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We even have an announcement of the Indulgence posted up.
What did the notice say?
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Did you:
1. Pray for the Holy Father's intentions?
2. Go to confession?
3. Receive Holy Communion?
Those are the "usual conditions" for receiving an Indulgence. Not sure that Anglican confession and HC counts! Here's the notice:
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A plenary indulgence applicable to all the souls in Purgatory is granted to any of the faithful who:
1. on one of the days from 1-8 November visit devoutly a cemetery or simply pray mentally for the dead.
2. on All Souls Day visit a church or chapel with devotion and there recite the Our Father and the Creed.
A partial indulgence, applicable only to the souls in Purgatory, is granted to any of the faithful who
1. visit devoutly a cemetery or who simply pray mentally for the dead
2. recite devoutly Lauds or Vespers of the Office of the Dead, or the invocation "Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord".
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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Did you:
1. Pray for the Holy Father's intentions?
2. Go to confession?
3. Receive Holy Communion?
Those are the "usual conditions" for receiving an Indulgence. Not sure that Anglican confession and HC counts! Here's the notice:
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A plenary indulgence applicable to all the souls in Purgatory is granted to any of the faithful who:
1. on one of the days from 1-8 November visit devoutly a cemetery or simply pray mentally for the dead.
2. on All Souls Day visit a church or chapel with devotion and there recite the Our Father and the Creed.
A partial indulgence, applicable only to the souls in Purgatory, is granted to any of the faithful who
1. visit devoutly a cemetery or who simply pray mentally for the dead
2. recite devoutly Lauds or Vespers of the Office of the Dead, or the invocation "Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord".
Shucks. I will have to languish a little longer in purgatory then.
Mind you, I always pray for the Holy Father, though I don't know what his personal intentions are.
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In a pinch, does one have to know what they are, or can one simply pray for his intentions? I'm thinking along the lines of baptism, at which the minister need only intend to do what the Church does at baptism, even if s/he doesn't know what that entails.
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In a pinch, does one have to know what they are, or can one simply pray for his intentions? I'm thinking along the lines of baptism, at which the minister need only intend to do what the Church does at baptism, even if s/he doesn't know what that entails.
No pinch necessary; the standard is just to pray an Our Father, a Hail Mary and a Glory Be "for the Pope's intentions", without knowing what those are. God doesn't mind looking them up for you.
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Triple Tiara
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No, you have to go to confession.
It is useful to know what the Pope's intentions are, btw, but it suffices simply to pray "For the intentions of the Holy Father"
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oops. Cross-posted with Hart.
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I think that the confession and the Communion must be made with a priest in full communion with the roman pontiff who has granted the Indulgence.
However the good Lord will reward you amply for all your efforts.
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Next Friday (21st February)is the Feast of the Presentation of Our Lady. Or parish list says Mass will be offered for enclosed religious.
The Holy Father has said: "Mary, whom we contemplate on the Memorial of her Presentation in the Temple as Mother and model of the Church, who welcomes in herself both vocations: to virginity and to marriage, to contemplative life and to active life."
Is this feast kept widely and are there any special customs or practices done on it?
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It's an Ebbsfleet Feast so should certainly be kept in Anglo-Catholic parishes in the western part of the Province of Canterbury!
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This feast features in works of art, but I was also wondering if famous people have preached about it or written about it. Does anyone know?
I'm pleased to know that some of the Anglo Catholic parishes keep it - are there special events connected with that keeping of the feast?
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(I presume you meant the 21st of November, Laetare. I know your church uses a different calendar from mine but I didn't think you were that far out. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ).
We keep this feast as one of the twelve great feasts. To my knowledge, there are no special liturgical actions such as the blessing of anything in particular but the hymns and doctrine of the feast are lovely. I have a reflection on the feast by Fr Sergius Bulkagov in the recently translated and published Churchly Joy. We'll be doing Great Vespers at my parish.
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A day of joy has dawned, and a feast worthy of all reverence. For today she who was Virgin before childbirth, and remained Virgin after bearing child, is offered in the temple. The venerable Zacharius, father of the Forerunner, cried aloud rejoicing: 'The expectation of those in affliction, herself holy, is come to the holy temple, there to be consecrated as dwelling-place of the Almighty.' Let Joachim the forefather be glad and let Anna rejoice exceedingly, for they have offered unto God, as a three-year-old victim of sacrifice, the Queen without blemish. Rejoice with them, O ye mothers; ye virgins, dance for joy; and ye barren, be of good cheer. For the pre-ordained Queen of all has opened the Kingdom of Heaven unto us. Rejoice and be exceeding glad, ye peoples!
