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Funny, it is exactly that set of reasons that Obama drives me bat-shit crazy every time he accuses McCain of believing that "rich" means "makes 5 million dollars a year," or that McCain wants to continue the war in Iraq for a hundred years. I will vote for Obama, but I would do so much more happily if he would just stop lying in the interest of looking "tough."
Here I am trying to be conciliatory and you start acting all uppity on me. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
These elections are a sad state of affairs, though... I wonder if it was ever any other way.
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Oh no. They are very forthright (quite in your manner) about many other political topics but seem to lose their footing when it comes to civil rights. They end up torn. Either they go back to their libertarian principles regarding "states rights" which has the difficulty of putting them in the same court as old George Wallace...
What? I'm sorry, but that's just a bizarre statement.
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... Indeed, it is a complex matter in the "putting into practice" stages of the legislation and in a democratic society, reforms can be made to fix problems in the implementation but not really in agreeing to the principles unless one faces that real contradiction of fearing "government intrusion" even when it was shockingly needed as in the 1960's.
No, the real problem is the Law of Unintended Consequences -- and we've certainly seen those in everything from the black civil rights movement (as noted, 40 years on, privileged middle-class black children still get preference over non-privileged white or Asian children) to the Americans with Disabilities Act (does someone with an emotional disability have the right to bring a noisy "companion animal" to a chamber concert?), to name just two.
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...Figures.
I said I found the professor unreadable in two tries, and you blew me off with a one-liner. Figures.
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Originally posted by Rossweisse:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Oh no. They are very forthright (quite in your manner) about many other political topics but seem to lose their footing when it comes to civil rights. They end up torn. Either they go back to their libertarian principles regarding "states rights" which has the difficulty of putting them in the same court as old George Wallace...
What? I'm sorry, but that's just a bizarre statement.
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Not really. I have heard the old states rights argument made by libertarians when they get onto the rant about "big government" It is not as bizarre as you might think. It is a tension in the ideology.
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I've started a seprate thread to discuss libertarianism, for those of us wanting to expand the tangent.
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Rossweisse
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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
Not really. I have heard the old states rights argument made by libertarians when they get onto the rant about "big government" It is not as bizarre as you might think. It is a tension in the ideology.
It's nothing I have ever encountered from any professed libertarian.
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These elections are a sad state of affairs, though... I wonder if it was ever any other way.
Not really. The things said about Jefferson or Lincoln by their political opponents was far worse than anything any candidate would dare say today.
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Soooooooooooo, have the Republicans won, is it over?
Is it possible for the Dems to pull this back now?
Cause, it certainly looks like a BIIIIG tide and the Dems seem to have no real response that works.
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I'm still tipping Obama as slight favourite over McCain. I can see more opportunity for the McCain campaign to self-destruct than for the Obama campaign. As to who I would vote for... initially I was slightly favouring Obama, but the two VP choices have me leaning towards McCain.
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When is the VP candidate debate? This is the first time in my life that I will watch it. I think it is overloaded with potential. Afterwards, I'm sure this thread will work itself into overtime.
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It's hard to imagine two less similar - or, lets face it, less competent - VP picks. Debate should be a cracker.
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It's hard to imagine two less similar - or, lets face it, less competent - VP picks. Debate should be a cracker.
You have an odd notion of competence if you find Joe Biden to be lacking it.
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Why? He's never run anything in his life. He's spent however many decades as senator for the mighty state of Delaware. He finished 76th of 85 at a second tier law school, and has barely had a job outside politics. Oh, and he sounds like a pompous windbag with ridiculous opinions whenever he speaks. I would hardly trust the guy to profitably run a local department store (or similar sized business) much less be POTUS.
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Why? He's never run anything in his life. He's spent however many decades as senator for the mighty state of Delaware. He finished 76th of 85 at a second tier law school, and has barely had a job outside politics. Oh, and he sounds like a pompous windbag with ridiculous opinions whenever he speaks. I would hardly trust the guy to profitably run a local department store (or similar sized business) much less be POTUS.
Thanks for your careful analysis of his record of public service.
On another note, the NY Times has published a detailed look at Gov. Palin's approach to governance. She sure looks like she's from the GW school of personal politics...
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Soooooooooooo, have the Republicans won, is it over?
Is it possible for the Dems to pull this back now?
Cause, it certainly looks like a BIIIIG tide and the Dems seem to have no real response that works.
The Dems have an October surprise. I'm praying like hell that they don't have to whip it out, but if it comes to that, it comes to that.
