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dj_ordinaire
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dj_ordinaire what is the BDP you mention?
I'm not dj_o but I imagine he's referring to Benedictine Daily Prayer.
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That is indeed correct!
I'm afraid that I tend to modify what's given in the book somewhat. I always use Pss 18 (19) as an Invitary for Lauds for no reason other than that I like it, for example. Yesterday, I used Psalm 89 ('my one companion is darkness' - quite chilling) in place of 63.
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For more information on the pope's visit to Paris and Lourdes the French Catholic channel KTO provided wall to wall coverage
www.ktotv.com will still give you recordings on-line of all the events
On saturday on the Esplanade des Invalides the pope wore white vestments
On sunday in the meadow opposite the river Gave and the grotto of Massabielle the pope wore red vestments for the Triumph of the Cross
On Monday for our Lady of sorrows he wore again white/gold vestments
But generally speaking all these things are laid down by the liturgical books.Benedict XVI is keen to emphasize (and this was an important feature of the visit) that it is not 'his' liturgy that he is celebrating but rather the 'ordinary form of the Roman liturgy'.
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There are many mothers sorrowful for their children, mothers of those in prison, those tortured ... - I like to pray for them on Our Lady of Sorrows day. Our Lady of Sorrows will have a special care for them.
I know the colour set is white for Our Lady of Sorrows but some vestments have deep colours in the white, like deep blue. The contrast is good I think for this sombre feast.
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I meant to say in my opening comment I meant the discussion to be of feasts of Our Lady in the Western Catholic tradition.
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I think that boat had already sailed by the fourth reply on page one.
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dj_ordinaire
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Originally posted by Laetare:
I meant to say in my opening comment I meant the discussion to be of feasts of Our Lady in the Western Catholic tradition.
Laetare,
I know that the web-page you linked to in the opening post was concerned with feasts principally of Roman Catholic observance, but since then there has been discussion of feasts within the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican and Lutheran traditions. In accordance with the tread title I think it is still appropriate for any 'Feast of Mary' to be discussed here, if that's alright with you.
Thanks.
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One feast for which I've lately begun to rather love is that of the Protecting Veil. I know that it is originally Byzantine but the fact that it is now more popular in Russia shows how readily this can be adopted, and there seems something very English about entrusting our home town/city/country to the intercession of the Mother of God.
It is the dedication of the Russian patriarchal parish in Manchester, and it seems that they plan to have a Liturgy on their Patronal Festival. Hmmm. I wonder whether I can get the day off work.
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One feast for which I've lately begun to rather love is that of the Protecting Veil. I know that it is originally Byzantine but the fact that it is now more popular in Russia shows how readily this can be adopted, and there seems something very English about entrusting our home town/city/country to the intercession of the Mother of God.
It is the dedication of the Russian patriarchal parish in Manchester, and it seems that they plan to have a Liturgy on their Patronal Festival. Hmmm. I wonder whether I can get the day off work.
If the last two months of cloudy weather is any indication, it looks as if the Protecting Veil is working only too well in these parts.
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Originally posted by Cyprian:
there seems something very English about entrusting our home town/city/country to the intercession of the Mother of God.
Indeed - hence Our Lady of Walsingham, Willesden, Coventry, Egmanton, etc.
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Hey, if even a dreadful place like Ipswich gets an 'Our Lady of...' Her protection must be pretty extensive!
(She's now venerated in that form at St. Mary's in said town).
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Originally posted by Angloid:
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Originally posted by Cyprian:
One feast for which I've lately begun to rather love is that of the Protecting Veil. I know that it is originally Byzantine but the fact that it is now more popular in Russia shows how readily this can be adopted, and there seems something very English about entrusting our home town/city/country to the intercession of the Mother of God.
It is the dedication of the Russian patriarchal parish in Manchester, and it seems that they plan to have a Liturgy on their Patronal Festival. Hmmm. I wonder whether I can get the day off work.
If the last two months of cloudy weather is any indication, it looks as if the Protecting Veil is working only too well in these parts.
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I note the host's comments, thank you. I should have made it more clear that my intention was to discuss devotion to Our Lady in the context of her feasts in Western Catholic - or even Western Protestant - traditions.
Thousands of Church of England churches are dedicated in honour of Mary. Some keep their Parish Reast day on August 15th, and some on September 8th - the Assumption and the Nativity. Do any we know keep their feast on another of our Lady's feast days?
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I note the host's comments, thank you. I should have made it more clear that my intention was to discuss devotion to Our Lady in the context of her feasts in Western Catholic - or even Western Protestant - traditions.
