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RuthW

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Reflecting back on this week, I think the thing that will stay with me longest was the mocking of community organizers. McCain called on people to contribute to the good of society by joining the military, the ministry, etc, apparently without realizing that he could have included community organizers in that list of people working for causes greater than themselves.
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quote:
Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
comet,

If Gov. Palin became a figurehead, I assume that she ceased developing all that "executive experience" other than, perhaps, the power to make speeches and fire people who pissed her off.

pretty much, yes. it's not an all-or-nothing game, but essentially you're right.
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Do you honestly think that a sales tax which does not exempt food is less burdensome to those in the middle to bottom income lavels than is a property tax?

absolutely I do. we're talking 5,000 residents versus a potential 85,000 money-spenders. What are the 5,000 voters going to support? "Tax us and use the money to cope with all the visitors!" or, "Tax those visitors who make it so we have to have a huge police force, large schools, and tons of public works infrastructure"?

I think it makes complete sense. and at one level, its much more fair. can you imagine being a middle-to-low income Wasilla resident, and having to bear the tax burden to pay for infrastructure for 13+ times your population?

besides, it's a 5% tax and we have no state or borough sales tax. it's not exactly a huge hardship.

oh, and the Wasilla voters approved that, also.

The borough also exacts an 11 mil property tax, so any city prop tax is on top of that.

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Did she in fact push for a sports center over a sewage treatment plant?

I know nothing about a sewage treatment plant. Yes, they built a sports center on her watch.

an interesting side note - Kilkenny once claimed that because the city council members didn't like her asking questions, she was terrified because they were going to shut off her water service. interesting especially since the water utilities (at least at that time) were privately owned.

Her heart really is in the right place, she's just a little over the edge.
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Most mayors have to deal with the impact of the residents of suburbs and smaller surrounding minicipalities. The fact remains that she was not politically responsible for those outsiders.

her city bore the mega impact of those outsiders, and still does. she was responsible to her voters, who don't want to pay for the impacts of all these visitors. they wanted the sales tax.
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I do find it a bit suspicious, too, that Mr. Palin, who has no college degree, landed a job as a substitute teacher.

not legal anymore, since the advent of No Child Left Untested. but yes, totally common in our small communities. a little baffling for Wasilla, however. there should be plenty of retired teachers and whatnot hanging about.
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"Grain of salt"? So far, I will stick with "Ring of truth".

suit yourself. me, I'll stick to credible sources for my info so as not to look like a gossip-spreading ass.

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suit yourself. me, I'll stick to credible sources for my info so as not to look like a gossip-spreading ass.

shit, sorry Greta! I just realized the above sentence sounds really pointed and nasty, and it wasn't meant to be, it's just something I feel strongly about. I wasn't accusing you of anything!

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Comet, we don't need to know about your spreading ass. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
Reflecting back on this week, I think the thing that will stay with me longest was the mocking of community organizers.

Those of you who can, watch Jon Stewart's analysis (about nine minutes in). Fucking hilarious.

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comet,

Absolutely no offence taken (well for a split second maybe). Perhaps you were unconsciously trying to get your own Hell call. I'm afraid that I was a real dud down ther paired as I was with The Athiest.

You may well be right in re Ms. Killjoy since you have seen her in the flesh.

I do have a problem with a tax on food. It seems to me to be almost cruel when food is such a large and rapidly increasing expense for lower income working people. It seems almost like taking away some of their daily bread. That the voters approved the tax does not make me feel differently. Am I being a hankie-squeezer on this?

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Note to self: "Preview post and all that".

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quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
Reflecting back on this week, I think the thing that will stay with me longest was the mocking of community organizers.

Those of you who can, watch Jon Stewart's analysis (about nine minutes in). Fucking hilarious.
The website says it is available to American viewers only. I can't watch it.

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So help me understand this: it's okay for the Dems to belittle being the mayor of Wasilla but when the Governor of Alaska, the former mayor of Wasilla, compares that job to being a community organizer with responsibility (read: accountability - you won't keep the job if you don't deliver), it's spun as an attack on all community organizers everywhere?

