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Source: (consider it) Thread: Eccles: Incense and thuribles
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
'good with colours'

That's the best euphemism I've heard for ages. Thank you. May I use it?

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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
It's only the straight priests who are happy getting the lace albs out of the cupboard, getting the Banners of Our Lady from out of the drawers as well as using the campest incense going.

Those clergy who are 'good with colours' are too scared to; very sad.

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Always happy to do so, my dear. 'Have lace and sermon, will travel'; that's my motto.

BTW, my new Director of Music, who has not been brought up an A/C, told me last Sunday that he now enjoyed opening his briefcase a couple of days later and getting a good whiff of incense wafting out from it. There's obviously hope for him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ultraspike:
I used to mix alot of different oils but the purity of frankincense with a little rose is surely the scent of heaven! [Yipee] Add some myrrh for penitential seasons.

Did any UK shipmates see the wonderful South Bank show with Alan Bennett the other week? He gave a hilarious account of stopping off at a country church on his way to a funeral, and encountering the posh village lady who was telling him about the problems they were having with 'the myrrh'. He was puzzled because 'it didn't seem a particularly high or ritualistic church', but she kept insisting, 'no, I mean the myrrh'. Until Bennett twigged that she was talking about the mower.
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[Killing me] Angloid - as one would expect from Sir Alan of Bennett.

But I trust you meant it was
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an hilarious account
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quote:
Originally posted by Corpus cani:
[Killing me] Angloid - as one would expect from Sir Alan of Bennett.

But I trust you meant it was
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an hilarious account
Corpus
Only if you're common or posh and don't aspirate the 'h'.

BTW, it's interesting to know that Alan Bennett, despite his rather unimaginative dress sense, must be 'good with colours'.

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quote:
Originally posted by angloid:
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Originally posted by Corpus cani:
But I trust you meant it was
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an hilarious account
Corpus
Only if you're common or posh and don't aspirate the 'h'.


Actually, Fowler recomends using "an" before h when the first syllable is unaccented. (So "a history" but "an historic"). Unless you are a Mitford, it takes a bit of nerve to carry this off in real life.
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Fowler? I thought he was dead! Still keep a copy around, though...

Anyone used the incense from Christ Church New Haven (CT)? We use it for benedition, it has lots of lavender (there's a color) in it and it is a a lovely alternative to Basilica.

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Fast away the old year passes, and it's almost time to bring out the thurible for its semi-annual battle with the choir.

By Easter I plan to digest this thread and try some experiments with the choir to find out how we can have both lovely smelling smoke and non-peeved choristers.

For Christmas I haven't time though (I think) to get in any alternate supplies, thus:

Any suggestions on how to strike a fine balance between having enough smoke to make the place smell nice, and not sending the choir raving into the streets in revolt? (Given that we'll be using whatever vile substances have caused the choral detestation of incense to date.) Or shall we have to make do with a few tiny symbolic swings of the thurible with barely enough scent or smoke to rouse even a bloodhound?

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My suggestion is to soften them up - burn a little before mass now and then so they become used to the smell. They only winge when they are caught unawares. It's like the smell in nasty old people's homes - if you are there all the time you don't notice it.

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Despite his calumny that old people are nasty or that their houses smell nasty or that incense smells like nasty old peoples' houses, I think that Monty is on to something. Try sneaking in during the week and burning incense.

It sounds as though your choir would whinge at the sight of dry ice vapor, though. There may be no helping things. If they are actually sensitive to the smell and not just Pavlovian, is there any chance you can not use the self-lighting sort of charcoal. If you can manage the ordinary kind without burning the place down, that really does make a nicer smell--not as irritating to the nose.

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Cleaning out the thurible and using quality stuff (if you don't want to shop for blends, 100% pure frankincense is won-der-ful - it's what we use) will help all but the hardest core.

Some people will cough at the sight of a completely unlit thurible, sad to say.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ultraspike:
I have found that a few drops of high quality Rose Maroc with alot of frankincense is the best blend ever. I used to mix alot of different oils but the purity of frankincense with a little rose is surely the scent of heaven! [Yipee] Add some myrrh for penitential seasons.