Thousands of Church of England churches are dedicated in honour of Mary. Some keep their Parish Reast day on August 15th, and some on September 8th - the Assumption and the Nativity. Do any we know keep their feast on another of our Lady's feast days?
In the Church of England, the two most obvious examples are St. Mary's Bourne Street (who keep the Visitation) and St. Mary's Lacemarket in Nottingham (who keep the Purification).
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This sunday, My parish is celebrating the (transferred) Feast of Our Lady of Ransom/Mercy. It's a tradition in the Order of Our Lady of Mercy (Mercedarians) Who take care of my parish, to observe seven Saturdays before the feast with prayers after the singing of the Saturday Salve. (Another Mercedarian tradition.)We've been doing that, and it's well attended. There were novena pamphlets in the parish bulletin a few weeks ago, for those who could not come. Sunday, There will be ice cream, cookies, and drinks after mass. They also decorate the altar of our lady rather elaborately for the Sunday and week after the feast. I think I already linked to a picture of last year's, but
Here it is again. There's an old frontal that can;t be seen in the picture.
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In England September 24th is kept as Our Lady of Ransom, or as Our Lady of Walsingham. I'm not sure who keeps which feast in England. At our church Mass is of Our Lady of Walsingham, and our Walsingham Cell sponsor this Mass.
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For the benefit of all you extra-Antipodeans, the patronal feast for the Basilica of Sancta Maria non Immaculata here in Sinny is 24 May-Our Lady Help of Christians.
In my misspent youth, it coincided with Empire day (aka Cracker night) when we Little Englanders lit bonfires and let off tuppenny bungers. Them days is long gone, I am happy to say...
No doubt the late GK Chesterton would have approved.
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Here is a lovely quote about Our Lady of Sorrows feast from Pope John Paul II. I'm sure many Catholic christians will like it:
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Today's feast is an occasion for us to accept all the adversity we encounter as personal purification, and to co-redeem with Christ. Mary our Mother teaches us not to complain in the midst of trials as we know she never would. She encourages us to unite our sufferings to the sacrifice of her son and so offer them as spiritual gifts for the benefit of our family, the Church, and all humanity.
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At my church we do not observe many feasts relating to the Blessed Virgin Mary. However, March 25th 'Lady day' is popular with the Mothers' Union.
There is also a Sunday in Advent when the preacher often makes a good deal of reference to the Virgin, presumably because of the Gospel reading and the time of year.
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We celebrated the Nativity of the Mother of God today. It was rather lovely. It was also a little confusing, it also being the Sunday before the Exaltation of the Holy Cross and a Sunday anyway: three epistles and three gospels are appointed.
We were taught the significance of the feast, in that in both the feast of the Conception of the Mother of God nine months ago, and, more explicitly, in that of her Nativity today, we see in God's Mother a prefigurement of the redemption of fallen creation that her Son was to fulfil. We see the barrenness of Ss. Joachim and Anna, itself part of the suppression of the fullness of life and of human participation in the life-generating energies of the Trinity, which is a result of the fall, being overcome and revealed to be powerless in the face of Christ, who was to trample down death by death, and annihilate it by his Resurrection.
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Thy Nativity, O Virgin Theotokos, hath proclaimed joy to all the world; for from thee hath dawned the Sun of Righteousness, Christ our God, annulling the curse and bestowing the blessing, abolishing death and granting us life eternal.
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From the Beatitudes for the Feast:
Let both barren and mothers dance for joy; make bold and leap up in gladness, O ye childless. For the barren and childless woman brings forth the Theotokos, who is to deliver Eve from her pains in travail and Adam from the curse.
The hymns from the Feast of the Conception of the Mother of God seem to celebrate the same mystery but in a more subdued fashion, and this feast isn't among the Twelve Great Feasts, perhaps for that reason.
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St Silas the Carter today (21st September) said on another thread - on Marian Hymns -
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We used "O Sanctissima" today,(For the Solemnity of Our Lady of Mercy.)
I didn't know that was today, we didn't keep it. Anyone help me out on this one.
And then Cyprian is on about it being Our Lady's Birthday - but I thought that was September 8th - a feast held in common by Christians of the West and of the East. Help on this one too!
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I think that Cyprian is referring to the Julian calendar rather than the more usual Gregorian calendar.
Don't worry about Our Lady of Mercy - it is not the end of the world if you do not observe all ofothe Marian Feasts - in the rch church anyway some of the feasts or memorials are not of universal significance -our Lady of Ransom is only celebrated in some churches.