[Roll Eyes]

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You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison. The issue isn't between Senator's Obama's experience as a community organizer and Governor Palin's experience as a mayor. It's between Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate representing 200,000 people in the third largest city in the United States vs. Palin's experience as the largely ceremonial mayor of a town of 6,000 run primarily by a City Manager.

Where Senator Obama's experience as a community organizer comes in in his decision after graduating as President of the Harvard Law Review -- have you any idea the significance of that position? -- to turn down $250,000 a year law firm offers and Supreme Court clerkships to advocate for steelworkers who had lost their jobs. Do I think Sarah Palin would have made that sacrifice? Do I think Sarah Palin would have made it through Harvard Law School? Hell, do I think Sarah Palin can offer a cogent analysis of a single Amendment in the Bill of Rights (except the Second, natch)? Not bloody likely.

That we're even debating the relative credentials of Senator Obama and Governor Palin is laughable. America's demonization of education and intellect will be its downfall. I fear our preference for political leaders who are "just like us" will earn us a Commander-in-Chief who matriculated at five universities in six years -- including such intellectual powerhouses as Matanuska-Susitna College and North Idaho College -- before managing to eke out a degree.

Sorry, but I don't want a leader "just like me." I don't consider "Hockey Mom" to be a relevant resume line for the second most important job in the nation. I strive for more than that. I want a leader smarter and more sophisticated and more erudite than I am. I want someone who understands that the complicated issues facing this country demand nuanced solutions.

I can't guarantee that Barack Obama or John McCain fit that bill, but I can assure you Sarah "What Is It That The Vee Pee Does?" Palin doesn't.

[ 06. September 2008, 05:45: Message edited by: Presleyterian ]

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If you can find a speech or quote from Joe Biden or any of the speakers at the Democratic convention who employed the same sneer and mocking tone used by Palin and Guiliani, you'd have a point. I freely admit I didn't watch every speech, but I honestly don't think you can.

Karl Rove on Tim Kaine, who was on Obama's shortlist:

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He's been a governor for three years; mayor of the 105th largest city in America; again, with all due respect to Richmond, VA, it's smaller than Chula Vista, CA, Aurora, CO, Mesa or Gilbert, AZ, North Las Vegas or Henderson, NV. It's not a big town. So if you were to pick Gov. Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said "you know what, I'm really not first and foremost concerned with 'is this person capable of being President of the United States?'."
Keep in mind, that is a verbatim transcript of his words, so the Republicans opened up that little can of worms first by going after a candidate who served as mayor of a bigger and more populous city and governor of a far more populous state. If his bona fides are not enough, then there's no way in hell Palin's are.

Finally, how long has the Republican party preached about how the government should get out of people's lives and that local communities should help themselves? When we finally have a candidate who's done just that, they mock and sneer. The real message, as Jon Stewart put it so eloquently (I figured the link above was US-only):

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Yeah, so to everyone out there, trying to make a difference to your communities, FUCK YOU, you stupid asses. You jerk-offs. You know what you are? You're a thousand points of bullshit, that's what you are.
I think not. They don't want government to pay for social services and now apparently don't want communities to take care of themselves. I guess if were born into a decent life, good for you! Otherwise, fuck off.

As someone on the Faith in Public Life blog pointed out: Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.

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If John McCain were serious about ending what he called "the constant partisan rancor that stops us from solving these problems," he wouldn't have named Sarah Palin his running mate and authorized his political operatives to draft her vitriolic acceptance speech. That a 72-year-old man who has survived multiple bouts with cancer would want to be President so badly that he'd position this lightweight a heartbeat away is a craven, rancorous political move of the first order.

The John McCain of 2000 is a man I would have been proud to support for President. To this unrecognizable figure who gave away the Vice-Presidency to buy the enthusiasm of the Flat Earth, Abstinence Only, No Nothing, Wingnut Branch of his own party, I feel like saying "Senator, I know John McCain. And you're no John McCain."

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quote:
Originally posted by Presleyterian:



Sorry, but I don't want a leader "just like me." I don't consider "Hockey Mom" to be a relevant resume line for the second most important job in the nation. I strive for more than that. I want a leader smarter and more sophisticated and more erudite than I am. I want someone who understands that the complicated issues facing this country demand nuanced solutions.