Not all frankincense and myrrh seem to be created equal. Also, Rose Maroc is pricey. Not for playing around with. Any suggested sources? Also, what exact proportion are you talking about - a few drops, a lot?

A friend want to use incense Christmas Eve, so this thread has been very informative. I've already said that if they put dry ice in the thurible, there will surely be people taken away in ambulances.

A local Coptic Orthodox congregation has incense for the duration of their three-hour service. No demons survive this sort of treatment. The priest does perfect 360's in front of and in back of the altar with an open thurible.

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Interesting, my church had an article in the weekly about incense and the days for 2006 in which it would be used.

Ash Wednesday is listed as one of those days. Is this common? Last year, the clergy brought some of the palms from 2004 Palm Sunday and burned them but there was no thurible.

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Burning some palms blessed the previous year is the proper way to create the ashes for Ash Wednesday, though it's normally done ahead of time (not during the mass). In any case, it wouldn't be done in the thurible, which isn't big enough and shouldn't be subjected to such a messy procedure.

The only things allowed in a thurible are charcoal (to provide the heat) and incense.

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Today at mass, the coals in the thurible were so hot that they burst into flame when the celebrant sprinked on incense at the Introit. "That is only supposed to happen on Pentecost," muttered the deacon as we blew them out....
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Jiminy Cricket! What was your thurifer doing in the sacristy!? The introit is a little early in the service for the thurible to get that hot.

The coals in the thuribles sometimes catch fire at our prayer shack, but only after a long procession with plenty of 360s. They don't ignite during the 360s, since there is too much air forced across the coals. But, once we reach the station we've had to deploy one of the blow-hard sacred monsters to surpress the fire.

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Lamburnite, we are mixing our standard Kingsford charcoal with "all natural" charcoal, which burns much hotter. We have two schools of thought about charcoal (or three, if you count quik-lites). We were using the natural charcoal (without additives) but switched to Kingsford which is all uniformly sized briquets. Picnic season was over before we remembered we should have stocked up for the winter, so we are resorting to the natural charcoal stockpile to get us through till Labor Day or near unto. The natural charcoal comes in largist chunks which we have to chop up to fit in the thurible. A tedious and messy process, hence the switch to Kingsford. But I remembered last night as thurifer at the Great O evensong that they take longer to heat through but stay much hotter and you often get fires, which are not pleasant. Kingsford has some kind of paper additive but it burns quicker and stays warm though not blazing, which is preferable.

As for the rose maroc, it is abit pricey ($36/2ml) but you can make alot of incense for that small amount mixed with a couple gallons of frankincense and optional myrrh. I get it from Enfleurage. Good frankincense is harder to come by as most stores sell second rate stuff. I have a great Somalian connection here in NY but you have to be in the tristate area. I would go to your local Arab spice shop and inquire. [Smile]

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It's major feast time again and so time for the biannual attempt to get our small, very ornate thurible clean.

I note the advice about acetone for the gunk but does anyone have a good suggestion for the brass. Years of old polish and dirt have accumulated in the ornamentation. Last time I was advised to try soaking in citric acid
but this had little effect.

I am thinking of boiling it in washing powder, this has been good for other jobs, including removing paint. Is this a good idea?

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Didn't someone boil one for a few hours a couple of years ago and post back every now and then with progress? I found it rather entertaining.

I think it worked, TBH.

I used to use ethanol for the gunk.

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I soaked ours in soda crystals and then jet washed it in the summer which seemed quite effective. It was very gunked up inside however.
I wouildn't necessarily recommend this. It's not brass and so I don't know what the soda would do to that. Also, the jet washing can damage it if it's delicate.

As far as the outside is concerned, brass cleaners available in hardware shops and elbow grease seems to be the only way.

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If the thurible is made of brass, you can use ordinary paint-stripper! Works like a charm... But be sure to have good ventilation when you do it! Spray, let it burn away at the gunk, then rinse in hot water, dry with paper, then repeat if nescessary.

