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Alfred E. Neuman
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If this works out the way I expect... and it surely will. This Obama delegate will vote McCain this November. If the dumbass citizens of this country haven't the wit to recognize the opportunity that is before them... they deserve four more years of Bush III.
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Cruella
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Originally posted by RuthW:
This would still heavily favor candidates who are already well-known across the country.
(We've already had this discussion on this thread, by the way -- go back to page three and start with moonlit door's wondering why we can't have all the primaries on the same day.)
Yes I do realize that but those of us who have very late primary dates have always been shut out.. it's a done deal usually but this year it isn't (the heavens open and the choirs sing!)
But really, what is the real problem with the entire country having primaries the same day? So far the heavily favored candidates are picked in Iowa and New Hampshire (at least as far as the media is concerned) and it's been a done deal. I HATE that!
Not sure why Puerto Rico has more delegates than Kentucky, West Virginia, Montana and South Dakota have individually. That's REALLY weird...
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Cruella:
But really, what is the real problem with the entire country having primaries the same day?
Read the thread you're posting on. It's already been explained. The discussion of the primary system begins on page three. For fuck's sake, I gave you a link last time!
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Oops. I apologise for having restarted a discussion point that had already been done to death. Sorry.
Out of interest...are you still getting Obama/Clinton updates every day on the "news" over there?
It seems to have dried up a bit here in Blighty...but that might just be because of Easter and such. What's the blarney?
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WatersOfBabylon
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Uh oh! Somebody's in trouble! What will this new development mean for Hilary's campaign?
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Originally posted by WatersOfBabylon:
Uh oh! Somebody's in trouble! What will this new development mean for Hilary's campaign?
Do you still, after all these years, believe that being caught in a lie is somehow a problem for the Clintons?????? I admire your innocence.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by tclune:
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Originally posted by WatersOfBabylon:
Uh oh! Somebody's in trouble! What will this new development mean for Hilary's campaign?
Do you still, after all these years, believe that being caught in a lie is somehow a problem for the Clintons?????? I admire your innocence.
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Maybe that gunfire was directed at Hillary. How do we know? If you aren't used to a war zone then hearing gunfire and seeing troops in fighting order can be unnerving (and why aren't I writing her campaign material?)
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
If you aren't used to a war zone then hearing gunfire and seeing troops in fighting order can be unnerving
To be fair, though, from the CBS footage, ole Hilary didn't exactly look unnerved. And if there had been gunfire in the way she described, would a young girl have been at her non-existent welcoming party to, er, welcome her or would they have all been a little too unnerved?
I caught the end of a report about some controversy in the campaign on the BBC this evening and wondered exactly what it was that was causing a stir. Must say that Hilary does seem to enjoy a good story! I wonder what else she has fabricated in order to turn the heads of the electorate in her direction ...
I wonder what else she might fabricate if she is elected?
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Orb
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Original quotation by Hillary Clinton:
It proves I'm human.
No. It proves you're a liar.
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I find it difficult to believe that someone with so much to lose would deliberately lie about something which so so easy to check. She's not stupid.
It has to be a mistake. Why not accept it? There's plenty of other stuff to make a case against her.
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Originally posted by Clint Boggis:
I find it difficult to believe that someone with so much to lose would deliberately lie about something which so so easy to check. She's not stupid.
It has to be a mistake. Why not accept it? There's plenty of other stuff to make a case against her.
To be fair to her, it's an easy mistake to make. I often think I'm being fired upon by snipers when in reality I'm simply being greeted as a dignitary by a little girl.
Seriously, if the Democrats think that Clinton is the best candidate, then I despair for you all. Purely from a foreign viewpoint, Obama seems to have won practically everyone I meet, and elected him will do wonders towards restoring damaged relations with the outside world (Anti-Americanism in Britain closely tied to contempt for Bush)and I can't see any positives in rejecting him in favour of Clinton or McCain at all.
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As the bullet-riddled plane rolled to a stop, we grabbed our flak-jackets and dove from the door, running. Staccato bursts of gunfire stitched a pattern across the asphalt sending hot metal fragments ripping through my camouflage panty hose. The pain was intense but I kept dodging. My heroic speechwriter was the first to go down, having thrown himself between me and and the militia attack - his head exploding in a red mist of bone and brain matter.