I sincerely wish you would copy that whole post (minus the first paragraph, of course) and send it to every Letters to the Editor spot you can find. Maybe it will make someone who still reads newspapers and magazines think.

If not, we always have Jon Stewart. Thanks to Erin's reminder I watched him and the Colbert Report last night and laughed til my head hurt. I loved the "man in the field" saying, "I want a leader just like me...or worse."

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What is a 'hockey mum' anyway ?

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
What is a 'hockey mum' anyway ?

I assume it's a cold northern variant on "soccer mom" which means a mom who shuttles her kids around in her minivan to soccer practice. Depending on who is using it it can be used pejoratively to suggest an overfocus on her children's activities and interests, and perhaps not having (sufficient) interests of her own. I think (someone will correct me) that was the original intent and it was adopted by soccer moms as a label of pride.

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RuthW

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quote:
Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
So help me understand this: it's okay for the Dems to belittle being the mayor of Wasilla but when the Governor of Alaska, the former mayor of Wasilla, compares that job to being a community organizer with responsibility (read: accountability - you won't keep the job if you don't deliver), it's spun as an attack on all community organizers everywhere?

[Roll Eyes]

Look up the word "belittle" in the dictionary, then the word "criticize" -- you'll see that they are not the same thing.
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[Eek!] Palin caught in a lie?

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Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who has joined the Republican national ticket as a tax-cutter, was a driving force in raising a tax on oil companies last year that will help swell the state's budget surplus.
But raising taxes on oil companies seems to be the going thing so maybe it will actually help her.
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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink:
What is a 'hockey mum' anyway ?

I assume it's a cold northern variant on "soccer mom" which means a mom who shuttles her kids around in her minivan to soccer practice. ...
More on hockey moms: hockey practices are usually at ungodly hours (e.g. 4 am) and since ice time is at a premium, sometimes there can be a bit of a commute as well. It's cold in the arena and mom can only drink so much hot chocolate / coffee / tea. Hockey also requires vast amounts of expensive equipment (easily $1K per kid, and they're growing), and ice time costs money as well. Hockey equipment bags have a pretty strong aroma. [Projectile] Hockey is also a brutal contact sport and catastrophic injuries do happen.

In Canada, some hockey parents take their kids' play very seriously ... sometimes to the point of arrest and conviction.

So it might be just a bit more intense than being a soccer mom. OliviaG

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You know, I understand it when the music director at a small church doesn't realize that you have to get permission and pay royalties to use music. But it certainly surprises me that the RNC convention organizers didn't realize that, especially given the Republican's well-known respect for the rights of property owners to control their own property.
Story here.

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quote:
Originally posted by mjg:
But raising taxes on oil companies seems to be the going thing so maybe it will actually help her.

I predict that people who just last week were saying that raising taxes on oil companies is an evil work of the devil will come out saying that it is an idea whose time has come and Ms Palin is a visionary.

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So it might be just a bit more intense than being a soccer mom. OliviaG

And I was just yesterday decrying the fact that all the ice rinks around here have been converted to strip malls. May have to rethink that opinion.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
I predict that people who just last week were saying that raising taxes on oil companies is an evil work of the devil will come out saying that it is an idea whose time has come and Ms Palin is a visionary.

No, I'm still opposed.
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Okay, some people who were saying it was evil.

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quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
You know, I understand it when the music director at a small church doesn't realize that you have to get permission and pay royalties to use music. But it certainly surprises me that the RNC convention organizers didn't realize that, especially given the Republican's well-known respect for the rights of property owners to control their own property.
Story here.

While this is no excuse, I'm not surprised at all. I work for textbook publishers - certainly people who understand copyright. However, they are also a big enough group that the left hand and the right hand don't communicate so well. Apparently we have made this same mistake a few times recently. "I thought you got permissions for that!"

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quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
You know, I understand it when the music director at a small church doesn't realize that you have to get permission and pay royalties to use music. But it certainly surprises me that the RNC convention organizers didn't realize that, especially given the Republican's well-known respect for the rights of property owners to control their own property.
Story here.

What a unique take on that article: nowhere are royalties mentioned and I'd wager if they hadn't been paid you'd have heard about it.

