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comet
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Originally posted by FreeJack:
If the Governor of Alaska is elected as Vice President does she automatically (or in practice) step down as Governor, and when? Is there a Vice Governor who succeeds until the next November?
I suspect she would step down sometime between November and the beginning of the year, when the state legislative session starts.
we have a leutenant (dont remember how to spell it, feeling too poorly to care) gov who would step into the governor role. which is scary in it's own way, believe me. Now, he almost beat our 1/2 a congressman in the republican primary - if he had, and was then elected to congress, I'm not sure who would be next in line. perhaps the president of the state senate, which would be interesting. the senate pres is one of the ones who hates Sarah.
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If Senator Ted goes to prison or retirement home after being elected again, does the Governor (new or old) appoint his replacement in the Senate until November 2010?
first, I have to get this out of my system...
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God bless us, everyone! it's like christmas, easter, and an orgasm all in one!
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sorry about that.
the answer is no - a special election would be held. I said somewhere (it's all running together) when Sarah's predecessor to the Gov job, Frank Murkowski, was elected, he got to appoint his predecessor to the US Senate, and he appointed his daughter. (nope, not kidding)
A year later the voters changed the law so that the governor does not appoint the replacements for Congress, and instead a special election is held. so if (when?!? ) Uncle Ted goes down, his seat will be vacant.
assuming Mark Begich doesn't kick his ass next week, of course.
and just for further inbred alaskana - Mark Begich is the mayor or Anchorage and the son of Nick Begich, who was the congressman for our state and died in a plane crash. after his death, he STILL defeated Don Young for the seat. Don was appointed to the seat and we've been stuck with him ever since.
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I get the feeling from comet's previous comments that the said Governor and Senator don't particularly get along, even though they are both Republicans. But do they suffer each other's fate of bad publicity?
if anything, the conviction will only help Sarah locally, since they were on the outs. the whole state GOP is certainly self-destructing, IMO.
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Choirboy
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Originally posted by RuthW:
For everyone still worrying that too many white voters will turn racist in the voting booth and not vote for Obama:
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In the latest New York Times/CBS News and Pew national polls, Obama is now pulling even with McCain among white men, a feat accomplished by no Democratic presidential candidate in three decades, Bill Clinton included. (Frank Rich in the NY Times)
A quite damning snapshot against the so-called Bradley effect was given at fivethirtyeight.com. Nate Silver is da bomb!
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Amazing Grace
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Nate's been doing some good work (and getting some good airtime) about the Bradley Effect and other things. And he almost cracked Stephen Colbert up. That takes talent.
People involved in the Bradley-Deukmejian election have come out to talk - one factor, often not mentioned, was a pretty serious gun-control initiative that made for high R turnout.
I don't think it was a factor in New Hampshire this year. As Silver notes, in New Hampshire there are a lot of independents and the primary is (semi-?)open, so people could have thought they'd rather vote in the Republican race.
I also think that the press coverage of Hillary Clinton post-Iowa was a big factor. I mean, they had her down for the count and were circling in for the kill. (It was nasty. It was the first time I had sympathy for Hillary in a while.) I think a lot of independent-minded New Hampshire voters (some of whom were likely on the fence, many of whom were women) saw this and thought "I don't THINK so". The (semi-?)open primary makes this possible too. So HRC's win wasn't New Hampshire being anti-black, but rather anti-nastiness and anti-sexism (yeah I went there) and thumbing their Yankee noses at the national press.
Charlotte
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I'd agree about New Hampshire.
Also, no one has ever explained to me why this supposedly racist tendency doesn't show up equally in both the poll and the vote, thus eliminating any differential. That is, there is no reason for someone to say in a poll that they are voting for Obama if they actually won't because of his race; they could just say they are voting for McCain because of any one of his talking points. I think folks buy that someone troubled by race won't pull the lever for Obama, but they skip over the rationale of why they might lie to a pollster - where would that compulsion come from?
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I think the idea is that people tell pollsters what they think are socially acceptable views and not what they really feel. In the UK the Labour Party pretty much thought they had the 1992 election sown up because people told pollsters that they were willing to pay more tax for schoolsanhospitals, whereas in the quiet of the election booth they reverted to being sneaky Tory bastards.