The entourage were scattering like chickens in a hurricane when I grabbed a machine gun from a fallen guard and began firing back. My daughter, Chelsea, stayed by my side feeding me ammo clips as we advanced on the enemy. Soon, we were able to find a position behind a cratered wall where Chelsea lobbed a grenade into the nest of vipers. A horrendous explosion, then silence fell across the tarmac. Finally, we were able to organize the living into a suitable welcoming ceremony.
Some may call me a hero. Some may call me a fool. But in the end, I am simply a human.
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I don't know how to interpret Hillary's war story. She could be lying, or could have misremembered, or could simply have run off at the mouth.
OTOH, the other day McCain forgot that no WMDs had been found in Iraq. He was giving a speech and said they *had* been found. The man standing next to him corrected him. McCain accepted the correction, but seemed confused.
What if the main 3 candidates all washed out before November? Any ideas what we'd do then???
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Barnabas62
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I was just reminded (on another thread) of a disgraced politician in the UK (John Stonehouse) about whom the judge said at his trial that, for him, "truth was a moving target". A part of the disease of politics in the western world is our tendency to accept that, for all politicians in power, truth actually is "a moving target", more a matter of convenient rearrangement of the facts than anything else.
I think that was what was so impressive about Obama's speech. It was not at all a convenient rearranging of the facts, rather a head-on engagement with some extremely embarrassing facts. I hope he gets in and I hope he stays that way.
So far as Hilary and the "under fire" story is concerned, I'm reminded of another famous comment on a UK politician. This time by Mandy Rice Davies on John Profumo, re some false denial of his. "Well ...he would". It is easy to deceive yourself if you think truth is merely a matter of effective representation. It is a sign that you have lost your way.
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Come, come - she didn't 'lie', she mis-spoke!
I'm sure there's a difference somewhere - it's just that I can't see it! ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
Were I eligible, I have to say I think I'd be supporting Obama. If he's not elected, do you think he might be persuaded to change his nationality and stand for the British Parliament?
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Barnabas62
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Odd, isn't it TonyK? I wonder who will be the first politician to break the spell and say, simply "You got me! Good catch. I was playing with the truth for effect. I'm sorry. Not because I got found out, but because it was wrong to do it anyway. I won't do it again". Hilary could have done that. In the current climate, it might even have done her some good. To say just that you mis-spoke is to mis-speak.
The real hypocrisy is our own; the pretense that we never ever do the same. Never edit the truth to make ourselves look better. If politics is ever going to recover it's spoiled reputation, that spell is going to have to be broken both in them and in us.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
It is easy to deceive yourself if you think truth is merely a matter of effective representation.
That sums up my thoughts on the matter perfectly. So perfectly I might even make it into a new sig. if I may.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I don't know how to interpret Hillary's war story. She could be lying, or could have misremembered, or could simply have run off at the mouth.
OTOH, the other day McCain forgot that no WMDs had been found in Iraq. He was giving a speech and said they *had* been found. The man standing next to him corrected him. McCain accepted the correction, but seemed confused.
I think you misremembered ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) McCain never said this AFAIK. He did say that Iran was training Al Qaida terrorists, and was corrected by Leiberman -- they are enemies. Iran stands accused of training Shi'ite terrorists, not Al Qaeda terrorists. The thing that makes this a problem for McCain is not that anyone believes he didn't know the difference, but that many people are worried that he may be old enough to be losing his faculties. If people see this as evidence of diminishing capacity, it could be a problem for him.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
It is easy to deceive yourself if you think truth is merely a matter of effective representation.
That sums up my thoughts on the matter perfectly. So perfectly I might even make it into a new sig. if I may.
Be my guest. I nick one-liners from all over the place but that one is an original barnabas.
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Originally posted by Gort:
As the bullet-riddled plane rolled to a stop, we grabbed our flak-jackets and dove from the door, running. Staccato bursts of gunfire stitched a pattern across the asphalt sending hot metal fragments ripping through my camouflage panty hose. The pain was intense but I kept dodging. My heroic speechwriter was the first to go down, having thrown himself between me and and the militia attack - his head exploding in a red mist of bone and brain matter.
