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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
In 2007 she replaced the entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation, apparently because of a disagreement over the closing of a dairy. The new board that she appointed reversed the decision to close the dairy, which subsiquently was closed and put up for sale anyway.

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In 2007 she replaced the entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation, apparently because of a disagreement over the closing of a dairy. The new board that she appointed reversed the decision to close the dairy, which subsiquently was closed and put up for sale anyway.

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... after much outrage from the public over the pending closure.

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Originally posted by Socratic-enigma:
... so just who are you going to vote for again?

(me thinketh the lady doth gusheth a little tooo much )

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bite me.

Obama. but it might just hurt a little.

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Originally posted by Presleyterian:
Governor Palin's statement just weeks ago that she's not quite sure what the Vice President does doesn't ease my qualms.

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I disagree with much of her politics, but it doesn't make her dirty.

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[...] personally, I think she was crazy to say yes. Her little boy was born in May, for christ's sake!

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That's gonna be a brilliant and very worthwhile argument against her, and thus Mr McWhatshisname, methinks.

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By the same argument (and stronger), Biden should have dropped out of politics after the loss of his first wife in the car accident which killed their baby and injured both their sons. This happened a month before he was to take office and he considered leaving politics to raise his boys but, no, he was sworn in at the hospital bedside of his children (both fully recovered in time).

Sauce for the gander.

I like that her high school nickname (from competing in basketball, yes?) was "Sarah Baracuda"-- I haven't known much about her and I was disappointed when Bobby Jindal recused himself from consideration so I was genuinely surprised at the surge of excitement and delight that I felt when I heard the news of her selection; quite taken aback.

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Originally posted by Josephine:
But what about the life expectancy of someone who is age 72 and has had three or four melanomas?

He is being more reticent than one would expect about releasing medical information. Usually, of course, I think someone's medical records are none of anyone's business, any more than their tax records are. But you do give up a certain amount of privacy when you are running for president.

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It's not at all uncommon for a Senator (or a Congresscritter) to miss votes through being in a committee meeting or back in the home district opening a bridge (among many reasons)...

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There aren't that many bridges in Arizona!

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Originally posted by Presleyterian:
Of course, the more people dismiss the duly elected governor of a state as a "chick," the more likely I am to vote for her.

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[Boy, what a gentleman-like thing to say. I guess I stand in line as another C word since I share Palin's politics. At least I am in good company. I would really like to have a beer with her. She rocks.

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Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
There's always London Bridge

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Originally posted by Gort:
My Daddy told me profanity was the attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully. A very astute observation for an uneducated farm boy.

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Originally posted by duchess:
Boy, what a gentleman-like thing to say. I guess I stand in line as another C word since I share Palin's politics. At least I am in good company. I would really like to have a beer with her. She rocks.

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Originally posted by The Atheist:
Nah; you're welcome to think the same way she does, but you'd only qualify for "cunt" status if you were standing for public office and looking to force your beliefs onto others.

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I'm getting bored with the discussion, but this just pissed me off:

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Nah; you're welcome to think the same way she does, but you'd only qualify for "cunt" status if you were standing for public office and looking to force your beliefs onto others.

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oh and further, if Sarah is a "cunt" for her beliefs, I'd like to hear your labels for McCain and the rest. and they'd better be related to their own genitalia.

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Why can't Mr. Mom do it?

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Originally posted by comet:
are you talking her beliefs on abortion, same sex marriage, or similar? 'cause she has done nothing to force anyone to agree with her.

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see, this is where I think you all down south just dont have the fucking clue to save your own souls with. just because someone personally have a certain set of beliefs, that doesn't mean they're going to try and force feed those beliefs to you.

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Stagflation wrote: By that standard Cameron should resign to look after son.

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Stagflation wrote: Why should other committments on your time disqualify you from political office.

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are you talking her beliefs on abortion, same sex marriage, or similar? 'cause she has done nothing to force anyone to agree with her.

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Ah, so she's just taking on the job of Veep to be a spokesperson and not looking to have any input into policy?
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But you're very sure she won't be pushing those barrows at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Yeah, right.

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Palin is pro-life, true, but it has never come up here. some legislators try and pursue something every year and it always dies in committee. she certainly didn't attempt to add it to her agenda when elected. abortion just isn't a huge hot-button issue here.

she's opposed to same-sex marriage, (as is our state, as per a voter approved constitutional amendment) [...] but she did approve same-sex couple's state benefits, which again annoyed the shit out of the GOP.

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1. She's actually living there and has a better sense of how Alaskans think than most outsiders.
2. She's a journalist and has been following Palin's career for some time.
3. She's not a fan of the current Republicans, will be voting against Palin, and has no political axe to grind.

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Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
By the same argument (and stronger), Biden should have dropped out of politics after the loss of his first wife in the car accident which killed their baby and injured both their sons. This happened a month before he was to take office and he considered leaving politics to raise his boys but, no, he was sworn in at the hospital bedside of his children (both fully recovered in time).

Sauce for the gander.

I like that her high school nickname (from competing in basketball, yes?) was "Sarah Baracuda"--

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Is there any evidence she's tried to push for teaching creationism in schools, for instance?

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The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms. Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
The guy who's firing she's being investigated for isn't the only person she's apparently fired for personal reaons.