So if people feel that the socially acceptable thing to do is vote Obama whilst not actually wanting to vote for him, either because he is black or for another reason, they will fib to the pollsters.
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Originally posted by Gildas:
I think the idea is that people tell pollsters what they think are socially acceptable views and not what they really feel.
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So if people feel that the socially acceptable thing to do is vote Obama whilst not actually wanting to vote for him, either because he is black or for another reason, they will fib to the pollsters.
The problem with that notion is that McCain is a very respectable person to vote for. There's no shame in acknowledging that you support a long-time Senator who was a war hero and is widely respected on both sides of the political aisle. So there just isn't any basis for denying that you prefer him to Obama AFAICS (Of course, I also thought that it would make no sense for Powell to endorse Obama, so consider the source...)
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Foolhearty
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However (and I am from New Hampshire, where I hear many people address this topic), there is a tendency to lie to pollsters generally "because it's nobody's damn business who I vote for."
I've heard any number of people say they lie to pollsters out of sheer annoyance at being asked "Who are you voting for?" Apparently these people imagine that wildly incorrect polling numbers will somehow result in fewer polls being done.
If only.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I love Aretha's version but I think Aaron Neville's is the best.
Got that too but its about 18 minutes long!
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Choirboy
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Originally posted by Foolhearty:
However (and I am from New Hampshire, where I hear many people address this topic), there is a tendency to lie to pollsters generally "because it's nobody's damn business who I vote for."
If so, then this would always be the case in any polls. We wouldn't expect a differential effect based on race. The polls would always be off by this factor, and we'd get from past elections what that difference looked like from year to year.
But the polls in the last week or two of elections are historically quite accurate.
It sort of sounds like the so-called 'Bradley Effect' is an explanation looking for a problem, rather than the other way around.
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Originally posted by Gildas:
I think the idea is that people tell pollsters what they think are socially acceptable views and not what they really feel. In the UK the Labour Party pretty much thought they had the 1992 election sown up because people told pollsters that they were willing to pay more tax for schoolsanhospitals, whereas in the quiet of the election booth they reverted to being sneaky Tory bastards.
I think folks need to dig deeper, as there is a danger of the ecological fallacy - do the demographics of those voting match those being polled?
I could see a complacency effect in the context of overwhelming polling, or in this election I think there is a likely voter suppression effect. But I don't see any evidence for a Bradley effect.
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Sarah Lysenko Palin who can see Russia from her house made a speech calling for better testing for autism and mental disabilities but mocking basic science.
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Where does a lot of that earmark money end up anyway? […] You’ve heard about some of these pet projects they really don’t make a whole lot of sense and sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good. Things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not.
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Choirboy
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Simply the living embodiment of the Peter Principle. And that's being generous.
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Originally posted by ken:
Sarah Lysenko Palin who can see Russia from her house made a speech calling for better testing for autism and mental disabilities but mocking basic science.
Ken that is a very spiteful attack. I think it is wonderful that someone with a clear learning disability is a vice-presidential nominee.
P.S. It is so funny listening to her talk, because you can tell where the scripted bits are, and when she is winging it.
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Originally posted by Choirboy:
Simply the living embodiment of the Peter Principle. And that's being generous.
Back when I was a mere slip of a girl in the early days of second-wave feminism, I heard it said many times that it would be a mark of progress for feminism when a female schmoe could get just as far just as fast as a male schmoe. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, my fellow Americans and readers across the globe, I present to you ... Sarah Palin. We've come a long way, baby.
(I am actually quite pleased that La Palin calls herself a feminist, because I 1) want feminism to be a big tent and 2) think that women who are clearly enjoying the benefits that the feminist movement has provided should at least acknowledge it ![[Biased]](wink.gif) . But that may be another discussion.)