You can get away with lying for a time. But the truth always outs. Always.
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The Dems have an October surprise. I'm praying like hell that they don't have to whip it out, but if it comes to that, it comes to that.
You can get away with lying for a time. But the truth always outs. Always.
I guess we have different understandings of what the term "October surprise" means. I have always thought it was a big, lying smear that was sprung close enough to election time that it couldn't be properly debunked by voting time.
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The latest Siena Poll shows the race in NY - of all places - tightening. If the election were held today, Obama would still win the electoral college, but it would be much closer than expected. Then, there is the so-called "Bradley Effect" where whites who say they will vote for black candidates to pollsters end up voting for the white candidate. Enough whites will not vote for a black candidate that, in a close election, may put McCain over the top.
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The one thing that Obama has in his favor is the Democratic get-out-the-vote organization. That, and bloc voting by blacks and unions (often overlapping these days) may be what will get him over the top. The Bushies had a fantastic GOTV operation - Bush was superb at retail politics, but that is now mostly gone - the Republican Party's GOTV organization this year is reputably pretty bad, and the social conservatives will not be able to completely make up for it, Sarah Palin notwithstanding.
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The one thing that Obama has in his favor is the Democratic get-out-the-vote organization.
It's his own operation, I think, not the Democratic party's. It's the main thing giving me hope right now -- the effects of his amazingly strong field organization are probably flying under the radar.
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Originally posted by tclune:
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Originally posted by saysay:
The Dems have an October surprise. I'm praying like hell that they don't have to whip it out, but if it comes to that, it comes to that.
You can get away with lying for a time. But the truth always outs. Always.
I guess we have different understandings of what the term "October surprise" means. I have always thought it was a big, lying smear that was sprung close enough to election time that it couldn't be properly debunked by voting time.
--Tom Clune
And that's what it has meant in the past.
Things change. There's a lot that's currently under the radar.
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Then, there is the so-called "Bradley Effect" where whites who say they will vote for black candidates to pollsters end up voting for the white candidate. Enough whites will not vote for a black candidate that, in a close election, may put McCain over the top.
The "Bradley Effect" has largely been debunked. I know there are still a whole bunch of straight-up racists out there, but at this point, I'm pretty sure that people think that other people are more racist than they actually are, so the polls about friends and family not voting for a black candidate are telling pollsters the wrong thing.
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Why? He's never run anything in his life. He's spent however many decades as senator for the mighty state of Delaware. He finished 76th of 85 at a second tier law school, and has barely had a job outside politics. Oh, and he sounds like a pompous windbag with ridiculous opinions whenever he speaks. ...
Don't forget what knocked him out of contention as a presidential candidate in an earlier campaign: He's an admitted plagiarist.
Faugh!
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We're questioning Biden's competency now? Seriously?
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Originally posted by Zwingli:
He's spent however many decades as senator for the mighty state of Delaware.
Don't knock the knowledge that standing up for the little and relatively powerless gives you.
And he understands foreign policy. We can't afford another four years without someone who understands foreign policy anywhere near the white house.
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He finished 76th of 85 at a second tier law school, and has barely had a job outside politics.
Yes, he was focused on things other than his ambitions and career at that point. But unlike the current occupant of the White House, he actually grew up and got his shit together.
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Oh, and he sounds like a pompous windbag with ridiculous opinions whenever he speaks.
You know, I think that's what I actually like most about him, when you get right down to it. If most politicians think in paragraphs and reduce it to one-liner soundbites, Biden thinks in pages and tries to reduce it to a paragraph.
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I would hardly trust the guy to profitably run a local department store (or similar sized business) much less be POTUS.
Your bad, then. tclune is right. He was unquestionably the most qualified presidential candidate in terms of knowledge and experience. That he happens to come across like a complete shit sometimes meant that most Americans wouldn't have voted for him as a president, but he's a solid choice for the VP slot.
Assuming people can be made to care about who is actually capable of performing the actual work of governing, that is.
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If the election were to be decided on the basis of educational credentials, Obama/McCain would win by a landslide.
While not excusing Sen. Biden's plagarism during his law school days some 40 years ago, I do not consider that to be a major negative today. During my school years, I witnessed countless instances of cheating in one form or another all the way through law school (and of course during my law school teaching days), and I will confess to aiding friends in their dishonesty on a fair number of occasions.
