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Max.
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I was at a lovely Pentecost Confirmation here in London this evening. A rather happy clappy Catholic Church.

Entrance: Sing of the Lord's goodness, Father of all wisdom
Gloria: Salazar
Gospel Acclamation: Zimbabwe Mass
Procession with the Gifts: Let us talents and tongues employ
Sanctus/Memorial/Doxology/Amen: Gathering Mass
Agnus Dei: Peace I leave with you my friends
Communion 1: Listen, let your heart keep seeking
Communion 2: Spirit of the Living God (Matt Redman Commissioning song)
Exit Song: We are marching in the light of God


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I showed willing this morning and wore my red chimere for Matins, and the bright red set my wife made for Holy Communion. One member of the congregation wore RED.

No other funny business, but the attendance was a bit thin. Maybe I should not have given them the incense warning last week. Actually, I think the fact the weather is still nice may have had more to do with it. It is about 75F and sunny here which is usually cool for late May.

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin L:
Do you have:
1) A request to wear red
2) A collection for red flowers
3) Some sort of red, orange, and yellow streamers
4) Praise music

1) The Minister did a congregational survey. Not many succeeded. Not even the Minister.*

2) No.

3) No.

4) Being a Methodist-origin United Church congregation who use Voices United, we do praise music every Sunday. Especially now that the new minister is a happy-clappy vestment-hating sort.

*He only stopped wearing t-shirts to Sunday Worship when the Session threatened to revolt against him.

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quote:
Originally posted by PD:
No other funny business, but the attendance was a bit thin. Maybe I should not have given them the incense warning last week.

You warned them that you wouldn't be using incense today? No wonder so many of the regulars did turn up. [Biased]

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We had a good Pentecost, though we had a lot of late people tpday.

Entrance: Spiritus Domini replevit Orben Terrarum , introit, Come oly Ghost, creator Blest, hymn.
Gloria: Missa Secunda, ans Leo assler
Alleluia: Mode VIIa,Graduale simplex.
Sequence:Veni Sancte Sancte Spiritus, Gregorian.
Offertory: Confirma hoc Deus, gregorian,
Veni Creator Spiritus, Palestrina/gregorian.
Sanctus and agnus: Missa de Angelis
Communion: Factus est repente and psalm 67, gregorian.
If Ye Love Me, Thomas Tallis.
Recessional: Sing Alleluya, Priase the Lord.
Fugue from the Dorian Toccata and fugue as the postlude.

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No offence Silas... but I'm glad I didn't go to your Church.


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Wearing red: as my red shirt was in the wash, I wore red socks in honour of the Holy Ghost this morning. Another young man at Mass was wearing red socks too, but I didn't get the chance to ask if this was deliberate and/or symbolic.

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quote:
Originally posted by Max.:
No offence Silas... but I'm glad I didn't go to your Church.

I rather suspect that the esteemed Carter would say much the same about yours. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
We had a good Pentecost, though we had a lot of late people tpday.


Late as in tardy or..... dead? [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Low Treason:
quote:
Originally posted by St.Silas the carter:
We had a good Pentecost, though we had a lot of late people today.


Late as in tardy or..... dead? [Eek!]
Dead. All the Catholic caskets arrived early to get a good seat in the back.

(As to Max's parish, I've been attending far more charismatic masses than you might think.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Max.:
No offence Silas... but I'm glad I didn't go to your Church.


Max.

Whereas those of us who love good Church music would've had a fabulous time! Silas, what an amazing menu of beautiful music. <sigh!>


This morning's church - we had a joint service across the four congregations - doesn't have red colours so only the priest wore red - her stole. We had the usual Pentecost readings, suitable hymns and I encouraged two selected volunteers to illustrate the talk with a balloon race up the aisle, wafted by fans.

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1. No
2. No
3. Yes
4. No
My granddaughter was baptised this morning. As organist, I got to pick the hymns. We are a small, fairly high church group of Episcopalians. Her parents requested that I not use any praise music. [Smile] We had a wonderful, traditional service, without incense. No red wearing, except for the priests. One did ask me why I didn't wear red.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cyprian:
Some say that the name of the feast is Whit Sunday, and that this reflects white baptismal garments. There is ndeed an Old English term hwīta sunnandæg, which means White Sunday.

However, the liturgical books do not seem to support this reading. There is evidence to suggest that the name has nothing whatsoever to do with colour but that it is actually Whitsun Day, whitsun/wisdom/wit traditionally being seen an outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Certainly the author of the Saxon Chronicle (D) seemed to understand the word as "white Sunday":
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And Ealdred arcepiscop hig [Matilda] gehalgode to cwene on Westmynstre on hwitan sunnan daeg.
That doesn't mean the author was right, just that that was how he understood the word.

Likewise the occurrences of the word in Laȝamon's Brut seem consistent with "white Sunday"
quote:
That al his folc swa swithe muri     come to Amberes-buri.
Al his drihtliche uolc     to White-sunedæie.
Thider com Aurilie the king    and al his folc mid him.
a Whiten-sunendæie    he ther waerf makede,
alse ich the wulle telle    a thisse boc-spelle....
Al than on Whitensunendæie    the king a than uelde læi.
hæt halgien the stude     the hæhte Stanhenge.

So until better information comes along, I will hold to the view that "white Sunday" is the etymology of Whitsunday, and that Whitsun is simply an adjectival contraction of Whitsunday.

