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Thread: Purgatory: The political junkie POTUS prediction thread
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moron
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Originally posted by Twilight:
mjg: Your post used the words "if" and "there would be" clearing indicating that you were predicting the future, not talking about the past.
No need to make trite jokes about mental illness, your problem is communication not medication.
My bold.
(5500! And thanks for participating. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) )
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eeGAD
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Happy Birthday to this thread.
It has been both informative and entertaining, as it was the first SoF thread I read each day. Thanks to all the participants from the past year. I, for one, am going to miss it.
eeG
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by mjg:
Way back when Hillary was still in the running I suggested if she won, and was overly aggressive about implementing her agenda, there would be a backlash in 2010 comparable to 1994. I think Obama is shrewd enough to avoid her mistakes (although a few people don't see selecting Emanuel as being particularly conciliatory), and with all the concern about 'fixing' things the mood of the nation seems less antagonistic toward 'reform'.
[Selective bold text mine - B62]
Twilight, I see no communication problem. mjg was referring to what he saw as Hillary Clinton's historical mistakes of over-aggressive implementation. She might have repeated them if she had won, mjg thinks Obama will avoid that risk.
Now you might disagree with him about his take on this particular bit of history, but his meaning seems very clear, to me at least.
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Twilight
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Okay, I guess the "if she won" threw me.
Sorry, mjg, dissing Hillary and ridiculing the mentally ill are two things that get me riled.
Or maybe I just wanted one last fight -- like EeGad, I'm going to miss this thread.
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moron
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Originally posted by Twilight:
Okay, I guess the "if she won" threw me.
Sorry, mjg, dissing Hillary and ridiculing the mentally ill are two things that get me riled.
Or maybe I just wanted one last fight -- like EeGad, I'm going to miss this thread.
It was certainly no intention of mine to ridicule the mentally ill except insofar as I have been led to believe by medical professionals it has therapeutic value in certain instances... make of that what you will.
And I think I'm still in the 'denial' stage in my grief over the end of this thread. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Amazing Grace
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
What about Hilary? Is she likely to try again, either in 2012 or 2016? Somehow I can't see her staying at home and knitting quietly.
I doubt it. Running against an incumbent from one's own party is generally frowned upon and age might be a factor later.
Things will be hopping at her day job in the Senate.
Charlotte
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Amazing Grace
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Originally posted by OliviaG:
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
The conventional wisdom _is_ that a protracted primary battle will hurt you in the general. But it all seems to have been turned on its head with this one.
Could it be because few candidates have made it through the primaries without doing something stupid or outrageous? ISTM Obama made it through a protracted primary battle with aplomb and without nastiness or serious missteps.
PS Any word from Huckabee as to whether God still wants him for President? In 2012? Or 2016? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
I heard the name of Newt being thrown around. Now that's a blast from the past ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) .
Obama really ran an disciplined campaign. The organization he had in place for all those primaries was still there for the general. The grassroots fundraising didn't hurt either.
*waves bye-bye at thread*
Charlotte
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cliffdweller
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mjg-
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o the overreaching she and Bill attempted in 1993/4 RE Health Care which some pundits suggest fomented the Gingrich led repub gains in the House and Senate is another one of my delusions?
Ironically, in the last several years, Sen. Clinton has been approached by several prominent business leaders and the US Chamber of Commerce begging her to help them come up with solutions to the health insurance debacle. What Clinton proposed back in 1993 was sound, effective, good policy-- it just was a bit ahead of it's time. In 1993 there were enough Americans with good private insurance to listen to the scare mongerers screaming about "she's going to force us all into HMO's!" and "you won't be able to choose your doctor!"
Today, not so much. Won't be able to choose your doctor? Forced into an HMO? The vast majority of us gave up those two years ago. Today we are pathetically grateful to have ANY form of health insurance-- most assuredly an HMO, with no choice of doctors. We'll pay through the nose for it ($1000/mo for my household) and bow and scrape for our employer for fear we'll lose it. Employers meanwhile are desperately trying to continue benefits that increase at several times the rate of inflation while prices and demand for their goods and services are falling rapidly.