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THE PRESENTATION OF OUR LADY IN THE TEMPLE
Why did I say February 21st - I don't know, I meant it as November 21st. It seems from what you are saying then that the Greek orthodox see it as a big feast. Its not so big in my church.
I dont have a copy of the Office of Readings but did wonder what was read on this feast in it.
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Well, we celebrated it this morning.
What a lovely, scriptural feast - God prepares a temple for His Son. And we are temples of the holy Spirit like Mary, our mother.
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There's an important difference in this feast in East and West, I think. The breviary description makes it clear that what the fest primarily commemorates for us is the dedication of the church of Saint Mary which was built in Jerusalem near the site of the Temple. The tradition of the child Mary being presented to the Lord by her parents in the Temple is very much secondary, and none of the propers refer to it as a historical event.
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I should have gone to Mass but got caught up in meetings. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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I like the Saint of the Day entry here. It does suggest that the Greek orthodox church does observe the feast more than we do. That's interesting.
A theme for the prayers today the Holy Father has asked is for contemplaivte men and women. I shall pray for them this evening.
is the church in jerusalem still there that its the dedication of?
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Originally posted by Laetare:
I dont have a copy of the Office of Readings but did wonder what was read on this feast in it.
I don't know, but Lesson viii at Matins in Monastic Breviary Matins gives us this interesting insight from "the Book by S. Ambrose, Bishop, on Virgins":
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What should I say of [Mary's] sparing portion of food, of her diligence at her duty, the latter beyond nature, the former below its needs; she spared no labour, she fasted for two days together. And when she had to eat, she took food that was at hand, not to please herself, but to prevent death. She slept because there was need, not from desire, and even when her body was at rest, her soul kep vigil; for often when sleeping she would repeat what she had read, or continued where sleep had interrupted, or reviewed what had been done, or spoke of what remained to be done.
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I suppose St Ambrose was writing about the qualities he admired in virgins, which must of course be true also of the young BVM. And he seems a little carried away!
Interesting antiphons I hadn't noticed in the Common of Feasts of S. Mary the Virgin:
Ant. 2. O holy Mother of God, + thou hast yielded a pleasant odour, like the best myrrh.
Ant. 3. Sing for us + again and again before this maiden's bed the sweet songs of the drama.
Ant. 9. Rejoice, + O Virgin Mary: thou hast mightily destroyed all the heresies in the whole world. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
And the one that made me burst out laughing as I prayed:
Ant. 12. I went down + into the garden of nuts ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) to see the fruits of the valley, and whether the vine flourishesd and the pomegranates budded, alleluia.
Oblatus, from the garden of nuts ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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The Pokrov, or the Feast of the Protecting Veil is a pretty big deal.
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The Pokrov, or the Feast of the Protecting Veil is a pretty big deal.
So? is that what today is called by the Geek orthodox? What is the meaning of the veil for today?
Isn't
this an interesting painting of today's feast... Not quite sure what is going on but it is fine to me.
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Geek Orthodox?
Oh dear.
I'll get me coat..........
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Hehe, Yes, Ian, you can spot us in a crowd. Look for our horn-rimmed eyeglasses and our white shirts with the pocket-protectors and the breast pocked filled with 5 or 6 biros.
If our laptops should crash, you will hear collective sighs of "Kyrie eleison" muttered over and over, 40 times.
Line feed, carriage return,
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The Pokrov, or the Feast of the Protecting Veil is a pretty big deal.
So? is that what today is called by the Geek orthodox? What is the meaning of the veil for today?
You'll see the feast called the feast of the protecting veil, the patronage or the protection in English. In Slavonic it's Pokrov. The meaning today is essentially as it has been, and as the image depicts, and that's that of the veil of the virgin offering protection. It's a feast focused on the need for the intercession of the Virgin Mother. It's a lesser feast along with the Conception of St. Anne, but an important one.
The majors are the nativity, presentation, annunciation and dormition.
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Sorry about the Geek thing, meant greek of course. No offence meant.
Are you saying the Pokrov feast is today's feast - the presentation of Our lady or a different day. Bit confused on this.
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Different. The Presentation is in a couple of weeks. Pokrov last month.
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The Holy Father mentioned praying for enclosed nuns and monks at the Feast of the Presentation of Our Lady - does anyone have other themes in prayer for that day.
I found those antiphons mentioned funny - but don't know that book. Do any breviaries have proper set pieces for the feast of the presentation?
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The Office of Readings for the Presentation of the BVM.
Yes - I read it after mass and was impressed with how St. Augustine's sermon is a fitting commentary on the gospel for today.
Yes - I was impressed with that one (and also his commentary on 'Sing unto the Lord a new song' which is assigned for St. Cecilia...)
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The Holy Father mentioned praying for enclosed nuns and monks at the Feast of the Presentation of Our Lady - does anyone have other themes in prayer for that day.