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We had red flowers, red hangings inside and outside the church, appropriate hymns.
The priest wore his red chasuble.
I never heard of lay people wearing red for this. Is that a tradition in other churches?

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quote:
Originally posted by ChaliceGirl:
We had red flowers, red hangings inside and outside the church, appropriate hymns.
The priest wore his red chasuble.
I never heard of lay people wearing red for this. Is that a tradition in other churches?

I think we are watching tradition in the making right now. (Martin considers wearing "Tough Guys wear Pink" T-shirt on Gaudete and Laetare...)
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When I got up to make an announcement today it was a veritable sea of red shirts and dresses. Very festive. What I appreciated even more was the way that people showed their support for something new [or old/new, depending on your point of view] and got into the spirit of things.

The children were wonderful walking in with their red, yellow, and orange streamers during the processional hymn. We did two other things that were a little edgy for us: An adapted reading from Acts 2, in a narrative style, was done by one of our high school students. The assembly was asked to do various responses to the words "fire," "wind," and "spirit." A strict liturgist may have objected to the adaptation and to the somewhat dramatic delivery, but it was quite powerful. (Rest assured the Gospel reading was by-the-book.) We also used a somewhat different setting for the Reaffirmation of Baptismal Vows. The children joined the processional to the font and asked the questions of the assembly, phrased as "Do we believe in God?" (etc.). It was also quite powerful to see that exchange between children and adults; there was definitely an enhanced feeling of community during a piece of the liturgy that tends to get somewhat rote. The children were stellar and our rector was very generous with the water during the asperges, to the delight of all the young'uns.

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin L:
quote:
Originally posted by ChaliceGirl:
We had red flowers, red hangings inside and outside the church, appropriate hymns.
The priest wore his red chasuble.
I never heard of lay people wearing red for this. Is that a tradition in other churches?

I think we are watching tradition in the making right now. (Martin considers wearing "Tough Guys wear Pink" T-shirt on Gaudete and Laetare...)
I have a pink shirt that I put on precisely twice a year.

There actually were more the the usual number of people in red shirts this morning, but not overwhelmingly so. I was not among the number (not out of protest, I just didn't think of it when getting dressed).

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We had a lot of people in red too, but I'm not sure how much was deliberate. Music was:
Introit: Come down, O love divine
Gradual: Be still, for the presence of the Lord
Offertory: We have a gospel to proclaim
Anthem: Come down, O love divine - Harris
Communion: O thou who camest from above
Post communion: Walk in the light

[tangent]and the balloon is still up there[/tangent]

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That's fair enough, Mockingbird. As I said, it is something for which there has been evidence for both for some considerable time now so just go with which seems right to you. I don't think our fate rests on it. [Smile]

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A double dose here.

Solemn Mass and confirmation of 40 kids at St-Pat's-in-the-west; Spiritus Dominifor the introit, Madame's own Pentecost Sequence (with a nod to Palestrina), Come Holy Spirit (Tye) at the offertory and Ave verum corpus (Elgar) at Comunion.

Solemn Evensong and Benediction with procession at CCSL: Stanford in G, Come down O love divine (Harris) and Te Deum in G of Sumsion.


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quote:
Originally posted by Cyprian:
That's fair enough, Mockingbird. As I said, it is something for which there has been evidence for both for some considerable time now so just go with which seems right to you. I don't think our fate rests on it. [Smile]

Quite, 'though I tend more towards Whitsun and wisdom.

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OOoookay, very nice ordination, Big Paul in his best red chazzie and a small sea of assisting clergy in red stoles, plus one or two in scarves. Myself crucifer and given the task of training two small girls as acolytes an hour before the service, they having never served before... [Help] which actually worked out very well!

Music - well, very nice, but... Come Down oh Love Divine to Harris! This is what happens when you miss the morning service which had the Real Tune.

It meant I missed most of the Pride march which was a bit of a nuisance. Plus side - good spread afterwards. Down side - we finished at gone five and they still only provided soft drinks. [Confused]

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I attended St. Mahalia's novus ordo Latin mass. As usual, the congregation did not sing hardly any of the chants or any of the hymns. Two oddities. The first was the substitution of Veni Creator Spiritus for Veni Sancte Spiritus. Presumably, this was done because the former is in the Adoremus Hymnal and the latter is not. Much more oddly, the pastor wore red episcopal gloves at the beginning of the service. I do not think that Chaplains of His Holiness are normally entitled to wear them. I did not get a chance to ask him what the deal with the gloves was.

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We wear red (choir robes) every week. Except at Pentecost (the open air ecumenical service is open to all, but the choir are not required to attend as a choir). For several years now, the music has been rather loud. Amplifiers, microphones, etc. And rather strangely - when the dates combine - accompanied to the toots and whistles of the neighbouring Steam Fair.

However, I was away this year, attending a church with rushes strewn on the floor, posies in the pews and a big procession.

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The Church of Modern Mattins passed round special badges to remind people to wear red on Whitsun Day. I would not put it past that place to have had red streamers.

The Cathedral of the Bendy Poles, which can generally be counted upon to embrace liturgical whackery, had streamers AND liturgical dancers last year.

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quote:
Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
OOoookay, very nice ordination, Big Paul in his best red chazzie and a small sea of assisting clergy in red stoles,...

Our paths must have crossed! Good service, with a good sermon and a friendly feel about the whole thing. I had to raid the Cathedral's dressing-up box for a red stole, however, having left mine behind in the car. Duh!

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