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Originally posted by New Yorker:
Why is it that when Democrats steal elections, Republicans don't riot? Just not in our system I guess. What if Obama wins - with or without stealing the election. There could be riots then, too, right? Like fans celebrating a football victory. Funny, too, how liberals continue to insist that Bush has decreased our civil rights. Look at poor Joe the Plubmer. He makes the mistake of asking the Messiah a question and the whole Obama campaign smear machine descends on him, destroying him in many ways. Just remember that if (God forbid) Obama is president, you must always agree with everything he says or you'll be destroyed, too. Instead of speaking truth to power, you'll all be in perfect agreement with power - or else!
With all due respect, in what fevered place in the imagination was the above comment germinated?
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I'm afraid you still have further to go yet as she has not yet surpassed Dan Quayle. God willing, that struggle will not be fulfilled this year.
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
Back when I was a mere slip of a girl in the early days of second-wave feminism, I heard it said many times that it would be a mark of progress for feminism when a female schmoe could get just as far just as fast as a male schmoe.
Of course, that simply highlights the intellectual bankruptcy of second-wave feminism. The only legitimate basis for feminism (or any other striving for equal opportunity) is that merit ought to trump privilege ISTM. If you abandon that guideline, then it is just one set of privileged people jockeying for more undeserved advantage.
I think that is a fair assssment of the bourgie excess that feminism became, but it is simply unworthy of serious consideration -- it's just upper and upper-middle class daughters whining for a bigger share of the family's ill-gotten wealth.
The insidious basis of Gov. Palin's rise is clear enough -- "coldest state; hottest governer." If that is what you wish to advance as the basis for female success in our society, you have indeed acheived it. But stop complaining when some dishy bimbo falls from privilege when she gets her first wrinkle. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind...
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Alogon
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Originally posted by Foolhearty:
However (and I am from New Hampshire, where I hear many people address this topic), there is a tendency to lie to pollsters generally "because it's nobody's damn business who I vote for."
New Hampshire, I love ya. But if that's the way someone believes, why doesn't he have the courage to say so rather than lie?
I think that this is a good attitude in theory. The campaign is covered too much as though it were a sports event. In fact, one of the most highly regarded poll analysts, cited a little earlier, made his reputation as a sports prognosticator. However, given all the currently looming threats to a fair voting process and count, anyone who has made up his mind would be well advised to stand on the (literal or figurative) court house steps and proclaim his choice to the world. Results of a secret ballot without supplementary data to vindicate it can no longer be trusted.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by tclune:
The only legitimate basis for feminism (or any other striving for equal opportunity) is that merit ought to trump privilege ISTM.
What about simply, sex/gender oughtn't to be taken into consideration when it doesn't matter.
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It was Bella Abzug who said: "Our struggle today is not to have a female Einstein get appointed as an assistant professor. It is for a woman schlemiel to get as quickly promoted as a male schlemiel."
(A schlemiel (Yiddish) is a constant bungler.
And that line was just quoted in an Op Ed in the NY Times by Judith Warner.
Aside to Amazing Grace: a schmo is an obnoxious or stupid person. We just don't appreciate the differences between these wonderful Yiddish words anymore. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) How they roll off the tongue! Putz (fool), schmuck (an oaf), nebbish (weak or timid), nudnik (boring person or a pest), kvetch (a nag); kibitzer (meddler); schlimazl (failure); schnorrer (a moocher).
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Laura, I'm sure your mother would be shocked to hear you say putz and schmuck.
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Alogon
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Thanks for those definitions, Laura. Is a schlemiel really as innocent as that? I've always thought that a schlemiel is not a mere bungler, but a passive-aggressive character whose bungling has a rather malicious motive. See Games People Play by Eric Berne.
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Originally posted by Alogon:
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Originally posted by Foolhearty:
However (and I am from New Hampshire, where I hear many people address this topic), there is a tendency to lie to pollsters generally "because it's nobody's damn business who I vote for."
New Hampshire, I love ya. But if that's the way someone believes, why doesn't he have the courage to say so rather than lie?
Because this is, well, New Hampshire. We are a small, utterly insignificant, nearly identity-less state* with a severe case of bipolar disorder which regularly erupts into passive-aggressive, loving-hateful egomania every four years during primary season.
Many yahoos around here, with necks of ruddy hue, actually believe they can Have Some Effect on national politics by lying to pollsters.
