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chicklegirl
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QM, I must say--if you had to make a change, I'm ever so grateful we went from posh to plush (which is equally luxurious and avoids the problematic connotation of "probability of severe hail").

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quote:
Originally posted by chicklegirl:
QM, I must say--if you had to make a change, I'm ever so grateful we went from posh to plush (which is equally luxurious and avoids the problematic connotation of "probability of severe hail").

What is it with women and sensible shoes? [Roll Eyes]

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I am going to post my own element now.

Polonium

Po with a score of 31 which is one of my lucky numbers along with 37.

Po was also a character from the teletubbies.

Polonium 210 was used by a Russian agent to kill a dissident in London.

So that should put me through to the next round unless everybody actually posts an element.

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P L U S H Points for the anagram solutions

A 0 0 1 0 Jedijudy : First with many of the answers
A 0 0 2 0 Jedijudy : Checking my PMs she was the only one to crack my code last year
A 0 0 2 0 Caty the Southerner : First one with the complete solution
A 0 1 0 0 Mertseger : For sending me the answer to two anagrams, including mine
A 0 0 1 0 Icklejen : For everyone apart from Lawrence
A 0 0 1 0 Ann : For everyone apart from Lawrence
A 0 0 2 0 Golden Key : For the complete solution
A 0 0 1 0 Jedijudy : For persistence resulting in a complete set of answers
A 0 1 0 0 Annie P : For sending me a PM with her anagram in : Such Jest Sir
A 0 0 2 0 Wet Kipper : For a complete set of answers and in tabular form

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P L U S H Points for page three

3 0 0 0 1 Mertseger : For the link to the periodic table
3 0 1 0 0 Ann : For the link to the song about the elements
3 0 1 0 0 Pure as Snow : For the link to the Dihydrogen Monooxide site
3 0 1 0 0 Golden Key : For the "periodic table set to music" link
3 0 0 1 0 Hart : Good question
3 0 1 0 0 Golden Key : Good answer
3 0 0 1 0 The Rogue : That was my first thought too
3 0 0 1 0 Hart : Good explanation
3 0 1 0 0 Wet Kipper : For getting pirates to relate to chemical elements
3 0 0 0 1 Rugmaker : NO
3 0 0 1 0 The Rogue : There speaks the voice of experience
3 0 0 0 1 Flags Fiend : For another link to a periodic table
3 0 0 0 1 Smudgie : For being a mathematics teacher
3 0 1 0 0 Smudgie : For taking Gwai's interjection to another level
3 0 1 0 0 Jedijudy : For pulling several threads into a single garment
3 0 1 0 0 Gwai : Reaching that other level
3 0 0 1 0 Chicklegirl : For having an excellent memory
3 0 0 0 1 Golden Key : For a very well laid out post
3 0 0 -1 0 Annie P : For winding up Icklejen during her trauma
3 0 1 0 0 Hart : I will get you to work out all the options if needed
3 0 0 1 0 Pure as Snow : For a very appropriate literary reference
3 0 0 0 1 Lady A : For continuing to support an old penguin

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sharkshooter

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quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
More Whimsy for those that love it.

P L U S H Points

2 0 1 0 0 Sharkshooter : You seriously use blanks for that?

Some of us only have blanks left.

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Smudgie

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quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
P L U S H Points for page three

3 0 0 0 1 Lady A : For continuing to support an old penguin

Old? Old??? [Paranoid]

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Caty S.

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Smudgie, you don't look a day over 21.
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Annie P

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quizmaster:
Annie P : For sending me a PM with her anagram in : Such Jest Sir

Look, when you get to being 8 months pregnant, everything is confusing!! [Help]

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quote:
Originally posted by Annie P:

Look, when you get to being 8 months pregnant...

I just thought of a round for in 3-6 weeks time. [Biased]

Weight and length perhaps [Big Grin] .

Congratulations Annie, hope things are smooth.

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I think we had a Circus "Baby Pool" for Annie and Tom's first, as well.

quote:
Quizmaster scored:
2 0100 Comet: For completely confusing me (but I did do it!)

if I can but serve this one humble purpose, than my work here is done.

(but I'm not leaving. There's a whole lot more people to confuse. Get to work, woman!)

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Annie P

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quote:
Originally posted by Pure as the Driven Yellow Snow:
quote:
Originally posted by Annie P:

Look, when you get to being 8 months pregnant...