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Thanks for the suggestions.

I've given it a boil to loosen things up and it looks much better already. The encrusted gung was about 4mm thick!!

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Time to have this on page one again, methinks.
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It's been a while since this thread was active, and, leafing back, I see my question came up. However, it doesn't seem to have been firmly resolved, so I'll ask it again:

My reading of books on liturgy (starting with Fortescue...) leads me to the conclusion that there are two types of swing

Simplex - x1
Duplex - x2.

These are deployed in varying combination according to dignity and circumstance. So, in most places, the congregation is censed with 3x1 (although 3x2 is seen from time to time).
The Sacrament gets 3x2.

Occasionally, one sees or hears of something which ought to be called the Triplex - x3. People say, and it has been written in at least one of the Customaries on the thread on that subject, that the Sacrament (elevated or exposed) is censed with 3x3.

I've never found a reference to the triplex in any book which has footnotes, and is thus not just tat-porn written by people who believe that the MC can wear diamante' buckles and use the Sedia Gestatoria.

So, what is the consensus?

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The censer is swung back and forth three times for the incensation of: the blessed sacrament, a relic of the true cross and images of the Lord solemnly exposed, the gifts on the altar, the altar cross, the Book of the Gospels, the Easter candle, the bishop or presbyter who is celebrant, a representative of the civil authority in official attendance at a liturgical celebration, the choir and people, the body of a deceased person. The censer is swung back and forth twice for the incensation of relics and images of the saints exposed for public veneration. The altar is incensed with a series of single swings... (Ceremonial of Bishops, 92, 93)
Elliot notes that 'these customary rules are slightly different from the former rubrics' (Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite, 218, n.32)

In other words, nowadays if in doubt use three single swings!

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Our crowd incenses the altar cross with three swings and the MBS is incensed with three swings during benediction.

Otherwise the celebrant is incensed with three doubles, as is the MBS and MPB after their words of institution, and the MBS/MPB at the Great Doxology.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clavus:
In other words, nowadays if in doubt use three single swings!

So, no more tic-tac-toe pattern and 2+1 circles over the gifts at the Offertory? [Biased]
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Maybe among the slackers of Clavus's crowd, but among ours the True Ceremony is upheld!

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quote:
Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
Our crowd incenses the altar cross with three swings and the MBS is incensed with three swings during benediction.

Otherwise the celebrant is incensed with three doubles, as is the MBS and MPB after their words of institution, and the MBS/MPB at the Great Doxology.

I take it you mean that the MBS gets 3x3, or do you perhaps mean 3x1? Argh!

Why have the rubrics altered from the "customary" ones, as Elliott calls them above? Nobody ever told all these self-aggrandising MCs to just make up stuff, and in any case I'd always regarded Fortescue as the final seal on what was considered kosher and what was not. In other words, if it's in, it's in, y si no, no.*

Obviously, things get done differently in different places, related to architecture and temperament, but when there are Big Books on liturgy, why these innovations?

Tat-porn, MCs in Sedia Gestatoria, this is where it's all going. And never mind the buckles!

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Archimandrite, my apologies. I thought I was being clear and accurate, but I wasn't. Αt our local prayer shack, after the gifts are incensed with that counter-counter-clockwise-tic-tac-toe thurible-jive, then the altar cross receives three singles. At benediction, the MBS receives three sets of three singles.

You ask why innovation? On a level of principle, if we don't innovate we die and our rite loses its connection to its community and culture.

On a more practical level, we don't follow the books, because we wanted to do a lot of stuff that the people who wrote the books didn't think about. Such as: Bring the gospel into the midst of the people, rather than having it be mumbled northerly, in the direction of the barbarians. [In our case that would be the Canadians, and that wouldn't be very polite.] Such as having one of the lessons, the OT, read by a member of the congregation. Such as having the prayers of the people read by a layperson from among the people. And, so on.

It has been recently pointed out to me that Fortescue (and Ritual Notes, for that matter) has the thurifer exiting the sanctuary immediately after the words of institution over the cup. I had always breezed by that, never noticing that inconguency with our local rite.