Another favorite sport is switching parties to vote in The Opposition's primary, then switching back to vote for Our Guy in the actual election.
*Seriously -- Vermont has maple syrup and all those dairy cows; Maine has lobsters and that coast and a quaint accent; Massachusetts has all that Revolutionary War history and Ivy League colleges, and what does New Hampshire have? It merely sits there. separating the other three, and insisting, for no very good reason, on holding the first Presidential Primary every 4 years.
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Originally posted by Alogon:
I think that this is a good attitude in theory. The campaign is covered too much as though it were a sports event. In fact, one of the most highly regarded poll analysts, cited a little earlier, made his reputation as a sports prognosticator. However, given all the currently looming threats to a fair voting process and count, anyone who has made up his mind would be well advised to stand on the (literal or figurative) court house steps and proclaim his choice to the world. Results of a secret ballot without supplementary data to vindicate it can no longer be trusted.
No argument.
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Originally posted by Amos:
Laura, I'm sure your mother would be shocked to hear you say putz and schmuck.
["putz" is also Yiddish slang for penis]
My auntie certainly would be. Then she'd tell me to shut my dirty mouth and eat the nice brisket already.
Schmuck -- it's meaner than schlemiel or nebbish, but is it as bad as putz?
Alogon: I've always heard schlemiel used as a mid to gentle criticism, but it could certainly be an understatement. But it doesn't have a malevolence behind it that I know of. The last time I heard it used was to describe a hopeless lab worker who kept breaking things and blowing things up.
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Thank you, Laura, for helping me make just a little more sense of the Laverne and Shirley intro!
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Originally posted by Scot:
Thank you, Laura, for helping me make just a little more sense of the Laverne and Shirley intro!
You're welcome. I can't help on the Hasenpfeffer thing, though.
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Relevant to the earlier discussion of the future of the Republican party, given a Democratic win:
Palin's future causes Republican rift
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Originally posted by Laura:
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Originally posted by Scot:
Thank you, Laura, for helping me make just a little more sense of the Laverne and Shirley intro!
You're welcome. I can't help on the Hasenpfeffer thing, though.
German dish. "Hasen" means "rabbit" and "Pfeffer" means "pepper".
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The main issue would be whether she is electable and whether, once elected, she is as suggestible and malleable as Bush seems to have been. I'm convinced that the real power brokers need the leaders in the religious right to keep the sheeple distracted with pseudo-issues while they're being fleeced. This coalition has had great success in concentrating wealth and turning America into a banana republic for thirty years, why stop now? By 2012, I predict that allowing voters to give a park bench or a steam grate as their home address on a voter registration form will be have more bipartisan support. Some of those who've had to start living from hand to mouth and still vote Republican are that masochistic.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Laura:
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Originally posted by Scot:
Thank you, Laura, for helping me make just a little more sense of the Laverne and Shirley intro!
You're welcome. I can't help on the Hasenpfeffer thing, though.
German dish. "Hasen" means "rabbit" and "Pfeffer" means "pepper".
I know what Hasenpfeffer is, silly Mouse. I just don't know what the point of it in the context of the song is!
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Amazing Grace
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Originally posted by Laura:
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Originally posted by Amos:
Laura, I'm sure your mother would be shocked to hear you say putz and schmuck.
["putz" is also Yiddish slang for penis]
My auntie certainly would be. Then she'd tell me to shut my dirty mouth and eat the nice brisket already.
Schmuck -- it's meaner than schlemiel or nebbish, but is it as bad as putz?
Well, according to Isaac Bashevis Singer, it means "Mr. Penis". Can't tell you the gradations.
(I was a late-night tv addict my last year in college. I remember Singer (may his memory be a blessing) schooling Dick Cavett on it. With a twinkle in his eye. )
Anyway, Laura, thank you mightily for bringing the late, great Bella Azbug (may her memory be a blessing) and the more-correct Yiddish word to the discussion and correcting my fuzzy memories.
Charlotte
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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
Relevant to the earlier discussion of the future of the Republican party, given a Democratic win:
Palin's future causes Republican rift
there you have it. Alaska's governor destroys the Republican Party.