I just thought of a round for in 3-6 weeks time. [Biased]

Weight and length perhaps [Big Grin] .

Congratulations Annie, hope things are smooth.

I like it... Be my guest. If you are really nice to me, I might even tell you what the last one weighed (just to give you an idea of what I'm capable of!)

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Wet Kipper
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quote:
Originally posted by Quizmaster:
Wet Kipper : For getting pirates to relate to chemical elements

well, anyone who picked an Inert Gas could well have linked it to the Pirates who don't do anything

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jedijudy

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Whew. My internet has been down since late last week, and I was so afraid that I had missed a round.

To let y'all know how addicted to this quiz I can be, this was the first thing I checked here at w*rk today. [Hot and Hormonal] And my Boss never even noticed!

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Everyone has had long enough now.

Knocked Out in ROUND ONE

EJCardiff
Paul W
Professor Kirke
Radagasty

Qualifiers:

Ann
Annie P
Caty the Southerner
Chicklegirl
Chorister
Comet
Davelarge
Doublethink
Flags Fiend
Golden Key
Hart
Icklejen
Jedijudy
Jonah the Whale
Lady A
Mertseger
Nutmeg
Pure as Snow
Quizmaster
Rugasaw
Rugmaker
Sharkshooter
Smudgie
The Rogue
Wet Kipper

Round Two tonight, if I don't forget. [Biased]

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ROUND TWO : BRITISH SPEEDWAY

You must pick a British Speedway team from one of the three leagues, Elite, Premier or Conference.

I will ascertain the average of the top rider for that team and the person who picks the team whose top rider comes out as the median when all averages are placed in order will be eliminated.

As always, if you do not understand then just pick a team and hope!

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comet

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From Premier......
the Workington Comets! like I could pass that one up.


[major edit - read the directions funny. all well now...]

[ 25. September 2007, 21:32: Message edited by: comet ]

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Caty S.

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Speedway, hmmm?

I'll go with the Plymouth Devils. I have no idea how they are likely to score, but when I lived down south I used to to supermarket across the road from where they compete. I feel nostalgic.

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Ann

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Looking through the Trade Journal, leaving this team for our very own penguin, and noticing that there's nothing that close to home, I'll go for the Ipswich Witches, just because.

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Adam.

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I'll take the Oxford Cheetahs and note that it's interesting to see another British sport use US-style team naming conventions. How long have they had these kind of names?

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Caty S.

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quote:
Originally posted by caty the southerner:
when I lived down south I used to to supermarket across the road from where they compete. I feel nostalgic.

Which when translated into English reads, I used to go to the supermarket across the road.

[Disappointed]


[Still got it wrong. Double [Disappointed] ]

[ 25. September 2007, 21:52: Message edited by: caty the southerner ]

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rugasaw
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I chose the Stoke Potters for my team. Even though I can't seem to find a home website for them. They are on Caty's site, which I recommend. I had to go for the Potters after all the name strikes fear in the heart of all clay footed people.

[ 25. September 2007, 21:53: Message edited by: rugasaw ]

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Patdys
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Because I'm diving* this weekend,
Boston Barracudas.

And Qm,
quote:
person who picks the team whose top rider comes out as the median when all averages are placed in order will be eliminated

Whats wrong with just the average then eh? [Razz] mutters mode median mean muddle: mankers!


*Actually a rescue divers course. Artificial respiration in the water is quite an art form. Still, after last weekend, if you are drowning on the bottom of a swimming pool, and I just happen to pass by in full scuba gear, rest assured, I can try to save you.

[ 25. September 2007, 22:22: Message edited by: Pure as the Driven Yellow Snow ]

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The Rogue
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My selection is:

We use portly tubbies dancing

because they are bottom of their table and so their best rider is likely to be further away from the median.

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Doublethink.
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She selects Scunthorpe Scorpions; seduced subtly, sans sense, sans sentiment, silliness supreme !

[ 25. September 2007, 22:29: Message edited by: Doublethink ]

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Wet Kipper
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I shall go local, and pick the Edinburgh Monarchs, who race in the Speedway Premier League.

I say local - Edinburgh is about 20 miles away from me. Mind you, Armadale, where they actually race, is about 8 miles in the other direction !!