If you take Sen. Clinton's plan that was proposed in 1993 exactly as proposed, and describe it to the average right-wing conservative, with no name attached, they will tell you that's exactly what we need-- until you tell them it's the 1993 Clinton plan. Try it. I've tried it many times and have yet to have someone not go for it.
I predict Sen. Clinton will be the pivotal but behind-the-scenes player in developing universal health care for the US, which will be the most significant factor (second only to getting out of Iraq) to turning our economy around.
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Foolhearty
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Yes, ISTM that any overreaching re: health care back in the early Clinton day was done by the insurance lobbies and arch-conservatives.
I too will miss this thread. Toodle-oo!
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mousethief
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Do, thread, go gentle into that good night.
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Wesley J
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Will it go to Oblivion, I wonder? Or be shredded?
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Nicolemr
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baring some totally unforseen disaster, Obama will be the democratic candidate in 2012, that's just the way it is.
Hilary has already shown signs of intending to make her mark in the Senate, a la ted Kennedy. Though I'm still thinking an apointment of some kind in obama's government is possible.
*Waves good bye to the thread*
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agrgurich
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Goodbye, thread! Off to Limbo with you.
[ 09. November 2008, 18:13: Message edited by: agrgurich ]
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
[QUOTE]I heard the name of Newt being thrown around. Now that's a blast from the past .
Charlotte
Yea, nominating an old, washed up, white guy worked so well for them this time.
![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
Good-bye, thread -- how long till 'The political junkie POTUS 2012 prediction thread' is started? (I think the first Primaries are in about six months...)
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Sioni Sais
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'bye old thread. I've learned quite a bit here.
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Robert Armin
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Good night sweet thread, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
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comet
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Die, thread! Die Die DIE!
you weirdo saps.
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John Holding
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As I post, it's two hours to midnight GMT.
ALmost there, people, almost there.
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[ 09. November 2008, 22:01: Message edited by: John Holding ]
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Hare today
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Originally posted by John Holding:
As I post, it's two hours to midnight GMT.
ALmost there, people, almost there.
John Holding
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One hour, actually, but I'm sure that somebody will make use of your generosity!
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RooK
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I can't believe I voluntarily read this whole thing. Clearly, I have too much time to waste.
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Amazing Grace
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
[QUOTE]I heard the name of Newt being thrown around. Now that's a blast from the past .
Charlotte
Yea, nominating an old, washed up, white guy worked so well for them this time.
Good-bye, thread -- how long till 'The political junkie POTUS 2012 prediction thread' is started? (I think the first Primaries are in about six months...)
Wellllll, Huckabee's on a "book tour" in Iowa.
I live in Fundraising Central so I'll keep my ears open for trips. But, yeah, talking about it at this point is kind of silly.
Charlotte
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Alfred E. Neuman
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And the winner is...Bede's American Successor who was the first to mention Obama without H. Clinton on Nov. 9, 2007:: quote:
Obama can connect on that deeply personal level. He honed that skill doing street-level politics in Chicago.
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Amazing Grace
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I thought we had another post-election shout-out about "Ron Paul is the man!!1!" as well to square the circle from the other side, but that was on another thread .
Well done, Bede!
Charlotte
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Clint Boggis
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I've followed a lot of this thread and found it very informative and entertaining.
Thanks everyone here and to US voters: thanks!
I'm really looking forward to see Obama's America.
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Twilight
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It's only fitting that the thread should end just after Sarah Palin has been tagged and released back into the wild.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by 206:
You know you want to feed your addiction, and the doctor is in.
[From the OP]
... to administer "cold turkey" until the next time. Thanks to all for a memorable thread about a memorable series of events.
This thread is now closing as Big Ben strikes on the radio.
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