As for Sen. Biden's alleged plagarism in one of his speechs (despite proper attribution in several other speeches where the borrowed material was used), I think that most people are willing to accept his explanation, just as people have been willing to accept Sen. McCain's explanation of the details of his Viet Nam captivity and his conduct during that time, notwithsanding the quite different scenario painted by some people.
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Sorry, Greta, but plagiarism of any kind is a hot button for me. Stealing the words and ideas of another is the lowest form of theft.
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Sorry, Greta, but plagiarism of any kind is a hot button for me. Stealing the words and ideas of another is the lowest form of theft.
I can understand that but this is 40 years ago. I think it's a useful exercise to think of all the obvious things that could potentially be used against you if you were to run for office then, with a tally of them, ask yourself if you've never said/done/believed anything in your past that could in some way put you in a negative light. It's pretty difficult to find people with clean records-there's always stuff there if you dig deep enough.
For me, someone plagiarising 40 years ago in their Undergrad law degree isn't going, on its own, to convince me they're in any way the sort of person I wouldn't want in office.
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I can understand that but this is 40 years ago....
Try 20. It was in 1988 that Biden was proven to have stolen a speech by Neil Kinnock of Britain's Labour Party.
That, atop his undergrad thefts, makes him a hard case, in my opinion.
There's also the horrible way he treated Robert Bork, but I admit that's a side issue to being a thief. I find such theft purely contemptible.
(Yes, I have been plagiarized...)
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Gah! Obviously, the speech thing is a factor as well, had forgotten about that sorry.
On that front, it's stupid, but I don't think it's that bad essentially. Many politicians hold the same viewpoints and if you want to make that point succinctly, go for someone who has done in the past-nothing wrong with that, though it's a bit cheap to try and pass it off as your own, it's still not in the league of things I'd say "I wouldn't want this guy running the country on this basis."
It does however beg the question "What in God's name was he doing when he went to Kinnock for inspiration!?"
Zorro.
(just to be clear I posted this before I'd seen Ross's post)
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On that front, it's stupid, but I don't think it's that bad essentially. ...
Ah, well, I do! If he'll steal someone else's words, what won't he do?
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It does however beg the question "What in God's name was he doing when he went to Kinnock for inspiration!?"
I rest my case.
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Ah, well, I do! If he'll steal someone else's words, what won't he do?
That seems to me to be a very slippery-slope way of looking at it. Ultimately, if he gets into the administration he'll be presented with reports from advisors suggesting what he should do-if he takes that on board and just copies the report in a speech do you think he'd credit it to the junior guy who'd produced it? Doubt it, and not just him but everyone before him.
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Sorry, Zorro -- we all have our "None shall pass" items, and this is one of mine.
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No worries Ross,
Anyone know when the first debates are on and where UK obsessives can watch?
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On that front, it's stupid, but I don't think it's that bad essentially. ...
Ah, well, I do! If he'll steal someone else's words, what won't he do?
There is a HUGE dishonesty in how this has been turned into a political attack. The truth is that Biden used that speech -- and credited the man who originally presented it -- for weeks before one time when he failed to credit it. Turning this into plagarism is just plain lying. It was an odd way to present your story -- by retelling a British(?) politician's story and then saying, "Me, too." But you don't credit it for weeks and then "steal" anything. Ross, you ought to know that, and you should be ashamed for allowing yourself to be a tool of political smears. The truth is odd and vaguely disquieting in its own right, but it is certainly NOT an example of plagarism.
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VP debate: October 2, 8 p.m. Central Time, Washington University in St. Louis. I can't seem to find anything about the entertainment media broadcasting it, but I'm sure they will be.
Tom Clune: I'm sorry. Biden is a thief. You really can't excuse it -- and you shouldn't try.
Ross
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Originally posted by Rossweisse:
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I can understand that but this is 40 years ago....
Try 20. It was in 1988 that Biden was proven to have stolen a speech by Neil Kinnock of Britain's Labour Party.
That, atop his undergrad thefts, makes him a hard case, in my opinion.
There's also the horrible way he treated Robert Bork, but I admit that's a side issue to being a thief. I find such theft purely contemptible.
(Yes, I have been plagiarized...)
Ross
I thought you Anglicans were all about "context" of the circumstances? But no grace or forgiveness? Not even trying to understand the circumstances??
I have a lot of time for someone who leaves DC every night and doesn't have his multi-million dollar home "in town"
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I thought you Anglicans were all about "context" of the circumstances? But no grace or forgiveness? Not even trying to understand the circumstances?? ...
Once might be understandable. Twice is a pattern.