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Cheers for that, I find the feasts of Our Lady very interesting. I was confused though - is today the feast of Our Lady Of Mercy and if not why is it being kept on a Sunday in some places?
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Originally posted by Laetare:
And then Cyprian is on about it being Our Lady's Birthday - but I thought that was September 8th - a feast held in common by Christians of the West and of the East. Help on this one too!
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I think that Cyprian is referring to the Julian calendar rather than the more usual Gregorian calendar.
That's right. Today is the 8th of September by the Julian calendar. The Orthodox Church didn't adopt the Gregorian calendar reforms of the 16th century, (except the Church of Finland). Most of us still use the Julian Calendar while a large minority follow the Revised Julian (Meletian) calendar.
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Our Lady of Mercy, aka Our Lady of Ransom, is 24 September. St Silas's parish is run by priests of the Mercederian Order (dedicated to OL of Mercy), so I presume they were taking liberties in celebrating their patronal Solemnity on the nearest Sunday.
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Generally speaking Our Lady of Mercy is kept on 24th September - if it is celebrated - it is probably an optional memorial these days.
Again ,if the church is dedicated to Our Lady of Mercy then the 'External solemnity' of the feast could be transferred to the nearest Sunday.
21st September is usually the Feast of St Matthew but it is replaced generally by the Sunday Mass in Ordinary Time - that is at least as far as the Roman Missal goes.
It is always confusing for us in the West who have used the Gregorian calendar for centuries that certain Eastern christians for most of the time use the Julian calendar and you will find all the feasts 10 to 12 ? days later than you might expect them.
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It is always confusing for us in the West who have used the Gregorian calendar for centuries that certain Eastern christians for most of the time use the Julian calendar and you will find all the feasts 10 to 12 ? days later than you might expect them.
13 at the moment. I know what you mean, though. It gets easier and, after a while, you begin to be able to immediately know which number in what we refer to as the "church calendar" corresponds to the number in the "civil calendar", though I find I often still have to consult a wall calendar or my diary when the 13-day difference overlaps two months.
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Generally speaking Our Lady of Mercy is kept on 24th September - if it is celebrated - it is probably an optional memorial these days.
It isn't even an optional memorial in the General Roman Calendar. Until recently it was proper only to England, where it was observed as OL of Ransom. 24 September has now been rebranded as OL of Walsingham in England.
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I don't have my Walsingham material to hand, but IIRC the Society of OLW regards just three Feasts of Our Lady as Holydays of Obligation for affiliated Cells. They are the Annunciation (25th March), which was celebrated at our sister church on the eve, the Assumption (15th August), celebrated at our place on The Day, and what I believe to be the date of the translation of the image of Our Lady to the present shrine (15th October) - please correct me gently if I'm wrong about that last one. AFAIK, we are going to anticipate the latter Feast on Saturday 11th October, having moved our monthly Mass of OLW to that Saturday (to make way for St. Francis on the 4th). Hope I've got all that right!
We haven't yet started our proposed Wednesday evening Mass, but if we had, we would of course be celebrating OLW this coming Wednesday as ever is...never mind, the Office will have to suffice (and a bit of incense, maybe, if I can get some charcoal tomorrow....).
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The Walsingham Shrine webpage of The Roman Catholic Shrine says:
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Feast of Our Lady of Walsingham. In 1993, the Bishops' Conference of England and Wales presented to Rome proposals for a new liturgical calendar for England and Wales. These were finally approved by the Vatican to take effect from Advent 2000. Among the changes is a new feast of Our Lady of Walsingham to be celebrated as a memorial (a feast in East Anglia) on September 24th.
So it seems that the Feast of OLW is instead of what used to be, but maybe in other countries things haven't changed.
At the Anglican Shrine there is a 11am Concelebrated mass on Wednesday for 'The Feast of Our Lady of Walsingham.'
I don't know anything about the three special days for SOLW members but I may have missed them being talked about by our cell secretary.
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Well, you would be keeping the Annunciation and the Assumption anyway, no? The Translation of the Image one is new to me, though!
On a slightly sour note, I have been a bit miffed this summer to see that our place (following the Roman Catholic lectionary) has missed out on the Transfiguration, St. Bartholomew and St. Matthew. It's all very well to give Our Lady her rightful place, but these other Feasts are important too, and I wish we had done a little tweaking with these interminable Sundays in Ordinary Time to accommodate them. Mind you, we did celebrate St. Matthew at Evensnog and Benners this afternoon...
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On a slightly sour note, I have been a bit miffed this summer to see that our place (following the Roman Catholic lectionary) has missed out on the Transfiguration, St. Bartholomew and St. Matthew.