The entourage were scattering like chickens in a hurricane when I grabbed a machine gun from a fallen guard and began firing back. My daughter, Chelsea, stayed by my side feeding me ammo clips as we advanced on the enemy. Soon, we were able to find a position behind a cratered wall where Chelsea lobbed a grenade into the nest of vipers. A horrendous explosion, then silence fell across the tarmac. Finally, we were able to organize the living into a suitable welcoming ceremony.
Some may call me a hero. Some may call me a fool. But in the end, I am simply a human.
That's funny, Gort! You should develop it for a fictional story for publication. Perhaps called "My [True] Life: The Unauthorized Biography of Hillary Rodham Clinton?"
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
What if the main 3 candidates all washed out before November? Any ideas what we'd do then???
Alan Keyes or Newt Gingrinch to the rescue?
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Alfred E. Neuman
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I'd rather write one for Bush titled, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Presidency".
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Originally posted by New Yorker:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
What if the main 3 candidates all washed out before November? Any ideas what we'd do then???
Alan Keyes or Newt Gingrinch to the rescue?
Yeah, that would make any of the current three look good.
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SeraphimSarov
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Originally posted by Choirboy:
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Originally posted by New Yorker:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
What if the main 3 candidates all washed out before November? Any ideas what we'd do then???
Alan Keyes or Newt Gingrinch to the rescue?
Yeah, that would make any of the current three look good.
yeah, that would not be rescue but the country throwing in the towel.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
What if the main 3 candidates all washed out before November? Any ideas what we'd do then??? [/QB]
At least two will be washed out by November and the third will take a few months more.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
OTOH, the other day McCain forgot that no WMDs had been found in Iraq. He was giving a speech and said they *had* been found. The man standing next to him corrected him. McCain accepted the correction, but seemed confused.
That frightens me -- to think of a person like that in the White House. It wouldn't be Dubya but Reagan we'd have to relive.
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With McCain it's all about who the VP will be.
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Jeb? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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And that scares me even more, since he probably has to pick some whacko nutjob to shore up his conservative credentials.
[crossposted. But now Mousethief has scared me even more!]
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Originally posted by tclune:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I don't know how to interpret Hillary's war story. She could be lying, or could have misremembered, or could simply have run off at the mouth.
OTOH, the other day McCain forgot that no WMDs had been found in Iraq. He was giving a speech and said they *had* been found. The man standing next to him corrected him. McCain accepted the correction, but seemed confused.
I think you misremembered McCain never said this AFAIK. He did say that Iran was training Al Qaida terrorists, and was corrected by Leiberman -- they are enemies. Iran stands accused of training Shi'ite terrorists, not Al Qaeda terrorists. The thing that makes this a problem for McCain is not that anyone believes he didn't know the difference, but that many people are worried that he may be old enough to be losing his faculties. If people see this as evidence of diminishing capacity, it could be a problem for him.
Exactly. And Fox commentator Brit Hume did McCain no favors by calling it a "senior moment." I was, frankly, embarrassed by the sight of Joe Lieberman whispering in McCain's ear to correct him. My reaction was much the same as MouseThief's -- it's Reagan all over again. Not Reagan the "great communicator" but Reagan in the early stages of memory loss.
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Living in Gin
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Hopefully McCain will have a few more such "senior moments" during the debates with Obama. The differences between the two candidates will be like, um, night and day.
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My sense from listening to McCain lately is that he simply has no ideas, and seems very dull compared to the way he came across a few years ago. It would seem to be more than just a normal degree of age-related cognitive decline, which we really shouldn't be able to particularly detect by casually watching McCain on telly. Rather, I suspect he's got some more significant cognitive loss in progress.
The whole thing scares me terribly because the extreme conservatism of the American electorate could well result in a McCain victory over whoever the Demo candidate turns out to be.
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Originally posted by New Yorker:
That's funny, Gort! You should develop it for a fictional story for publication. Perhaps called "My [True] Life: The Unauthorized Biography of Hillary Rodham Clinton?"
Fiction? It's true I tell you! (link is a bit gory in places)
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Living in Gin
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Originally posted by Lietuvos Sv. Kazimieras:
Rather, I suspect he's got some more significant cognitive loss in progress.
