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Geneviève
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I pick Sinbad the Sailor whose stories take place during the reign of Harun al Rashid from 763-809 CE. A lot earlier than the date that is giving Marvin goosebumps.
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The Rogue
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Marvin, what happens if someone picks the same year as you?
I am going for Georges Reney Le Peley de Pleville who seved on the Brilliant (a privateer) which was subsequently requisitioned as a troop transport. After a few more ships he became the Governor of the port of Marseilles and later a minister for the navy and an admiral. He died in 1805. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
etc spelling
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I'll pick Commodore Henry Harwood, who commanded the British squadron at the Battle of the River Plate. He died in 1950.
After counting my entry, the median is exactly 1805.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
Marvin, what happens if someone picks the same year as you?
We're both up for the drop. Nice brinkmanship!
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It shouldn't be too hard for the remaining contestants to swing it so you both get the chop: One person goes higher and the next person lower, and so on until Quizzy wields the axe...
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Originally posted by CuppaT:
Here's a picture of Jonah for Hart.
Scarey looking fish, but the Prophet does not seem very perturbed. He's repented for three days and has written his homily (which takes all of one half a verse).
It's impressive how he hasn't got his scroll wet, isn't it?
Thanks, CuppaT.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by davelarge:
It shouldn't be too hard for the remaining contestants to swing it so you both get the chop: One person goes higher and the next person lower, and so on until Quizzy wields the axe...
Indeed. The Rogue and I are sailing some pretty choppy waters right now...
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Mertseger
Faerie Bard
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Since Talk Like A Pirate Day was so recent, I will take Grace O'Maley (Gráinne Ní Mháille, c. 1530 – c. 1603). She's shown on the left in the linked etching of her meeting with Elizabeth I.
One story of her adventures reputes that she was in labor when her ship was attacked by Turkish pirates, and excoriated her crew by saying, "May you be seven times worse off this day 12 months from now, you who cannot do without me for one day!" She finished giving birth, took the deck and chased off the Turks.
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jedijudy
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I would like to offer John F Kennedy as my sailor. During WWII, he was commander of the Motor Torpedo Boat PT-109. He was assassinated in 1963...and yes, I remember exactly where I was when that happened.
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East Price Road
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I choose "The Grocer": Edward Heath (1916-2005), ex-Prime Minister and yachtsman, who had his greatest yachting triumph in 1971.
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fletcher christian
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I pick myself. I died in 1793 at the age of 39, having hoped for paradise in Pitcairn. At least I managed to give Bligh what for, and one of my mates burnt what remained of his boat.
Fletcher Christian
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Geneviève
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Marvin, I still have some brandy, should you need a bit of comfort.
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Marvin the Martian
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At least I'll take that rogue, The Rogue, with me ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Geneviève
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Walking the plank together, eh? Or pushing each other off?
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Imaginary Friend
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There is still a fair chance that someone won't post...
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The Rogue
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Why am I suddenly the bad guy?
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Angel Wrestler
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Mary Read 1690 - 1721. An English pirate who was a better fighter than her husband, even standing in for him for a duel - and winning!
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rugasaw
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I am surprised nobody has picked one of these fellows.
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comet
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Originally posted by Chorister:
I pick Sir Francis Drake, famous Creamtealand sailor (although I don't think the Spanish liked him much), died c.1596 and was buried at sea, it is thought in a lead coffin. It is said that his drum will still sound whenever there is danger.
one of my favorite student bloopers (from a Richard Lederer book) reads, "Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 20 foot clipper."
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Nutmeg
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I am on holidays and posting from internet Cafe, so I only just so that I am a prime contender for elimination.
At least Marvin has taken the time to work it all out, the maths was beyond me...
Never Mind, I will fall on me cutlass or whatever.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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I pick Thor Heyerdahl, for the sake of the Kon-Tiki expedition. He died in 2002.
