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...Track - beats me...

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Originally posted by Twilight:
I'm in favor of a woman's right to choose, increased gun-control, ending capital punishment, a national health program, and reduced profits for the big oil companies. Why would I vote for someone who's "culture" puts her on the opposite side of all this? Just to be nice?

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• Sarah never said she supported creationism as equal to evolution, she said she supported teaching it as another theory. this is already happening here. I sat in on one class (done voluntarily by the teacher, which is all she was talking about at the time, not mandatory creationism, you dwinks) he said, "here's all our evidence. here are the two talked about theories. what do you all think?" it was great. give the kids the evidence and let them talk it out.
  
  I've seen this done with other "cockeyed" theories. it's good sound teaching - teaching kids to think. why is that so fucking scary, folks?
  
  what's the problem?
• the whole firebomb over poor Bristol's pregnancy is making me furious. that poor kid. we have another really tough cultural issue here that you lot down south will never get. we just view young pregnancy different here. JAYS it's hard enough to deal with this without having the whole fucking national press talking about it. I could rip their throats out with my teeth. She will do fine if those bastards just quit trying to interpret this through their own puritan values. right now I would kill to be the ND in charge of those weenies I see on TV right now.
  
  on a more personal note - WTF about Bristol's pregnancy makes Sarah a bad parent? I was pregnant young and my mother is and was an excellent parent. historically Alaskan women were married and became parents young (as is common in most 3rd world countries) that ethic doesn't die out in one or two generations. it's not earth-shattering news for an Alaskan girl to start young. this is another example of the majorty american culture being overlaid over the tradtiional ways and then everyone acting shocked when we dont just immediately adjust.
  
  Bristol is just one of us, poor thing. unfortunately, the freakish media down there (and some of you folks) seem to think her pregnancy is any of their/your business.
  
  for shame.
• as for her religion - I had thought they were Catholic, thanks to whoever clarified. the AoG idea was surprising to say the least.
• regarding the library director - I'd find that a lot more disturbing if it had led to anything at all. there is no censorship in the library system here. I'd know, I work in the same system and the same people sign my paycheck as the Wasilla librarian's. believe me, I'm all about the first amendment, and even I've found books on our shelves that made my eyebrows jump right off the top of my head.
• where does Sarah say she's anti-birth control? does choosing to have 5 kids mean you're anti-birth control? what bullshit. I'm very much pro-choice. for myself, I'm also very much anti-abortion. I find the idea of abortions apalling and terrible. so for my body, I wont do it. I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for anyone to control any other woman's own body, though. (sorry hosts, it's an illustration, not meant to spark a debate)
  
  this is no different, IMO. Sarah chose to have a shitload of kids. that doesn't mean she's going to say we all have to. GADS you guys can be very weird.
• we always call her Sarah here. We call her predecessor Frank. (when I wasn't calling him the anti-christ) His predecessor is Tony. We tent to be anti-taking on airs around here. and I suspect I set the precedent on this thread. on the news I'm watching here in the Roadhouse right now, they're all calling her Palin. (but still allowing for the spread of gossip. disgusting.)

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...Track - beats me...

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It is apparently something to do with the sport. Evidently, it was track season, and some major local team was doing well when he was born.

Ross

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*sigh*

I came this[] close to being named Skwentna because it's where I was conceived. Track is probably just lucky he wasn't named Big Lake or Goose Bay or something.


eta: it's actually better than my initial fear. as Todd is a snowmachine racer, I was afraid he was naming his firstborn a snowmachine name. one step from being "Arctic Cat" or "Polaris". gah.

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Originally posted by comet:

Does everyone who grows their own tomatoes lack the funds to hit the grocery store and buy a can of tom sauce?

Moose is better for you. sustainably and humanely harvested, and a strong family tradition. I dont expect you to understand, but applying your values onto our traditions is just lame. I try not to laugh too hard at you folks, please respect our traditions as well.

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Originally posted by comet:
I came this[] close to being named Skwentna because it's where I was conceived. Track is probably just lucky he wasn't named Big Lake or Goose Bay or something.