How did you miss out on the Transfiguration? It's on August 6th and I think that was a Wednesday this year. Did that get transferred in the U.K. too somehow?
Mind you I'm not criticising since my diocese transfers some holy days too.
Maybe your church can try what the priests at my parish do. When a feast or saint's day gets trumped by another feast or Sunday, they will often mention that saint or feast at the greeting or during the prayers of the faithful. As in "if today weren't the 86th Sunday in Ordinary Time today we would be remembering St. So-and-so of the Five Wounds" or "through the intercession of St. So-and-so we pray to the Lord..... Lord hear our prayer". They might get a shout-out during the homily too.
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Maybe Bishops Finger was keeping the Julian Calendar ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Transfiguration isn't transferred, but if it occurs on a Sunday it displaces the Sunday. Only Feasts of the Lord displace the Sundays whereas Saints do not (apart from SS Peter and Paul, All Saints and the Assumption of our Lady). The following are the Feasts of the Lord which trump the Sundays:
The Presentation of the Lord
The Transfiguration of the Lord
The Triumph of the Cross
The Dedication of the Lateran Basilica
Why the last is counted as a Feast of the Lord I do not know! It does, however, fall on a Sunday this year (9 November) so there is no 32nd Sunday this year - and that's universal, not just England and Wales!
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Fr. TT's post here reminded me of the perfect example to what I just described. In the U.S. Epiphany gets transferred to a Sunday however in Latin America everybody knows that it always falls on January 6th no matter what day of the week.
I once went to the spanish mass on the traditional date in the middle of the week. I think that year Epiphany was on the following Sunday. At the greeting the priest mentioned that it was the traditional date for Epiphany and he recognized that some of us were there for that reason. The prayers and readings were all done according to the U.S. calendar and half of the homily was given to the day's proper readings but the second half began: " for those of you here to celebrate the Kings' Day..." and he continued with a short homily on Epiphany. It was probably a preview of that Sunday's coming attractions.
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The Dedication of St. John Lateran Basilica is a feast of Our Lord because the proper name of the Basilica is the Archbasilica of Our Saviour. It is dedicated to Our Lord.
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Fr. TT's post here reminded me of the perfect example to what I just described. In the U.S. Epiphany gets transferred to a Sunday however in Latin America everybody knows that it always falls on January 6th no matter what day of the week.
I once went to the spanish mass on the traditional date in the middle of the week. I think that year Epiphany was on the following Sunday. At the greeting the priest mentioned that it was the traditional date for Epiphany and he recognized that some of us were there for that reason. The prayers and readings were all done according to the U.S. calendar and half of the homily was given to the day's proper readings but the second half began: " for those of you here to celebrate the Kings' Day..." and he continued with a short homily on Epiphany. It was probably a preview of that Sunday's coming attractions.
In England, most people know perfectly well that it falls on 'Twelth Night', even if they are completely secular - the reason being that this is when Christmas decorations should come down!
Exactly what the link with Epiphany is might be more challenging - as Adrian Mole said when he was moved to find out: 'It's just something about the three Wise Men. Big deal!'
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Fr. TT's post here reminded me of the perfect example to what I just described. In the U.S. Epiphany gets transferred to a Sunday however in Latin America everybody knows that it always falls on January 6th no matter what day of the week.
And about damn time to move it back to 6 January!
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The Dedication of St. John Lateran Basilica is a feast of Our Lord because the proper name of the Basilica is the Archbasilica of Our Saviour. It is dedicated to Our Lord.
Possibly, though I am skeptical of that explanation. The Dedication Feast has nothing to do with the title of a Church - that is the "Titular Solemnity" or "Feast of Title" or, as the Anglicans have it, "Patronal Festival". The Titular Feast of the Lateran Basilica is the Feast of the Transfiguration. The Feast of Dedication, or Dedication Festival in Anglican parlance, has a different meaning.
It is a Christian version of the Jewish Feast of Dedication (as mentioned, for example, in John 10:22), which celebrates the re-dedication of the Jerusalem Temple after its desecration by Antiochus Epiphanes (168 BC). The Christian Church early on did not, of course, have any church buildings, but when they did start to build them the buildings were set apart entirely for the worship of God - this is the dedication. Early Roman churches were often buildings removed from pagan worship and then set aside for Christian worship. Pope Gregory the Great encouraged octaves of celebration and feasting to celebrate such dedication, and there was an annual celebration of the anniversary of the dedication.