I found those antiphons mentioned funny - but don't know that book. Do any breviaries have proper set pieces for the feast of the presentation?
Yes, here's the propers from LOTH:
Canticle of Zech: "Blessed are you, Mary, because you believed that the Lord's words to you would be fulfilled, alleluia."
Collect: "Eternal Father,
we honor the holiness and glory of the Virgin Mary.
May her prayers bring us
the fullness of your life and love.
We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Canticle of Mary: "Holy Mother of God, Mary ever-Virgin, you are the temple of the Lord and the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit. Beyond all others you were pleasing to our Lord Jesus Christ."
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Its coming up soon to Immaculate Conception. I love this festival in Advent. We have an evening Mass with refreshments afterwards. How will you be observing it at your church or chapel?
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I doubt I'll see my parish observing the Conception of the BVM in my lifetime. I'll be here as usual. There will be a Procession and Solemn High Mass followed by a potluck supper. I've even managed to attract a curious friend into accompanying me.
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I'm thinking of hyeing me to the local SPPX shack for the Immaculate Conception... should be a giggle...
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Anyone in New York care to MW the mediaeval Latin Mass reconstruction at the Church of the Resurrection?
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I doubt I'll see my parish observing the Conception of the BVM in my lifetime. I'll be here as usual. There will be a Procession and Solemn High Mass followed by a potluck supper. I've even managed to attract a curious friend into accompanying me.
'A curious friend' - can take that two ways!
hey, that church on its homepage doesn't mention Immaculate Conception, LQ, maybe its standards are slipping.
Is the medieval mass thing on Immaculate Conception? I wonder how many masses were offered in medieval New York!
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Try here. And I note that they actually call it the Immaculate Conception.
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Laetare enquired:
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Its coming up soon to Immaculate Conception. I love this festival in Advent. We have an evening Mass with refreshments afterwards. How will you be observing it at your church or chapel?
We're hosting a pontifical solemn mass at midday with the Bishop of Blackburn and the North-West ward of the Society of Mary. Should be quite a fine event. We're bringing in a professional choir who will sing the Missa Sancti Nicolai of Haydn, along with motets by Mozart and Elgar. There's over 100 booked for lunch afterwards, so might be 150 in church. When the Bishop has finished his after-lunch talk about his journey with Mary, we're repairing to the church again to pray the rosary, led by the priest from our Roman Catholic neighbours up the road. (He also attended our last pontifical mass, along with a contingent of his parishioners, but obviously didn't receive the Sacrament.) How delightfully ecumenical (and we did have a Methodist minister preaching at mass last Sunday, too).
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Thanks LQ sounds fascinating - I'm not sure how long Immaculate Conception has been going in the Church - at least medieval it would seem.
Actually I meant that church you are going to near you (not the NY one) doesn't mention Immaculate Conception on its lovely homepage.
Yes I think being full faith and saying quote:
Immaculate
is important. Thats what I'm after!
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Ah, sorry.
Yes, the feast isn't mentioned either here or here - only here (pdf). I rang the church office to confirm, though, and it's on. In fact, it's the only Solemn High Mass in the diocese that day.
Here's the leaflet (pdf) from last year.
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djo - i am sure that I am an old stick in the mud,but I wouldn't describe a tridentine Mass of SSPX as a 'giggle'.
but more importantly ,are you going to laugh at them or with them ?
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Is there any devotional act, prayer or church ceremony especially associated with Immaculate Conception?
I know white is used as a colour. I was wondering if statues of Our Lady are especially decorated or special events held.
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Well, it's a new one on me, too. Our place is observing it with a Solemn Low Mass (thanks, Carys!), at which three hymns will be sung. I shall report any special prayer or liturgical act accordingly........if I notice anything, that is. TPTB have asked me to serve the Mass - my first time, so I may be a bit discombobulated.......
I expect Father will wear our nice white/blue Marian chasuble, though.
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They say Our Lady, the Immacualte Conception, is the patron of the USA. Is this marked especially - do they celebrate Immaculate Conception then especially in the USA.
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Try here. And I note that they actually call it the Immaculate Conception.
Gosh, is it that time of year already?
During the homily on 8th December 2005, that old stick in the mud, Stephen Cottrell, Bishop of Reading, preached that the 8th December was either the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception or it was a feria in Advent. Owt else meant nowt.
(Cue Cyprian to come on and defend the Eastern perspective...)
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Does Immaculate Conception have a Vigil Mass - and why not if not - I think Assumption does.
Father says we will have a nice Mass on Monday evening followed by a glass of wine together.
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I will be keeping the Feast with +Rowan, as we express ourselves freshly here.
SSPX it won't be!
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