I'd be interested to hear from a copyright lawyer but my guess is the repubs are well within their rights to use that song any way they please and that it would be a courtesy, not a requirement, for them not to.

But apparently ANY stick is good enough to beat your political opponents.

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Yes, tell us all about that, mjg.

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Yes, tell us all about that, mjg.

No, you tell me. Show me where I've materially misrepresented something unless it was clearly tongue in cheek.

Spin? Sure, all day long cause it's fun to provoke, but there's a distinction.

Based on the article, Josephine was either disingenuous or unable to comprehend it.

The Hell thread remains open, BTW. Have at it.

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I'll let Josephine defend herself; I might as well try to defend a Bandersnatch. I just think your "distinctions" are a little self-serving. Nuff said.

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I'll let Josephine defend herself; I might as well try to defend a Bandersnatch. I just think your "distinctions" are a little self-serving. Nuff said.

Well, duh.
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quote:
Originally posted by mjg:
I'd be interested to hear from a copyright lawyer but my guess is the repubs are well within their rights to use that song any way they please and that it would be a courtesy, not a requirement, for them not to.


A radio station program director could choose to play Barracuda without permission as long as they've paid the appropriate ASCAP fees.

But an ad agency couldn't use the song as a theme for a new advertising campaign without specific permission.

It seems pretty clear to me that the RNC's use of the song is far more like the latter than the former. But IANAL, so I'll defer to Laura or any of the other legal beagles who decides to check in.

As for using the image of Walter Reed Middle School as a backdrop, it would have been a courtesy, but not a requirement, for them to have gotten permission in advance.

Perhaps Gwai's charitable interpretation is the correct one. If so, I'd expect both the Wilson sisters and the middle school to receive prompt and public apologies.

[ 06. September 2008, 16:59: Message edited by: Josephine ]

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Well, duh.

There's me sorted, then.

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It's interesting how much 'ownership' you can perceive with a thread like this; at one point I stopped posting entirely on this forum for six weeks because I could barely stand to see it on the front page day after day.

Then I more or less came to grips with it and recognized the 'positive' aspects must have (presumably, or it wouldn't have survived this long) some value.

Part of that, I hope, is something remotely approximating 'objectivity (I would [Hot and Hormonal] ) and occasionally it gets under my skin when I see someone who is certainly capable of better succumbing to the temptation to be a political hack.

Whatever. It's been a great thread and I appreciate everyone's contributions even if I sometimes want to choke the living shit out of them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Josephine:
You know, I understand it when the music director at a small church doesn't realize that you have to get permission and pay royalties to use music. But it certainly surprises me that the RNC convention organizers didn't realize that, especially given the Republican's well-known respect for the rights of property owners to control their own property.
Story here.

I can well understand why the Republicans didn't seek permission. Not only is this not their own property but it is intellectual property, something they might not fully understand. After all, the average teenager copying CDs doesn't, why should a major political party?

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From Newsweek: Jacob Weisberg

"The reason Obama isn't ahead right now is that he trails badly among one group, older white voters., He lags with them for a simple reason: the color of his skin."

Just recently, Congressman Lynn Westmoreland described Barack Obama and his wife as "uppity." The "best" seller written by Jerome Corsi mentions Obama's mother looking for mates who are "men of color."

"If Obama loses, our children will grow up thinking of equal opportunity as a myth. His defeat would say that when handed a perfect opportunity to put the worst part of our history behind us, we chose not to....Choosing McCain in particular would herald the construction of a bridge to the 20th century--and not necessarily the last part of it either."

Best election ever.

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Originally posted by mjg:
It's been a great thread

It's not over yet! Still two months to go. And then you'll miss us. [Biased]

Slate's little article on the use of "Barracuda" and possible copyright issues is pretty good, I think.

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Originally posted by The Atheist:
From Newsweek: Jacob Weisberg

"The reason Obama isn't ahead right now is that he trails badly among one group, older white voters., He lags with them for a simple reason: the color of his skin."

Just recently, Congressman Lynn Westmoreland described Barack Obama and his wife as "uppity." The "best" seller written by Jerome Corsi mentions Obama's mother looking for mates who are "men of color."