But, for our crowd the thurifer hangs around and incenses the gifts as they are elevated at the final doxology. Why might that be? And, why might one want to vary from the practice outlined in the Big Book of Liturgy, whichever one might be pleased to think that is?

It probably has to do with the shifting theology of the eucharist. Most in the West no longer think that the bread and wine 'get zapped' into the Body and Blood at the words "This is my Body/Blood". When we did think that, it made sense for the thurifer--and the torchbearers, which makes the bigger visual statement--to exit, for The Change had happened and the all the celebrant was doing was tying up a few loose ends.

We in the West, catching up with our friends in the East, don't tend to think that now. We tend to think that asking 'when is the moment of transformation' is to be asking the wrong question. We prefer to wait until the final doxology and the Amen of the assembly's assent before we consider the thing accomplished.

So the innovaters, before my time, thought it sensible for the thurifer and torches to remain until that Amen. And, they probably thought that adding three doubles (same as at each of the first two elevations) was apposite to the action and thelogy. Other places ring a bell and incense at the epiclesis, which is another reasonable choice, I suppose.

Oh, and at our place, the MCs pretty much do as bidden. It is the people who insist that great, billowing clouds of incense issue forth from the thurible, and woe betide the thurifer, of whatever age or rank, if there is not a sufficiency at the gospel procession among the people.

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Well I very much am jealous at the those who are lucky enough to have the smoke at their Prayer Shack. My Prayer Shack is so opposed to smoke that when we built a new church and moved someone hid our thurible and even though Father has searched high and low for it (he wants to introduce smoke), it just cannot be found.

I've threatened to make a donation to the church in order to get some smoke going!

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quote:
Originally posted by voxmystica:
To burn incense you need some self lighting charcoal...

Welcome aboard! Don't put yourself in the bad books immediately with talk like this! [Biased]

Many would say that the instant-lighting stuff is vile, causing the "sweet-smelling savour" to go rancid very quickly, and that it's worth the little extra time and effort required to light real charcoal.

As for your question about Rosa Mystica, it stopped being manufactured for a while a few years ago. I've heard tales of monks becoming ill due to the manufactureing process. [Frown] This probably explains the revised formula).
If you must burn incenses of various fragrances, then use them sparingly in a base of frankincense.

Alternatively, and less expensively, frnakincense with some drops of essential oil works well, and it is perfectly possible to get hold of rose essential oil, as well as sweet orange and numerous others suitable for incense.

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Hi, Hand-made Rosa Mystica is still available in the UK from Alton Abbey. (Note: - best to communicate with them by snail mail or fax. The phone is only answered 16:00 - 16:30 and no practicable electronic communication. Yet.) Don't know about sources in US, though.

Yes, they did stop making it for a while, as a number of the monks developed allergies due to the medieval manufacturing techniques used. Last time I looked, there were still stocks in the cupboard, though. I'm hoping one day to introduce them to more modern methods.

It can be very overpowering, but you can blend it with your favourite "normal" incense.

Hope this helps.
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Welcome, voxmystica. Solemn Cocktails, huh? I'll have to remember that for our next Guild meeting. [Big Grin] A former rector looked very dimly at people burning church incense in their homes. And in the Old Testament it was absolutely forbidden. But frankincense and myrrh are such wonderful cleansing fragrances, I admit to using them in (rather expensive) sticks from Maroma. Once in a great while if I've been on vacation and the house smells like a cat barn, or if someone has died down the hall, I will light up some quik lites and burn some of my EXP church blend to quickly purify the air. But you should try to get some Kingsford original (not Matchlite) charcoal briquets. They are making them now with little grill marks which are perfect for burning incense. You have to have a high heat to properly burn incense, which quik lites don't achieve and those ceramic burners even less.

I would recommend getting some good quality frankincense and rose attar and blending your own. For what you'd pay for a box of Rosa Mystica you could make many times as much on your own. Just don't inhale the frankincense dust too much. I've heard from doctors that it's actually rather bad to inhale the dust which is quite resinous, but burning is okay and actually rather expectorant. The monks who used to make RM probably inhaled too much dust and not enough smoke. [Frown]

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Quick note: the OT was really only concerned with people burning a particular kind of incense made to God's special recipe. As long as they stayed away from that "official" kind, no problem.