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I could have been named Independence...

Please don't go, Comet. It takes a resident to really make the case.

Ross // who wouldn't say no to a nice moose cutlet

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Originally posted by Alogon:
For instance, I didn't know until yesterday that McCain had a high-stakes gambling habit. Sorry, that is simply not acceptable for a Commander in Chief.

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Originally posted by Twilight:
Growing tomatoes isn't really the same thing as shooting something in the head, for food that you don't really need, just because you enjoy the thrill of killing.

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(I'm a stupid glutton for punishment. plus I have to hang out here longer as youngest is watching pokemon. ugh.)

you say "shooting something in the head" like it's a bad thing, Twilight.

no seriously.

Do you eat meat? do you know how it dies? do you know how it lives? if you had to witness the death of your cheeseburger, would you chose it be gutted alive, bashed over the head, bled out by the neck, or, say, shot in the head?

and there really isn't much thrill in killing, IMO. the thrill of the hunt, yes. no doubt. it's exciting and challenging and damn dangerous. pulling a trigger is anticlimactic, frankly. and then it's all hard, very smell work.

hence my preference for fishing. now there's a kill that's thrilling! take a really pissed off 60 pound salmon, hook a string in it's mouth, and let the games begin!

(yes, I'm aware my barbarian quotient just went up in your eyes, Twilight. I'm okay with that.)

as for our culture not being much different than yours - if that is the case you must be one hell of a stand out in your community, because the puppy-hugging hotdog eaters don't get much airtime around here.

PS - her son is in the military, and just as likely to get his ass killed as any of those sensitive 17 year old girls. try another tactic.

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Where I apply the "sauce for the gander," is over the idea of a world leader who was so ruthless on the sporting field as to be called a baracuda, and so angry now, as to be called ferocious, or, particularly, someone whose idea of a relaxing hobby is to get a rifle and go shoot large peaceful mammals in the head. (Moose hunting.)

Bad temper, macho swaggering and gung-ho militantism are the reasons I would hesitate to vote for McCain and adding a version of himself in a dress to the ticket won't change my mind.

Sauce for the goose.

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Clearly, if that's how you see Palin and McCain, I completely understand your reaction. For myself, I hear Obama talk "change" but I see somehow owned by the exceedingly corrupt Chicago political machine ("vote early, vote often") and almost every time he moves off the vague "change" stump and begins to get specfic, they're not changes I want. I want smaller government and less government interference - the majority of Obama's changes will be in the wrong direction, as far as I can see...

As for shooting large peaceful animals in the head, do you know anything about herd management? Do you realize that even wildlife needs to be culled and that's what hunting is about? Wouldn't you prefer a moose get a clean shot to the head than it half-starve for 3 months and then, in a weakened condition, gets taken down by a pack of wolves? Were I the moose, I'd prefer to be human dinner at the hands of a good shot.

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I could have been named Independence...

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Originally posted by comet:
PS - her son is in the military, and just as likely to get his ass killed as any of those sensitive 17 year old girls.

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Originally posted by comet:

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Growing tomatoes isn't really the same thing as shooting something in the head, for food that you don't really need, just because you enjoy the thrill of killing.

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(I'm a stupid glutton for punishment. plus I have to hang out here longer as youngest is watching pokemon. ugh.)

you say "shooting something in the head" like it's a bad thing, Twilight.

no seriously.

Do you eat meat? do you know how it dies? do you know how it lives? if you had to witness the death of your cheeseburger, would you chose it be gutted alive, bashed over the head, bled out by the neck, or, say, shot in the head?

and there really isn't much thrill in killing, IMO. the thrill of the hunt, yes. no doubt. it's exciting and challenging and damn dangerous. pulling a trigger is anticlimactic, frankly. and then it's all hard, very smell work.

hence my preference for fishing. now there's a kill that's thrilling! take a really pissed off 60 pound salmon, hook a string in it's mouth, and let the games begin!