And for those yet to pick, here's who has been chosen so far:
- Andrew Cunningham, 1st Viscount Cunningham of Hyndhope - 1963
- Anthony Petit - 1943
- Jonah - 750 BCE
- Harry Pidgeon - 1954
- Popeye - 1994
- Blackbeard - 1718
- Simon Peter - 64 AD (approx)
- David Seaman - 2002 (metaphorically)
- Erik the red - 1003 (several takers)
- Captain Hendrik Van Der Decken - 1641/80 or 1729 (active after death)
- Sir Francis Drake - 1596
- Sahure - 2475 BCE
- Anne Bonny - 1721/82
- Sir Francis Chichester - 1972
- James Boag - 2008 (PATDYS homice victim)
- Mochitsura Hashimoto died - 2000
- Captain William Bligh - 1817
- Vice-Admiral Horatio Nelson - 1805
- Leif Erikson - 1020
- Sinbad the Sailor - 763-809 CE
- Georges Reney Le Peley de Pleville - 1805
- Commodore Henry Harwood - 1950.
- Grace O'Maley (Gráinne Ní Mháille) – 1603
- John F Kennedy - 1963
- Edward Heath - 2005
- Fletcher Christian - 1793
- Seaman Collins Frazier - 1811
- Mary Read - 1721
- Thor Heyerdahl - 2002
(I make the current median 1805, using the latest dates for all deaths and negative numbers for the BCE dates.)
[ETA my own pick into the list and calculation !)
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ephemera
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
I am surprised nobody has picked one of these fellows.
I believe those boys are swimming, not sailing.
You need some rigging and a sail to be a sailor.
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PataLeBon
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If it was just picking a sailor, I would have picked Simon LeBon.
But he's not dead, yet. (Even if his ship overturned during a race)
And neither is his career, (yeah, yeah, so I still listen to older men who make music...shoot me! )
Fastnet race
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rugasaw
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Originally posted by ephemera:
quote:
Originally posted by rugasaw:
I am surprised nobody has picked one of these fellows.
I believe those boys are swimming, not sailing.
You need some rigging and a sail to be a sailor.
Sailor or seamen(if considered phonetically)
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ephemera
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
Sailor or seamen(if considered phonetically)
You are absolutely right.
I know better than to just fling out a frivolous answer without checking the original post. But do I listen to my internal voice? No. Of course not. Sorry. I'll do better.
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The Great Gumby
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
I am surprised nobody has picked one of these fellows.
Well, I've got a connected choice, in the form of Seaman Staines, the apocryphal character in Captain Pugwash, as debunked by Snopes. Unfortunately, there isn't a handy picture available, but he could be said to have died in 1991, when John Ryan's court action forced two newspapers to admit that he didn't exist.
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote:
Originally posted by The Rogue:
Why am I suddenly the bad guy?
I have a good PR team ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Marvin the Martian
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Right, my analysis (assuming that Seaman Staines is included) shows that the median right now is 1808.
There is one competitor left to post. If he posts a date higher than that year, Gwai is out. Lower, and The Rogue and I are out. That one remaining competitor has in his hands the power of life and death (in the Quiz sense) over all three of us.
That competitor is Quizmaster.
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The Rogue
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I'm surprised that there has still been no discussion of what a median is compared to mean, mode, average etc.
I also note that Quizmaster said
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The person who posts the sailor who died closest to the median average year of death will be eliminated.
Is the "median average" a new form of statistical analysis which he will define when assessing this round?
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The Rogue
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If QM posts 1811 or 1805 he is out along with Gwai or Marvin & me respectively. If he posts somewhere between those dates he has sacrificed himself and if he doesn't post he is also out.
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Imaginary Friend
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Is it safe for Quizzy to be wielding so much power?
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the pilgrim
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I KNEW IT!! IT'S ALL RIGGED!!!
sorry, bad sailing pun.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by davelarge:
Is it safe for Quizzy to be wielding so much power?
I can't think of anyone more worthy of holding such power than our thrice-blessed Quizmaster (may his tribe increase). I have confidence that he will wield the power he so rightly holds at his command in the way which is best.
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Geneviève
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Your assessment depends on the the Quizmaster (should we automatically now put the ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) after his name?) accepting all the posts so far. Some of us did not identify a specific date on which our sailor of interest bit the dust, walked the plank, or just keeled over.
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rugasaw
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
I'm surprised that there has still been no discussion of what a median is compared to mean, mode, average etc.
I also note that Quizmaster said
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The person who posts the sailor who died closest to the median average year of death will be eliminated.
Is the "median average" a new form of statistical analysis which he will define when assessing this round?