Don't say we never gave ya nuttin'.
(it's a joke, New Yorker. take a deep breath.)
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Amazing Grace
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![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
About frackin' time you guys got in on the action.
Charlotte
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Originally posted by Laura:
I know what Hasenpfeffer is, silly Mouse. I just don't know what the point of it in the context of the song is!
Okay, okay.
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My name is Anna and I am an Obamamaniac.
Group: Hello, Anna.
I wanted to watch the infomercial tonight but had to go to a church class instead.
Sorry, I CHOSE to go to a church class instead. I made a choice. I have to remember that.
I went into the bookstore a couple weeks ago and bought a book of Obama family paper dolls. I was going to dress them up and play with them while watching the infomercial. Michelle's wedding dress is to die for, and the kids are so cute in their outfits for our Chicago winters. But the best is Barack in his swim trunks. I was really really really looking forward to playing with him.
Did I mention he was wearing swim trunks?
Anyway, I missed the infomercial, which sucks because I heard it was all about national unity and overcoming our divisions. It's so funny that Barack keeps talking about unity, because I hate Republicans too sometimes! Well, in fact quite a lot. They're all going straight to hell as far as I'm concerned, but I have to be nice to them because that's how Barack would be.
I think.
Did anyone watch the infomercial?
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I didn't. The @#$ networks didn't put it on at 5 pm here (west coast, rassmfrassm tape delays) when I was driving back from having VOTED and I was trying to have a nap (long story) but I keep getting phone calls that I don't want to answer. Because I voted.
If you have broadband it's all over the intarwebs. Try HuffPo.
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I know what Hasenpfeffer is, silly Mouse. I just don't know what the point of it in the context of the song is!
I had to!! I had to!! I wasted twenty minutes or so on this so I hope you all appreciate it!! ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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As a young girl, Penny Marshall hoofed it to school in the Bronx. Along the way, nonsensical phrases floated through her head.
"One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight," she'd chant out loud. "Schlemiel, schlimazel, Hasenpfeffer Incorporated."
"When you walked, you made up things," Marshall said. "It made the time go fast."
Thus one of TV's catchiest, craziest songs was born, the theme to "Laverne & Shirley."
There. I hope everyone's happy.
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Did anyone watch the infomercial?
Oh, yes. It just finished here (8 pm PST). It was, as expected, warm, hope-filled, inspirational--but also clear, specific, and detailed. Exactly what one has come to expect of Barack. Beautiful pictures and words about his mom, who I think was an amazng woman. Final words were about choosing hope over fear, which seems to sum up the two very different campaigns perfectly.
Now where can I get those paper dolls???
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I think that the "infomercial" was brilliant. It never mentioned Sen. McCain or Gov. Palin. The words "Republican" and "Democrat" were not uttered. Problems were given a human face, and solutions were clearly presented (including sub-titles for emphasis), together with an overall coherent and inspiring vision for the future.
Most importantly, without directly mentioned the major personal attacks that Sen. Obama has endured, these negatives were effectively refuted.
I settled down to watch the presentation at 5:00 Pacific time, and when it didn't come on, I was afraid for a minute or two that the Obama campaign's check had bounced.
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Relevant to the earlier discussion of the future of the Republican party, given a Democratic win:
Palin's future causes Republican rift
and here Bears out what I said before - for one group in t he party Palin is the real candidate. She expects McCain to die and if he wins she expects to be President. Hes just the stalking horse.
So on one side of that spat Peggy Noonan, Colin Powell and even Christopher Hitchens
And on the other a few old friends of Ronald Reagan e no-one has heard of much for years
If its a battle in the Republican Party its a battle between the Stupid Wing and the Clever Wing. (Ms Noonan is clever) Or maybe rather between those who want a clever President and those who want a stupid president because they think they are easier to control.
Meanwhile, back at the loony bin, I hope not to many people are so stupid as to believe that this piece of lying nonsense is typical of what Christians think about politics
Maybe all true Christian "Spiritual Warriors" should pray that the idiots who write this shit should lose all their money in the credit crunch so they can no longer afford to put out this publicity that makes Christians look like racist morons.