[ 25. September 2007, 22:36: Message edited by: Wet Kipper ]

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Mertseger

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Continuing with my usual theme, I just have to go with the Ipswich Witches. I haven't found any listing of the top riders by teams, but here are some current team standings. For the sake of brinksmanship I'd like to be closer to the middle, but I've gotta go with the Witches.

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Mertseger

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Rats, just noticed that Ann swooped on the Witches. Then I must go with the Plymouth Devils instead.

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Mertseger

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Ah, there we go. Here's a nifty sortable table of most of the rider's standings.

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Wet Kipper
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quote:
Originally posted by Mertseger:
Rats, just noticed that Ann swooped on the Witches. Then I must go with the Plymouth Devils instead.

erm, someone else (caty) got the Devils first too.
Try again - 3rd time's a charm

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Lady A

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Well, I started with 4 teams, and two have been picked. So, I think I'll have to go with the Newcastle Diamonds. We used to live near Seattle and after we moved away, the area incorporated and named themselves Newcastle from the old mines that were there. Just so you know, the golf course there was built on years of our trash and yard waste we dumped.
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Mertseger

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quote:
Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
quote:
Originally posted by Mertseger:
Rats, just noticed that Ann swooped on the Witches. Then I must go with the Plymouth Devils instead.

erm, someone else (caty) got the Devils first too.
Try again - 3rd time's a charm

Gah! That's what I get for trying to pick a team ten minutes before I had to leave for somewhere. Okay, I'll go with my best guesstimate of the current rider median across the leagues according to the page I posted, the Reading Racers even though it breaks my streak of occult entries. This time I used the browser search function to make sure the team had not been selected.

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Golden Key
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Glasgow Tigers, please.

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Smudgie

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How can I fail to support my local speedway team, Wightlink Islanders seeing as they kindly let me and the Smudgelets cycle repeatedly round their track to the point of near exhaustion to raise money for the Bikeathon for Leukaemia Research.

Mind you, Quizmaster may not take kindly to this choice, after the memorable trouncing the Islanders gave the Exeter Falcons during my first introduction to the delights of speedway [Biased]

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chicklegirl
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quote:
Originally posted by Lady A:
Well, I started with 4 teams, and two have been picked. So, I think I'll have to go with the Newcastle Diamonds. We used to live near Seattle and after we moved away, the area incorporated and named themselves Newcastle from the old mines that were there. Just so you know, the golf course there was built on years of our trash and yard waste we dumped.

Lady A, you're making me a bit nostalgic; before we moved to our present location, we lived in Bellevue, just north of the area you mentioned. In college--where I majored in history--I did a lot of research about the Newcastle coal mines... ah, that takes me back!

Anyway, my speedway pick is the Coventry Bees.

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Nutmeg
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Quizzy your challenges are up to standard, and the instructions sufficiently confounding.

I will go with the Poole Pirates because somebody is going to have to back these good looking young chaps.

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Annie P

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Well, continuing on the local theme - I'll go for the Cleveland Bays who seem a nice bunch of chaps down at Redcar. (Perhaps we should go some time?? [Ultra confused] )

Here's a list of the ones gone so far
Cleveland Bays
Plymouth Devils
Reading Racers
Workington Comets
Ipswich Witches
Oxford Cheetahs
Stoke Potters
Boston Barracudas (as in the NE British Boston?)
Sittingbourne Crusaders
Newcastle Diamons
Glasgow Tigers
Wightlink Islanders
Coventry Bees
Pool Pirates

This is just for my sanity, not just for others. Man, I wish I had been a fly on the wall at some of the brain storming meetings when they came up with some of those names...

Is this a too obvious attempt for some plush points I wonder!!

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Liberty

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There are other sports! [Eek!]

I'll support the team currently 6th in the Premier League... Somerset.

ij x

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Imaginary Friend

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Somerset? Did anything good ever come out of Somerset?

Cheddar cheese, cider and Marcus Trescothick are the only things that I can think of. I'm still disappointed in you though.

davelarge
(born and bred in Bristol)

Oh yeah, the point...
I'll have Scunthorpe Scorpions for no particular reason.

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I'll go for the Lakeside Hammers for being local and having a ludicrously derivative name.

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Rugmaker
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quote:
Originally posted by davelarge:

Oh yeah, the point...
I'll have Scunthorpe Scorpions for no particular reason.