Must be a side effect of the microchip implant he received at RNC headquarters.
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posted by Ruth:
(We've already had this discussion on this thread, by the way -- go back to page three and start with moonlit door's wondering why we can't have all the primaries on the same day.)[/QB]
I don't know why I'm being chastised for bringing up a personal opinion again from a way older thread.
OK, I'm chastised but the question still remains and I won't apologize for it.
Do I need to revive the old thread for this?
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Alfred E. Neuman
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You might try quoting various bits of Organmeister's post that you would like to address. I'ts on this same thread and there's nothing wrong with continuing the discussion though it's 3 months old.
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Originally posted by Living in Gin:
Hopefully McCain will have a few more such "senior moments" during the debates with Obama. The differences between the two candidates will be like, um, night and day.
like Reagan's first debate with Mondale?? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Gort:
You might try quoting various bits of Organmeister's post that you would like to address. I'ts on this same thread and there's nothing wrong with continuing the discussion though it's 3 months old.
I'll just sit quiet as a wallflower. I see I have indeed hit minefields.
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Living in Gin
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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
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Originally posted by Living in Gin:
Hopefully McCain will have a few more such "senior moments" during the debates with Obama. The differences between the two candidates will be like, um, night and day.
like Reagan's first debate with Mondale??
Doubtful... McCain is no Reagan, and Obama is no Mondale. (Thank God on both counts.)
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Originally posted by Living in Gin:
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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
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Originally posted by Living in Gin:
Hopefully McCain will have a few more such "senior moments" during the debates with Obama. The differences between the two candidates will be like, um, night and day.
like Reagan's first debate with Mondale??
Doubtful... McCain is no Reagan, and Obama is no Mondale. (Thank God on both counts.)
Agreed on both counts and another Thanks be to God!
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Originally posted by Cruella:
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posted by Ruth:
(We've already had this discussion on this thread, by the way -- go back to page three and start with moonlit door's wondering why we can't have all the primaries on the same day.)
I don't know why I'm being chastised for bringing up a personal opinion again from a way older thread.
OK, I'm chastised but the question still remains and I won't apologize for it.
Do I need to revive the old thread for this?
I "chastised" you, if that's the word, because though I had already answered your question as well as provided a link to the appropriate point on this thread, you posed the exact same question, as if no one had responded the first time. There's no reason why the problems with the primary system can't be discussed again -- we're still suffering through them, after all -- but please do us all the courtesy of reading other people's posts -- the whole thread -- and not acting as if the discussion didn't start till you got here.
All sorts of things could go wrong with McCain, even before the election. I spent some time today idly wondering what would happen if he died or became incapacitated after securing the nomination but before the election.
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Alfred E. Neuman
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Originally posted by Cruella:
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Originally posted by Gort:
You might try quoting various bits of Organmeister's post that you would like to address. I'ts on this same thread and there's nothing wrong with continuing the discussion though it's 3 months old.
I'll just sit quiet as a wallflower. I see I have indeed hit minefields.
Look, Cruella: Just 'cause you're new here doesn't mean you don't have legitimate input to provide. Develop your thick skin and don't assume the crusty old salts here have anymore claim to the floor than you just because some are impatient. Fuck 'em all, I say.
[cross-posted with your nemisis ]
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Re McCain's confused moment:
Ok, my brain probably translated it as "he's saying the same crap the administration has spouted", and got mixed up as to which bit. Sorry.
As to Gingrich or Keyes:
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{Packs bags for NZ.}
If they did take the presidency, NZ would probably step up its tourism advertising here. SF is generally very liberal and against this administration; so during some of the worst times in the last 7 years, NZ has given us very targeted ads, along the lines of "you want to leave the country?"
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RE: John McCain's foreign policy. On Tuesday in an interview on Democracy Now link here Robert Dreyfus, an investigative reporter hsd this to say about McCain's basis for roeign policy.
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I think to this day, McCain thinks that the Vietnam War could have been won if we had just stayed another five or ten or fifteen years, and he seems exactly prepared to do that in Iraq, despite all evidence to the contrary that we can’t do anything in Iraq other than sit on a very ugly stalemate that, you know, continues to blow up and flare into violenc
If he wouldn't have left Vietnam he certainly wouldn't leave Iraq ever no matter how obvious that solution would seem to be.