(yes, I'm aware my barbarian quotient just went up in your eyes, Twilight. I'm okay with that.)

as for our culture not being much different than yours - if that is the case you must be one hell of a stand out in your community, because the puppy-hugging hotdog eaters don't get much airtime around here.*

PS - her son is in the military, and just as likely to get his ass killed as any of those sensitive 17 year old girls. try another tactic.

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whoever made the comments about religion: again, I suspect there is a cultural difference of sorts, here. (sorry MT, but I do) her church affiliation has never been an issue here. unlike the rest of the US (or so it looks from here) what church you go to does not determine whether your brain can operate on it's own without a direct ethernet cord connection to the pastor. my house rep is catholic. it's not come up in his policy at all ...<snip>... and MT - you're right, I shouldn't generalize. neither should all those folks whoa re down there.

this is one hell of an education on how people will believe whatever pablum is fed to them by their nursemaid/media of preference.

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Her children are named after characters in TV soaps.

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Originally posted by comet:
Moose is better for you. sustainably and humanely harvested, and a strong family tradition. I dont expect you to understand, but applying your values onto our traditions is just lame. I try not to laugh too hard at you folks, please respect our traditions as well.

At least I know where my meat came from and I know it never suffered.

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her culture and mine are the same. I respect her, deeply, for her honesty and for bringing Alaskan values into her office of governor. but I'm not voting for her just cause she's a chick. who the fuck said that? I dont think the majority of American women are that stupid. (Dear god I hope not!)

I'm not voting for her at all. or for her running mate. I'm just sick of the HUGE bullshit factor and paranoia that's emerged since McCain's announcement. Seriously, I'm stunned.

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It's very like the accusation that the only reason a person wouldn't vote for Obama is racism...

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I at least expected more from the Ship!

I'm bowing out of this thread, because the more horseshit I shovel the more shows up. I can tell when people want something to hate, I just wish you lot would admit it. (not all of you, obviously.)

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Let me begin with a few words about my opponent. Don't tell him I said this, but he is an impressive fellow in many ways. He has inspired a great many Americans, some of whom had wrongly believed that a political campaign could hold no purpose or meaning for them. His success should make Americans, all Americans, proud. Of course, I would prefer his success not continue quite as long as he hopes. But it makes me proud to know the country I've loved and served all my life is still a work in progress, and always improving. Senator Obama talks about making history, and he's made quite a bit of it already. And the way was prepared by this venerable organization and others like it. A few years before the NAACP was founded, President Theodore Roosevelt's invitation of Booker T. Washington to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. America today is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the nomination of an African-American to be the presidential nominee of his party. Whatever the outcome in November, Senator Obama has achieved a great thing -- for himself and for his country -- and I thank him for it.

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I came this[] close to being named Skwentna because it's where I was conceived. Track is probably just lucky he wasn't named Big Lake or Goose Bay or something.

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...Alaskans don't like puppies?

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comet wrote: WTF about Bristol's pregnancy makes Sarah a bad parent? I was pregnant young and my mother is and was an excellent parent. historically Alaskan women were married and became parents young (as is common in most 3rd world countries) that ethic doesn't die out in one or two generations. it's not earth-shattering news for an Alaskan girl to start young. this is another example of the majorty american culture being overlaid over the tradtiional ways and then everyone acting shocked when we dont just immediately adjust.

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It's part of what impressed me about McCain's speech to the NAACP back in June; he started by praising Obama:

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I think McCain slings less mud (so far) than some candidates in elections past.

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I think McCain slings less mud (so far) than some candidates in elections past.

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Was he behind the Obama=Antichrist ad, or was that the RNC or somebody else? Because that was beyond mud.

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[*]Sarah never said she supported creationism as equal to evolution, she said she supported teaching it as another theory. this is already happening here. I sat in on one class (done voluntarily by the teacher, which is all she was talking about at the time, not mandatory creationism, you dwinks) he said, "here's all our evidence. here are the two talked about theories. what do you all think?" it was great. give the kids the evidence and let them talk it out.