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Then there was former White House administrator David Watkins. He told the grand jury that Clinton told him, before the KPMG audit was completed, "Well, you know, we need to have our people in there." Watkins later wrote that both he and McLarty "knew that there would be hell to pay if ... we failed to take swift and decisive action in conformity with the first lady's wishes."

After Clinton's pressuring, Watkins fired the Travel Office workers in May 1993. Watkins wrote that when he told McLarty, the chief of staff "clearly was relieved."

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Where I apply the "sauce for the gander," is over the idea of a world leader who was so ruthless on the sporting field as to be called a baracuda, and so angry now, as to be called ferocious, or, particularly, someone whose idea of a relaxing hobby is to get a rifle and go shoot large peaceful mammals in the head. (Moose hunting.)

Bad temper, macho swaggering and gung-ho militantism are the reasons I would hesitate to vote for McCain and adding a version of himself in a dress to the ticket won't change my mind.

Sauce for the goose.

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John Kerry brought his campaign for president to a duck blind here in far eastern Ohio Thursday morning, and while he did manage to clip one goose, he was really aiming for undecided voters in this battleground state. Senior adviser Mike McCurry was quite direct this week in saying that the two-hour predawn hunting trip was another attempt to get voters to know Kerry, who has had some issues with his so-called likeability factor. Kerry also has been talking about his Catholic faith more, and on Sunday he will give a speech on values.

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(BTW, mt: one of the reasons I'm doing this is to remind myself what an insufferable boor I can be.

It seems there's no end to it. )

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I suspect that McCain's calculation is not that Palin will attract Democrats unsure about Obama (I think he knows he can do that himself) but that she will get the evangelical, huntin', shootin', fishin', brigades of middle America, who put Bush in the Whitehouse, to go to the polls. The big fear for the Republicans is that they will simply not bother to vote, Palin might change that.

There is something of Thatcher about Palin, a non-feminist who nonetheless likes bossing men around and for different reasons that could make her a big hit with both men and women. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many women who deplored Thatcher's policies, were secretly delighted that she gave male politicians and trade unionists a good kicking for ten years or so.

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Originally posted by comet:
I don't see anyone (at the moment, granted) calling McCain irresponsible for running for office as a "nearly-dead". (another local jargon - those who ride cruise ships are the "newly wed or nearly dead" - I'm not trying to be OTT ageist.)

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Alternatively, she could be an ignorant and arrogant hick conspiring to indoctrinate innocent schoolchildren with her 'faith'. You know: like some atheists.

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I'm hoping that was an attempted joke, because the fantasy that atheism is a faith system is a really lame attempt to smear atheism with the same faith requirement as theism.

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(BTW, mt: one of the reasons I'm doing this is to remind myself what an insufferable boor I can be.

It seems there's no end to it. )

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Have you considered getting a blog for that purpose?

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One of my co-workers is black and said when Obama secured the nomination back in June, all the black people on her bus home were talking about how worried they were that he would be assassinated.

So really, be fair -- people have considered these things.

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Go ahead: prove to me God doesn't exist.

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Show me the 'evidence' you rely on for your bold assertion,...

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... and your derogatory treatment of theists.

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If you don't want to derail this thread (it doesn't matter to me but some are kind of touchy about it), feel free to start a new one.

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Which atheist claims to be able to prove the non-existence of god/s?

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Secondly; like Einstein, I find the belief in gods to be quite infantile.

Third; there is enormous evidence for gods being human constructs, and unless you'd like to argue for all of the thousands of gods I'm guessing you don't believe in, you ought to be able to see it as well.

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Originally posted by Choirboy:
Back to our regularly scheduled program...

...or not. Looks like McCain's cancelling the first day of the big bash. Widely expected, and gives an easy way for the McCain crowd to uninvite Bush and Cheney without disturbing the majority of the party that still favors them.

They better not even think of extending it on the back end. It's hell enough here already.

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Originally posted by Presleyterian:
Of course, the more people dismiss the duly elected governor of a state as a "chick," the more likely I am to vote for her.

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... Where I apply the "sauce for the gander," is over the idea of a world leader who was so ruthless on the sporting field as to be called a baracuda, and so angry now, as to be called ferocious, or, particularly, someone whose idea of a relaxing hobby is to get a rifle and go shoot large peaceful mammals in the head. (Moose hunting.)...

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(They're in charge of torture and cronyism, aren't they?)

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I would like to know a little more about how her apparently very conservative variety of Christianity affects her work. I have no problems with her belief system, but I'd be interested in how she applies it to those who do not necessarily agree.
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Originally posted by duchess:
The ad hoc posting on this thread from you, the Atheist, is pretty uncivilized in regards to calling a woman politician "a cunt since you disagree with her politics since she forces them (?) on people", I guess by the mere fact she is governoress of AK.

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As to her own mother-in-law disagreeing with her and going on record in the media with that...newsflash...not the first time a mother-in-law has taken a media stab at her daughter-in-law in the history of mankind. It proves nothing but that perhaps the mother-in-law is not too found of the mother of her 5 grandbabies.

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It would take much more than that to convince me Mrs. Palin is a cunt - calling her that is helpful and productive for swaying peoples's opinion of her?

I think not.

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And atheism really is just another form of faith. (Has he been called to Hell for his obscene put-downs of women yet?)

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Senator McCain has found a running-mate who is not a neocon, which is a subtype of Washington intellectual, but a genuine conservative. The Reagan majorities in the elections of 1980 and 1984 were built on such conservative voters; many would still describe themselves as “Reagan Republicans”.

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