, Heydrich. There's usually a meet on the Friday evening on the steps of the Winged Ox (pub in the grandstand), and thereafter lots of bumping into random people and less organised meet-ups (Tiny Tea Tent and Organic Beer Tent being the two most obvious venues). It will be good if you can come along
I'm really looking forward to Greenbelt. After nearly 4 months abroad in boiling hot sunshine (and another month abroad once GB is over) a few days in a chilly field will be ace!
It won't be ace if the field is wet as well as chilly, but who knows, maybe I'll get to wear my wellies this time. I bought them for my first GB in 2003 and have never needed to wear them yet.
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Originally posted by Yangtze:
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Originally posted by Emma.:
We **thought** about getting married at greenbelt...
Oh getting married at Greenbelt would have been cool. Though I guess possibly a challenge for non GB friends and rellies - extra cost of festival ticket and all that.
You should have arranged it so you got married before, went to GB for part of the honeymoon and had a marriage blessing ceremony there. There's a few hundred clergy kicking around after all. (Can you do a marriage blessing before the marriage???!)
You're right it was the thought of rellies and non Gb friends that put us off in the end. Also what happens if something *else* you want to go to is scheduled the same time as the wedding As it happens our vicar would have ben there and it would have been sraightforward.
I hadnt thought of geting married *before* and then going to GB for a blessing. That would have been fantastic. Small wedding here with family and then large blessing at Gb with all my strange internet friends.....
Im not sure about a blessing *before* (Although that would be fun) I think we should have some GB celebration/party/escuse for something at somepoint
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It would be good to meet up at the Tiny Tea Tent or the Winged Ox.
I've applied to be an assistant area manager at Greenbelt but I dobn't know yet what area that will be at or what times; it might even include the Tiny Tea Tent.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I shall be there, though I shall be camping with a load of guys from church rather than youse all.
Do we smell??? ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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I'm sure a few years back there was a wedding, or blessing at least, at greenbelt. I remember seeing them walk through the winner's enclosure and up to the main stage. can't remember who it was, though.
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I think we should have some GB celebration/party/escuse for something at somepoint
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Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
I'm sure a few years back there was a wedding, or blessing at least, at greenbelt. I remember seeing them walk through the winner's enclosure and up to the main stage. can't remember who it was, though.
Was it a couple of stewards? At my first GB in 2003 I was a venue steward and my team manager had met his wife when they were both stewarding at GB - they got married there 2 or 3 years earlier IIRC. They both still steward every year, though I think she doesn't do as much as they have a little one to run round after.
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Originally posted by Pānts:
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I shall be there, though I shall be camping with a load of guys from church rather than youse all.
Do we smell???
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Look's like Peterson Toscano is back this year with his show 'The Re-education of George W Bush'.
Well worth seeing!!
Auntie Doris x
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I am so looking forward to Greenbelt. Going with the remnant of the Youth Group I used to lead, which includes fellow ex leaders and their little ones. Last year, we also took a canoe, which was probably the single most useful bit of kit we have ever brought.
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Erm... why?!
Why was the canoe the most useful bit of kit ever?
First, it kept the children, from 18 months old to 12 or so, incredibly happy with all sorts of games, fantasy and a chill pit during down time on the camp site.The teens used it in the evenings too. Second, we are a biggish group and in the past, have had people trying to, (and in one case actually managing to, for a short time)pitch their tent in the middle of our group. Third, it led to all sorts of chat with other groups who wanted to know WHY we had a huge canoe at Greenbelt. We have asked the owners, who were off canoeing after GB last year, to PLEASE join us again this year, and bring the canoe too.
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oh dear, was it you then that myself and friend plonked in the middle of the year before last?
you mention for a short time, so maybe not, because when we realised we were camping right in the middle of a circled group as we started to detent , they came and helped us and were very nice adn welcoming.
And so it came to fruition that we"joined" their group for the weekend, made friends with a whole new bunch of people, some of who we are still in touch with today, and got fed by them too, bonus!
eta, they came to help in the way of saying, you dont have to move!
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Originally posted by Tumphouse:
we are a biggish group and in the past, have had people trying to, (and in one case actually managing to, for a short time)pitch their tent in the middle of our group.
If you're setting up in a popular area (eg: nearer the site) then it's not exactly recommended that you leave a large open area in the middle of your tents - if you want a large area for your exclusive use start by going further from the action. Not that I'm saying you were hogging prime real estate, but over the years I've seen it tried on numerous occasions. Most of the time you don't need a large area within a ring of tents anyway because most of the members of any group at any time will be somewhere else.
Putting a large canoe in the space to keep it seems somewhat counter-productive though. If you need the space so people can sit around and have a sociable cuppa together then the canoe would surely get in the way ![[Confused]](confused.gif) One or more reasonable sized ground sheets pegged out would seem to be far more practical.
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