Confusion also arises between a dedication and a consecration of a church. Consecration is the fuller, preferred rite, dedication much simpler. However, consecration carries with it more serious consequences (it is set aside in perpetuity etc) so there are conditions placed upon the full consecration of a church. It needs to be fully paid for, for example, and intended to remain in perpetuity. Buildings which are not consecrated are dedicated instead - places such as school and hospital chapels would be an example, or new parish buildings where debt remains. In my first parish we had Cardinal Hume come and consecrate the building more than 100 years after it was built - it took that long to clear the debt!
In each diocese the Feast of the Dedication of the Cathedral ought to be observed as a diocesan feast. It reminds the faithful of their unity with their bishop, whose cathedra is housed there. The Dedication of the Lateran Basilica is observed universally for similar reasons: it indicates unity with the Bishop of Rome whose Cathedral the Lateran Basilica is. The Lateran is known as omnium urbis et orbis ecclesiarum mater et caput (mother and head of all the churches in the city and the world). Indeed, those words are carved into the stone of its portal.
That does not explain, however, why it ranks as a Feast of the Lord.
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Fr. TT's post here reminded me of the perfect example to what I just described. In the U.S. Epiphany gets transferred to a Sunday however in Latin America everybody knows that it always falls on January 6th no matter what day of the week.
And about damn time to move it back to 6 January!
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The Dedication of St. John Lateran Basilica is a feast of Our Lord because the proper name of the Basilica is the Archbasilica of Our Saviour. It is dedicated to Our Lord.
Possibly, though I am skeptical of that explanation. The Dedication Feast has nothing to do with the title of a Church - that is the "Titular Solemnity" or "Feast of Title" or, as the Anglicans have it, "Patronal Festival". The Titular Feast of the Lateran Basilica is the Feast of the Transfiguration. The Feast of Dedication, or Dedication Festival in Anglican parlance, has a different meaning.
It is a Christian version of the Jewish Feast of Dedication (as mentioned, for example, in John 10:22), which celebrates the re-dedication of the Jerusalem Temple after its desecration by Antiochus Epiphanes (168 BC).
Note that this rededication took place on the final day of the Jewish ninth month. The suggested date for celebrating a Dedication Festival in the Church of England (in instances where the actual day is lost in time) is the first Sunday of October i.e. the Sunday falling after that.
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I have no idea why I was wittering on about missing the Transfiguration this year.
Perhaps I am becoming a bit discombobulated at trying to come to terms with the peculiar calendar we seem to keep/make up/ignore at our place!
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I seem to remember a priest telling me that the Feast of Dedication / Consecration of a church was a Feast of Our Lord.
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The following are ... Feasts of the Lord ...
The Presentation of the Lord
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Tomorrow, 24th September, is an important feast in England - the Feast of Our lady of Walsingham.
We are having Mass for the feast, and Benediction at our Church. Our weekday masses like this are not always well attended.
What is anyone else doing?
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I thought that was simply another title for OLoW?
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Not quite. It used to be the only Marian Feast proper to England and Wales alone, for some obscure reason*. The Bishops' Conference took over the date for OLW as the English national feast of OL, thus replacing OL of Ransom.
*Obscure reason is that OL Ransom has strong Spanish connections relating to the liberation, or ransoming, of Christian prisoners of the Moors. After the Reformation England was lost as "Mary's Dowry" and the Church was in captivity to the secular power. Honouring Mary as OL of Ransom was a way of asking for her to pray for release from that captivity. Pope Leo XIII (surprise surprise) instituted all this. A Guild of our Lady of Ransom was set up to work and pray for the conversion of England and Pope Leo became its first President. It still exists and does great work of collecting money for poor parishes.
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We observed Our Lady of Walsingham feast yesterday. I think this is a good feast which can unite Anglicans and RCs in England in prayer.
We were told at Mass that now in England the feast is generally to be called 'Our Lady of Walsingham.' Our prayers focussed on Walsingham itself and for our nation.
We sang 'As I kneel before you.' It was so lovely gently singing that moving hymn.
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The 1662 Prayer Book of the Church of England (and indeed some subsequent revisions both in England and overseas)mentions some feasts of the Blessed Virgin Mary, including her Conception on December 8th.
However, I am not entirely clear to what extent they have been observed in the Church of England, especially in the Church of England in the period 1662-1850. The Conception is in the Calendar of the 1662 book, but no prayers or readings specifically for the day are provided.
I would like to add that in at least one case a red letter day is also given a name associated with the Virgin - I refer to the 'Presentation of Christ in the Temple' to which is added 'commonly called The Purification of Saint Mary the Virgin'. The latter title is the only title which appears in the calendar of the 1662 Prayer Book.
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