Averages argument part ?. I suspect the QM has been specific about the type of average on purpose. In previous quizzes we all learned the different meanings of the word average. I do however like the nearest the median bit. There are 31 competitors this round. That would normally make the median a number nobody picked and to eliminate someone they would have to be closest to the median. With Rogue and Marvin posting the same year of death the median might fall on their YOD. If that is the case we can now argue is the exactly same YOD as the median the closest or does the closest exclude the exact YOD. And do we tell the loser to YOD off?
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The Great Gumby
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Originally posted by rugasaw:
There are 31 competitors this round. That would normally make the median a number nobody picked and to eliminate someone they would have to be closest to the median.
Don't think so. In a set containing any odd number of figures, one will be the exact median. This can be demonstrated by proving the trivial case where there is one number entered, and thence by induction for n+2. If there are 31 entries, the 16th highest (which will also be the 16th lowest) will be the exact median.
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the pilgrim
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But, what if the average is achieved by taking the total number of years between the present and the various years of death posted, dividing this number by the total number of posters, and then going back from the present that many years to find the average year of death? – That would indeed be the average year of death.
My calculation shows that year to be somewhere between 1412 and 1421, accounting for the entries with more than one possible correct date of death. THAT calculation would put Mertseger's entry in jeopardy of being knocked out as closest to the average date of death! Grace O'Maley's death in 1603 is only 182/191 years apart from the average date of 1412/1421!
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Adam.
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quote:
Originally posted by the pilgrim:
But, what if the average is achieved by taking the total number of years between the present and the various years of death posted, dividing this number by the total number of posters, and then going back from the present that many years to find the average year of death? – That would indeed be the average year of death.
That would be the mean, not the median, and QM's been explicit that he's using the median.
tGG's completely correct that with an odd number of players all posting an answer from some totally ordered set, someone is guaranteed to hit the median. I'm guessing the reason QM said "closest to" rather than "at" was that he hadn't calculated the parity of the number of players.
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Geneviève
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How are y'all figuring in the entries where the YOD is a range? Are you going for the median of the range?
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Quizmaster
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What should I do?
Discussion starting in the other place.
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Wet Kipper
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don't forget, also rans can also have a bearing on the calculations for the competition, and to that end, I choose:
Vasco de Gama who died in 1524
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Quizmaster
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Brilliant WK.
In that case I can now go for Sir Peter Parker who was involved in the capture of New York.
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Quizmaster
Quick quipper
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You may have worked it out.
I have to post that MY sailor died in 1811.
That gives us:
-2475 Sahure
-750 Jonah
64 Saint Peter
809 Sinbad the Sailor
1003 Erik the Red
1020 Leif Erikson
1524 Vasco de Gama
1596 Sir Francis Drake
1603 Grace O'Malley
1718 Blackbeard
1721 Mary Read
1729 Hendrik Van Der Decken
1782 Anne Bonny
1793 Fletcher Christian
1805 Horatio Nelson
1805 Georges Reney Le Peley
1811 Collins Frazier
1811 Sir Peter Parker
1817 William Bligh
1946 Anthony Petit
1950 Henry Harwood
1954 Harry Pidgeon
1963 John F Kennedy
1963 Sir Andrew Cunningham
1972 Sir Francis Chichester
1991 Seaman Staines
1994 Popeye
2000 Mochitsura Hashimoto
2002 Thor Heyerdahl
2002 David Seaman
2005 Edward Heath
2008 James Boag
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Quizmaster
Quick quipper
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So, in the closest the Knockout Quiz will ever come to a bloodbath, and coming so early in the contest it is a bit of a shock, FOUR people are eliminated for being the MEDIAN AVERAGE entries:
Goodbye as competitors, Hello as Also Rans to:
Gwai
Marvin the Martian
Quizmaster
The Rogue
QUALIFIERS
Angel Wrestler
Caty.
Chicklegirl
Chorister
Comet
CuppaT
Davelarge
Doublethink
East Price Road
Ephemera
Flags_Fiend
Fletcher Christian
Genevieve
Golden Key
Hart
Icklejen
Jedijudy
Mertseger
Nutmeg
PataLeBon
Patdys
Rugasaw
Rugmaker
Sharkshooter
Surfing Madness
The Great Gumby
The Pilgrim
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Quizmaster
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ROUND FOUR : SHIPS
You have to post the name of a ship.
If you post a picture of that ship your post will be better.
You need to post the top speed of that ship and if possible post a link to a website that shows that speed.
The competitor who posts the slowest ship will be eliminated. In the case of a tie, the quality of the post will be used to make the decision.
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