"If Obama loses, our children will grow up thinking of equal opportunity as a myth. His defeat would say that when handed a perfect opportunity to put the worst part of our history behind us, we chose not to....Choosing McCain in particular would herald the construction of a bridge to the 20th century--and not necessarily the last part of it either."

Best election ever.

If it is so, then all the better that our kids don't grow up to be complacently ignorant. If racism is truly as awful in this country as you say, then all the better that our kids grow up with a full understanding of the seriousness and perniciousness of the problem.

Though I don't think it's as bad as that. The media will always exaggerate anything controversial. Upsetting people sells magazines. Whether that's a good or a bad thing probably depends on your politics.

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Originally posted by RuthW:Slate's little article on the use of "Barracuda" and possible copyright issues is pretty good, I think.
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The issue also frequently crops up with Christian groups that do not wish their material to be used at events they find objectionable.
[Killing me]

You could not make this up.

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I love the assumption that there's no way that these (poor dumb) older white voters could be for McCain over Obama for some better reason than race. Perhaps an older person values experience more, or maybe it's relevant that older people are traditionally conservative. No, no must be race. Couldn't possibly be a good reason to disagree with "our side".

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Bullfrog.

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quote:
Originally posted by mjg:
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Originally posted by RuthW:Slate's little article on the use of "Barracuda" and possible copyright issues is pretty good, I think.
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The issue also frequently crops up with Christian groups that do not wish their material to be used at events they find objectionable.
[Killing me]

You could not make this up.

Though at the same time...
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A spokesperson for the Republican Convention said the event did have an ASCAP license separate from the one for sports.
It looks like they were fully within their rights as long as the song isn't aired on any TV commercials.

Of course, they will look very silly if they make a big deal of associating her with the song "Barracuda" and then find they can't use that connection through any other media outlet.

Personally, I find most songs of that era vaguely annoying, probably because I used to spend hours working menial jobs within the vicinity of a top-100 "best of the 80's, 90's and today!" pop radio station. Maybe they're trying to target those people who are old enough to think Heart was really cool or something?

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I know from my experience with big companies and copyright that generally it takes so bloody long to get a yes or no to a request for permissions that the company I work for* often uses pieces in our textbooks before we get an answer on permissions. Then, if we get no, we take the picture/story/poem/etc. out of the next printing. We don't even rush the next printing though, so said piece might continue to be sold for half a year.


*Multi-national, well worth suing on a monetary scale

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quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Maybe they're trying to target those people who are old enough to think Heart was really cool or something?

I think it was just the word. That and, after a certain age, anything that comes along gets thrown into a mental bin labelled "new" -- even if it was 30 years ago -- and they were trying to be hip. They just need somebody younger to help them be hip. Somebody younger than me, too, in case you think I'm suggesting I could do it. For me virtually any music that came after 1987 seems "new".

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quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Maybe they're trying to target those people who are old enough to think Heart was really cool or something?

I doubt they're pandering to sophisticated musicologists given I didn't hear 'Masters Of War' ANYTIME during the convention.

But I did hear it recently, from the original source, and


that's enough for now. Maybe some other day it'll ring louder.

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Originally posted by OliviaG:
... Hockey also requires vast amounts of expensive equipment (easily $1K per kid, and they're growing), and ice time costs money as well. ...

Only if the kid's a goalie. I'm not a parent nor a hockey player, but $500-600 will get you a lot of pads, good skates (about $200-300), and high-grade skates. And very few kids get everything new. The beginning and end of season equipment swap is a tribal ritual.

(Owner of one stick, and twelve-year-old skates)

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Maybe they're trying to target those people who are old enough to think Heart was really cool or something?

I think it was just the word. That and, after a certain age, anything that comes along gets thrown into a mental bin labelled "new" -- even if it was 30 years ago -- and they were trying to be hip. They just need somebody younger to help them be hip. Somebody younger than me, too, in case you think I'm suggesting I could do it. For me virtually any music that came after 1987 seems "new".
Apparently, Barracuda was a hit in 1977.