I can forgive, but that doesn't mean I will forget -- or trust -- a man for whom ambition outweighs honesty. Please stop snarking, SS.
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Tom Clune: I'm sorry. Biden is a thief. You really can't excuse it -- and you shouldn't try.
And I'm sure the near-death experience he had immediately following this incident in no way caused him to reflect on the rightness and wrongness of his actions.
I trust him to do the right thing for this country - even if that's the hard thing to do - more than any other politician operating right now.
And since you weren't going to vote for Obama no matter who he picked as a VP, I don't see your personal hatred of Biden as having a huge effect on the outcome of the election.
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"Personal hatred of Biden"? Where do you get that?
I don't hate any of these people. That doesn't mean I want to vote for them.
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VP debate: October 2, 8 p.m. Central Time, Washington University in St. Louis. ...
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Excuse me, sorry to bother you. Hey, everybody, the leaders of the parties in the Canadian federal election will also be debating on October 2. Gosh, if you folks popped over for just a few minutes during the VP debate, that would be so sweet. You know, we'll have five leaders debating for the chance to be Prime Minister. Did you know we don't have a president? Sorry, you're probably not interested in our little election, which will be over in four weeks anyway. Excuse me! Sorry! OliviaG
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Sorry, Olivia -- I was an answering a specific question about a specific debate in a specific election. I never meant to slight the Land of Dan Aykroyd!
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Tom Clune: I'm sorry. Biden is a thief. You really can't excuse it -- and you shouldn't try.
This doesn't answer Tom's very fair point. Does this page give a fair summary of the events around Biden's Kinnock speech?
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According to a September 13, 1987, Washington Post article, "Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks."
I appreciate you feel strongly about plagiarism as an academic Ross, but if this article is accurate it seems Biden had absolutely no intention to deceive. The whole thing sounds like a political smear campaign - if someone is trying to pass off a story as their own they don't repeatedly attribute it to the original author.
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If he'll steal someone else's words, what won't he do?
Indeed! A man who fails to cite references one time might do anything.
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It does however beg the question "What in God's name was he doing when he went to Kinnock for inspiration!?"
I like the chap already! Anyone who is inspired by Kinnock is all right by me.
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Rossweisse wrote: Sorry, Zorro -- we all have our "None shall pass" items, and this is one of mine.
Rossweisse is right, of course. We all have our "None shall pass" items. Hers is a candidate's quotation of another politician without appropriate attribution twenty years ago. Mine is a candidate's continued support for a deceitful war that's already sacrificed the lives of 4,155 Americans and countless others.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
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With minor alterations, Mr. Zwingli has posted a perfect description of Sen. McCain:
"He's never run anything in his life. He's spent however many decades as senator for the mighty state of [Arizona]. He finished [889]th of [894] at a second tier [military academy], and has barely had a job outside politics. Oh, and he sounds like a pompous windbag with ridiculous opinions whenever he speaks. I would hardly trust the guy to profitably run a local department store (or similar sized business) much less be POTUS."
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Originally posted by Presleyterian:
... We all have our "None shall pass" items. Hers is a candidate's quotation of another politician without appropriate attribution twenty years ago. Mine is a candidate's continued support for a deceitful war that's already sacrificed the lives of 4,155 Americans and countless others...
That's another one of mine, as it happens -- and, of course, a far larger one.
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Originally posted by Rossweisse:
VP debate: October 2, 8 p.m. Central Time, Washington University in St. Louis. ...
<Samantha Bee impersonation>
Excuse me, sorry to bother you. Hey, everybody, the leaders of the parties in the Canadian federal election will also be debating on October 2. Gosh, if you folks popped over for just a few minutes during the VP debate, that would be so sweet. You know, we'll have five leaders debating for the chance to be Prime Minister. Did you know we don't have a president? Sorry, you're probably not interested in our little election, which will be over in four weeks anyway. Excuse me! Sorry! OliviaG
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Any particular reason you're taking potshots at us?
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Any particular reason you're taking potshots at us?
POTUS envy.
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First big laugh of the day. Thanks, mousethief!
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He's spent however many decades as senator for the mighty state of Delaware.
The genius of the founding fathers lies in the creation of the bicameral Congress. Each state has the same number of senators (2). The senator from Delaware has just as much voice and vote as a senator from California or Wyoming. The size of the state he represents is irrelevant. What matters the most in the Senate is experience (tenure), which translates to committee chair positions, and the ability to get along and negotiate with other senators.
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. . . The size of the state he represents is irrelevant. . .
C'mon now. We all know that size does matter.
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