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Ken, today has been a particularly trying day for me. And for you to post that link was just cruel and uncaring for the welfare of your brothers.
"credentialed".
I need to go lay down for a while to recover.
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I find it amusing that Palin might run for president in 2012. The year is reputed to be tough enough already!
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
Final words were about choosing hope over fear, which seems to sum up the two very different campaigns perfectly.
Yes. It reminded me of a remarkable passage from Obama's book "Dreams from my Father", in which he comments on a sermon by Rev Wright on the theme "The audacity of hope".
In recent weeks, it has saddened me to see John McCain, who is a decent and honourable man, lower himself, descend to personal attack as a pretty grubby means of sowing seeds of doubt, or fostering prejudice because Obama is different. After reading his book, I think Obama is different. I think he does have a larger, more hopeful, vision of what might be possible. It will not be easy to hold onto that if he wins, but I think he will try very hard to avoid being captured. I hope he wins and I wish him very well.
Apparently, the infomercial was followed immediately by McCain attack-ads. Now who thought that was a good idea?
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After reading his book, I think Obama is different.
I'd be inclined to agree if he hadn't utterly folded on the campaign finance issue, and jettisoned Wright when the serious heat came.
As it is, I wish him well and hope he can do what he seems to think he can, but words aside when push comes to shove he's demonstrated his bottom line is power rather than integrity. And it could well be those compromises are inherent in the system but it still sucks.
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there you have it. Alaska's governor destroys the Republican Party.
Don't say we never gave ya nuttin'.
This is going to be the BEST Christmas EVER!
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I find it amusing that Palin might run for president in 2012. The year is reputed to be tough enough already!
Oooh! The Mayan end of time! When the travellers return! As spake the prophet Votan!
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As Dr. Jose Arguelles writes in "Time and The Technosphere" -
"August 13, 3113 BC is as precise and accurate as one can get for a beginning of history: the first Egyptian dynasty is dated to ca 3100 BC; the first 'city,' Uruk, in Mesopotamia, also ca 3100 BC; the Hindu Kali Yuga, 3102 BC; and most interestingly, the division of time into 24 hours of 60 minutes each and each minute into 60 seconds [and the division of the circle into 360 degrees], also around 3100 BC, in Sumeria. If the beginning of history was so accurately placed, then must not the end of history, December 21, 2012 also be as accurate?"
But you were just saying how a few of these dates could not be accurately placed! Now you're basing the date of the end of bloody history on your calculations???
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Originally posted by Laura:
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Originally posted by comet:
there you have it. Alaska's governor destroys the Republican Party.
Don't say we never gave ya nuttin'.
This is going to be the BEST Christmas EVER!
I promise to be very, very good for the rest of the year.
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I find it amusing that Palin might run for president in 2012. The year is reputed to be tough enough already!
Damn! The end of the world is going to happen right before Christmas break? Couldn't they hold off until January at least?
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
After reading his book, I think Obama is different.
I'd be inclined to agree if he hadn't utterly folded on the campaign finance issue, and jettisoned Wright when the serious heat came.
As it is, I wish him well and hope he can do what he seems to think he can, but words aside when push comes to shove he's demonstrated his bottom line is power rather than integrity. And it could well be those compromises are inherent in the system but it still sucks.
I'm beginning to wonder why the campaign finance thing is an issue in this case. I get why it would be if the money was mostly coming from special interest groups. But, isn't most of Obama's money coming from individuals?
If the purpose behind the campaign finance law was to ensure special interests don't hijack the election, then its still succeeding.
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Originally posted by mjg:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
After reading his book, I think Obama is different.
I'd be inclined to agree if he hadn't utterly folded on the campaign finance issue, and jettisoned Wright when the serious heat came.
As it is, I wish him well and hope he can do what he seems to think he can, but words aside when push comes to shove he's demonstrated his bottom line is power rather than integrity. And it could well be those compromises are inherent in the system but it still sucks.
Your standard is at a height that you'd never be satisfied with a candidate, it seems to me.
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