Dave, you might want to check Doublethink's post above...

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flags_fiend
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I'll go for the Sheffield Tigers since it is local.

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quote:
Originally posted by Annie P:

Here's a list of the ones gone so far...

you missed mine out of that list [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Rugmaker:
quote:
Originally posted by davelarge:

Oh yeah, the point...
I'll have Scunthorpe Scorpions for no particular reason.

Dave, you might want to check Doublethink's post above...
Oops, I only checked Annie P's list. I'll try again with the Weymouth Wildcats, but still for no particular reason.

dave

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Annie P

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quote:
Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
quote:
Originally posted by Annie P:

Here's a list of the ones gone so far...

you missed mine out of that list [Razz]
Ok, so I might have missed a couple out - I never said I was reliable! (Check out the 8 month pregnancy thing...)

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One of the hopers and guessers here.
I pick the Peterborough Panthers, which some of my neighbors might call "Painters".

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(This may well be the most boring post in the history of KOQ's, but while other people count sheep to fall asleep, I do math. Last night I considered the theory of median elimination rounds, and wanted to share my results. I'll not provide full proofs of the assertions here. The current round shall serve as an example throughout.

Let's first consider the case where the number of possible choices and the number of players are finite. I'll consider infinite possible choices later since it's a remarkably different beast. I shan't consider the infinite number of monkies at the keyboard case.

Let N be the number of choices. N = 35 this round.

Let M be the number of players. M = 25 this round.

For the nonce I'll assume that the N choices are mutually distinct and orderable. Cases where there are lots a of duplicate values gets interesting, but I don't think I'll delve that direction today.

I'll also assume that M is odd for the moment. The even M case is only marginally more interesting.

I'll assume for now that the ranking of the N choices is known or at least knowable ahead of the choice making. The unknown ranking case follows fairly easily from the known ranking case.

I'll assume that the players all must make different choices from each other, and that the prior choices of previous players are known to each player.

(M-1) of the choices are absolutely safe. They are the (M-1)/2 lowest and the (M-1)/2 highest choices. Let's call the interval between the safe choices the danger zone.

Result 1 You cannot be eliminated if you make a safe choice. This result is independent of whether the ranking is known ahead of the choice making.

Example:

If the widget I found is the same as the Quizmaster uses (and the average column is used to rank, and inactive riders do count in the mix) then the following are the safe choices for this round:

Poole
Edinburgh
Swindon
Peterborough
Somerset
Plymouth
Workington
Redcar
Scunthorpe
Sheffield
Boston
Wolverhampton
Isle of Wight
Stoke
Belle Vue
Oxford
Newcastle
Buxton
Berwick
Lakeside
Mildenhall
Newport
Stoke Spitfires
Sittingbourne

Let's call someone who intentionally makes a safe choice "rational".

Result 2 If all the players are rational, the player making the last choice will be eliminated.

Interestingly, if there are at least two irrational players, then the player making the last choice can under certain conditions choose which of two players get eliminated:

Result 3 If there are at least two irrational players and at least one choice still available above the middle pair and one choice below the middle pair, the person making the last choice gets to select which of the middle two gets eliminated.

Thus, strangely in a game of rational players, the person choosing last has the least power, but if there are a few irrational players the last person choosing has the most power.

Unknown Choices

The are still safe and dangerous choices.

Result 4 The rational player will maximize the chance that their choice is in the set of safe choices.

Infinite Knowable Choices

If there are at least countably infinite knowable choices, the game changes completely.

Result 5 There is no set of safe choices in this case.

Result 6 Any of the first (M+1)/2 players making a choice can be eliminated by the cooperative play of the remaining players.

Thus, this version of the game becomes a game of waiting as long as you can, and an unpopularity contest amoung the first (M+1)/2 players if the subsequent players are playing rationally.

I'll leave the fiddly bits about even M as an exercise for the reader.)

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What Mertseger said! [Biased]

I have found no fault with that analysis to date.

DAVE!

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chicklegirl
Shipmate
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A-HA! Mertseger has confirmed what I suspected from Quizmaster's comments elsewhere--the Bees are long shot.

QM, you are offering points for brinksmanship this year, I hope? (I do so love an underdog !)

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Quick quipper
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Just to make sure I qualify I shall choose:

Swindon Robins

I would love to see them win next Monday.

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