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Orb
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All sorts of things could go wrong with McCain, even before the election. I spent some time today idly wondering what would happen if he died or became incapacitated after securing the nomination but before the election.
Well, let's start with the biggie. He's 71 now and he'll be 72 by the time he'd supposedly get into office.
The average life expectancy for a man in the U.S. is 75.15.
I seriously believe that this situation in itself should be unconstitutional.
If you have a restriction on WHERE Presidents must be born*, you should have a restriction on WHEN Presidents might die.
No one wants a President to die in office. No matter what the legendary Charlie Brooker hilariously says...
* I'm a US-UK dual national. Even if my family had moved there a day after I was born in the UK, I wouldn't be allowed to be President. How fair is that? [And, for the record, John McCain was born outside the USA too! [near bottom of article]
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Originally posted by Orb:
The average life expectancy for a man in the U.S. is 75.15.
I seriously believe that this situation in itself should be unconstitutional.
So should ignorance. The average life expectancy of a man of 71 is considerably longer than the term of office for the POTUS.
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Originally posted by Orb:
The average life expectancy for a man in the U.S. is 75.15.
If I'm not mistaken, that's based on 'from birth' data. Once you've managed to make it to 71, the actuarial tables give you quite a few more years.
You're young, so you go do the research. I'm old enough that I really don't want to know how much longer I might have to hang around.
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Originally posted by Orb:
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Originally posted by RuthW:
All sorts of things could go wrong with McCain, even before the election. I spent some time today idly wondering what would happen if he died or became incapacitated after securing the nomination but before the election.
Well, let's start with the biggie. He's 71 now and he'll be 72 by the time he'd supposedly get into office.
The average life expectancy for a man in the U.S. is 75.15.
This is like the mistake where people see the "average life expectancy" in the middle ages is somewhere in the 30's and think that nobody ever lived much longer. I seriously heard once somebody propound the fact that few women must have gone through menopause back then because they were all dying off at 35. Oy.
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I doubt whether US life expectancies are all that different to the UK. Here is an online site from which you can download life tables. The one for UK males shows that a 71 year old man has a life expectancy of over 12 years.
Lots of folks have difficulty with this idea, that the longer you live, the longer you are likely to live. Basically the answers work out that way because we are looking at the life expectancy only of those who have survived to that age. (Those who have died before would obviously bring the average life expectancy down.)
There may be similar sites for the US. Orb, hope this sort of info helps. You are not alone!
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McCain's life expectancy at this point is less important than the fact he's showing signs of encroaching senility. His possible 'checking out' while in office would be far preferable to a slow decline into bumbling ineptitude just when we need someone with a full deck and the ability to shuffle it.
Who wants to see a government crisis over how to officially replace a mentally disabled [but living] President six months into his administration when fuel prices are hitting $5/gal, the economy continues a precipitous decline, ice shelves in the Antarctic are breaking off and "stop loss" in Iraq is becoming so desperate that the military draft is again being seriously considered?
I admire John McCain for his service to the nation. Hell, I was drinking beers in a Da Nang bar when he was relaxing at the Hanoi Hilton [and Kerry was dodging bullets on the Mekong]. McCain's sacrifice was far greater than mine, but the man's time has come and gone eight years ago. He is being sacrificed by the Republican Party in an election year that they expect to go Democratic. What else can be the legacy of the Bush failure? The Republicans have decided to dump George's myriad problems on the Dems in hope that they will fail and leave the door open for another GOP puppet in '12.
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Barnabas62
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McCain's life expectancy at this point is less important than the fact he's showing signs of encroaching senility.
I suppose this might be true, but isolated acts of forgetfulness aren't that significant on their own. However, on the specific mistake by McCain which triggered this, I'm not sure that forgetfulness was the problem. His behaviour seems more consistent with some genuine and persistent ignorance. (I've no doubt he has been briefed, but you know what it is like with briefs - some stuff sticks, other stuff doesn't). I find that possibility a lot more scary. But, like you, I find much in McCain's history of service which is admirable. I think he was, and is, brave.
I do hope you're right, that the GOP has gone for him because they see this election as a failure for them. More important, I do hope the GOP are right!
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