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Okay, 31 years ago. Sorry.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Atheist:
From Newsweek: Jacob Weisberg

"The reason Obama isn't ahead right now is that he trails badly among one group, older white voters., He lags with them for a simple reason: the color of his skin."

<snip>

"If Obama loses, our children will grow up thinking of equal opportunity as a myth. His defeat would say that when handed a perfect opportunity to put the worst part of our history behind us, we chose not to....Choosing McCain in particular would herald the construction of a bridge to the 20th century--and not necessarily the last part of it either."

Best election ever.

I think he overstates his case. Sure, some of the voters may be harboring racist views, some that they aren't even aware of but, as Gwai says, there are many other reasons they might not choose him.

Maybe older white Americans don't like him because he's so young. Elderly McCain, with his war-hero credentials, seems like a familiar vision of "leader" to them, with qualities they were taught to honor. Eisenhower was president when they were young. Colin Powell might have done very well with this demographic.

If Obama loses, our children may see another African-American run, and win, four years from now.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
Okay, 31 years ago. Sorry.

No worries. I think I get your point. Just felt an irresistible urge to be a pedant.

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What no one has mentioned here about the whole Heart "Barracuda" controversy, although it was in the article that Josephine linked to, is this:

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The song 'Barracuda' was written in the late '70s as a scathing rant against the soulless, corporate nature of the music business, particularly for women. (The 'barracuda' represented the business.) While Heart did not and would not authorize the use of their song at the RNC, there's irony in Republican strategists' choice to make use of it there."

I just find it hilarious that they would chose that song simply because of one word, without any regard for it's actual context and meaning.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
... that song ...

Lyrics
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If the real thing dont do the trick
You better make up something quick



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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
What no one has mentioned here about the whole Heart "Barracuda" controversy, although it was in the article that Josephine linked to, is this:
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The song 'Barracuda' was written in the late '70s as a scathing rant against the soulless, corporate nature of the music business, particularly for women. (The 'barracuda' represented the business.) While Heart did not and would not authorize the use of their song at the RNC, there's irony in Republican strategists' choice to make use of it there."
I just find it hilarious that they would chose that song simply because of one word, without any regard for it's actual context and meaning.
I suspect "they" didn't strategize the use of the song but simply went with it because Sarah herself has the association from high school because, in the context of basketball, being a barracuda is a good thing.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

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Originally posted by Erin:
If you can find a speech or quote from Joe Biden or any of the speakers at the Democratic convention who employed the same sneer and mocking tone used by Palin and Guiliani, you'd have a point. I freely admit I didn't watch every speech, but I honestly don't think you can.

Being a TV-free zone, I didn't watch any of the speeches but I've heard most of them. I think Biden's tone was rancorous but Palin, not having been selected yet, escaped his attention. I've heard far more criticism out of Obama's mouth than McCain's but perhaps that's simply because he gets a lot more media time.
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Finally, how long has the Republican party preached about how the government should get out of people's lives and that local communities should help themselves? When we finally have a candidate who's done just that, they mock and sneer.
Excuse me, since when did "communities helping themselves" equal hiring people to be professional community organizers? And, in Obama's case, according to his own supervisor, didn't accomplish any of the targeted goals but "people liked him"? To me this is part of the classic divide: people get involved, dive in, volunteer - and the liberal side of things sees that as direction to go find someone willing to pay you to do full-time what lots of people do after work and on weekends out of the goodness of their hearts and a vision for an improved community.
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As someone on the Faith in Public Life blog pointed out: Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor.
Anybody who thinks Jesus was "a community organizer" doesn't know Jesus, at least not the one I find scripture... [Paranoid] (although, if Obama thinks that, it would explain a lot of his megalomania)
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Originally posted by Lynn MagdalenCollege:
So help me understand this: it's okay for the Dems to belittle being the mayor of Wasilla but when the Governor of Alaska, the former mayor of Wasilla, compares that job to being a community organizer with responsibility (read: accountability - you won't keep the job if you don't deliver), it's spun as an attack on all community organizers everywhere?

[Roll Eyes]

Look up the word "belittle" in the dictionary, then the word "criticize" -- you'll see that they are not the same thing.
I'm quite aware of that, Ruth - and the majority of what I've heard has been "belittling" - clearly YMMV.

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