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I've seen this done with other "cockeyed" theories. it's good sound teaching - teaching kids to think. why is that so fucking scary, folks?

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[*]the whole firebomb over poor Bristol's pregnancy is making me furious.

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on a more personal note - WTF about Bristol's pregnancy makes Sarah a bad parent?

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Originally posted by The Atheist:
I sincerely trust that all of the supporters of Sarah Palin are totally happy that should McCain croak, they will have a President with a son in law whose publicly stated life thoughts are:

"I'm a fuckin' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin' chillin' I guess.
Ya fuck with me I'll kick [your] ass."

Outfuckingstanding!

He'll certainly be right at home with McCain!

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

Shoulda found a condom, ya jerk.

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I think McCain slings less mud (so far) than some candidates in elections past.

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Was he behind the Obama=Antichrist ad, or was that the RNC or somebody else? Because that was beyond mud.

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Wow you had an ad that said that?!? Bilboard or telly? Our politicians stoop pretty low but I'm not too sure they've done that trick.

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oh? why do you say that?

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getting sick of all those conservatives in the Twin Cities????

I feel for you!

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and of course, it can give the appearance that Bush actually cares about the Hurricane on the Gulf Coast this time

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Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to the turn-out in the Presidential election? It has been just about 50% in the last two (I believe this is typical) but ISTM that both candidates have chosen running mates with a view to getting votes from the other, rather than reinforcing their core support.

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Protesters here in Minneapolis have been targeted by a series of highly intimidating, sweeping police raids across the city, involving teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets.

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I am getting a little tired of the fast growing Alaskan Mystic going on in this thread. I really don't think your "culture" is all that different from the rest of the country, but if it is then one of you would be a very poor choice to represent us.

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And by the way, why is it that she's the only candidate getting routinely called by first name only?

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There is a tendency in the press to call prominent men by their last names, and women by their first. It is sexist.

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Sarah never said she supported creationism as equal to evolution, she said she supported teaching it as another theory. this is already happening here. I sat in on one class (done voluntarily by the teacher, which is all she was talking about at the time, not mandatory creationism, you dwinks) he said, "here's all our evidence. here are the two talked about theories. what do you all think?" it was great. give the kids the evidence and let them talk it out.

I've seen this done with other "cockeyed" theories. it's good sound teaching - teaching kids to think. why is that so fucking scary, folks?

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You're kidding

Tell me you're kidding.

And while we're at it, why dont we teach the kids that men didn't land on the moon; that HIV does not cause AIDS; the people running the country are really aliens in disguise...

I dont have a problem with kids being taught the Creationist view -

In 'Myth' Class...

along with all the other made-up (ie fictional) stories.



And you wonder why some of us have a problem with religion!

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Will having a complete outsider as VP compromise his effectiveness if elected?

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"I'm a fuckin' redneck"

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But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin' chillin' I guess.

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It sounds like he's truly absorbed Henry David's admonition to 'Simplify. Simplify.' Would that we all did.

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No. The VP doesn't actually count for much, and McCain is not an outsider.

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No. The VP doesn't actually count for much, and McCain is not an outsider.

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It is actually far more likely that your average redneck is of the "I didn't come from no damn monkey, God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, and the only good nigger is a dead nigger" school of thought.

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With GW, most folks see Cheney as the real power behind the throne. Cheney is probably the most powerful VP we've ever had.

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The nerve: he's KILLING the EARTH and probably using TWO STROKE engines to do it.

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From the 4th IPCC report (WG II):
Agricultural production, including access to food, in many African countries and regions is projected to be severely compromised by climate variability and change. The area suitable for agriculture, the length of growing seasons and yield potential, particularly along the margins of semi-arid and arid areas, are expected to decrease. This would further adversely
affect food security and exacerbate malnutrition in the continent.
In some countries, yields from rain-fed agriculture could be reduced by up to 50% by 2020.

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Wasn't Cheney acting in some advisory capacity to 41 (who knew enough to stop at the outskirts of Baghdad)?

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