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My local purveyor of fine religious articles sells Quick-Lite briquettes and small bags of frankincense resin for a reasonable price, so that's what I have at home. (Is that regular Kingsford charcoal, available in any store here in the US, or a special liturgical kind, TSA?)

We tend to use unblended frankincense at St. Spike's for our Solemn occasions. Someone got a little floral at the Epiphany and the deacon walked into the sacristry afterwards saying "It smells like my Italian grandmother!" It was also not well received by the choristers (people who don't usually complain, complained). We could probably do better than that blend by, say, adding essential oils to the frankincense, but so far nobody has taken this sort of project on.

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You can get Kingsford in the US very easily at any place that sells barbecue paraphernalia and grocery stores usually have them even in NYC. Surely they have something similar in the UK? Don't y'all do barbecues also?

Lamb, I think by extension from the OT, any incense I make for use at the altar I would feel wrong about burning at home unless it was for a house mass or other official service. Solemn cocktails? I think not.

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Thanks for the responses. St. Bertolin, I knew I would get in trouble for that statement about the self-lighting charcoal! I am well aware that the stuff is evil. I don't know where you can get the real stuff in the US. I did read that SMV NYC has their own gas burners to heat the real charcoal.

As for not being able to burn incense in the home due to the priest...I find a little odd. I guess if the incense was blessed and then used in the house it may be a different story. Some friends of mine sing Compline and use incense down in the basement during the school year. We put candles all around and it is a welcome relief to the busy school day. He is Lutheran, so we use the Brotherhood Prayer Book. I think it is basically the Liber minus Saints and BVM prayers... [Frown]

There is not an Episcopal (Anglo-Catholic brand) that has a Solemn Mass around here. My best bet is to venture to D.C. to St. Paul's K Street for the feasts days. Which is about 2 hrs. And I usually play the organ on Sundays in Richomd. So, my experience with solid liturgy and incense is rare.

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And one more, would it be worth buying the original Rosa mystica that is stored in little glass jars or buying Alton Abbey? I have a friend going over that said he would bring some back for me. As well as a donation of some Glastonbury to a church in Detroit where my organ teacher plays. What is the difference between the Elmore abbey blends and the Prinknash?

A nice chapter on incense by the Ascension and St. Agnes D.C....all may know of this already

http://www.ascensionandsaintagnes.org/mass/freezeframe/AllFF.pdf

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Hi folks, on a trip to the Orthodox church at Walsingham today I purchased some Gardenia incense and some Rose incense.

I am serving as thurifer at a middle-high Anglican parish next week.

This means I need some advice on how to use the stuff.

Firstly, the church in question only seems to have the quick-light charcoal. This is something I can't avoid. How many coals would I need to use? Which sort of incense should I use? How much do I need to put on?

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mr ricarno I thought maybe some more experienced thurifers would help you out. Some people have said that you could use just plain charcoal. I think it may be a bit of a task to light it. The quik-lite stuff will do I suppose, though many may disagree. Probably only want to use one coal for the mid-high Anglican. You want to light the coal and leave for about 10-15 mins so it turns white/gray. Basically, you want it as hot as the little coal will go (which I think is much less heat than real charcoal) As far as how much you put on, I think the priest does that when the incense is blessed. Wait for the more knowledgeable to answer in-depth questions. If this is the first time your a thurifer you may want to do some studying...such as Ritual Notes. At least I would, hopefully others will have some input. If you are just going to wave some before the service, put a small teaspoon amount of what ever you have...rose sounds good, but usally used for Marian days.

I hope to get a response about the difference between the Prinknash and Elmore Abbey incenses, so I don't end up spending a fortune on something that might not be that good.

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quote:
Originally posted by voxmystica:
I hope to get a response about the difference between the Prinknash and Elmore Abbey incenses, so I don't end up spending a fortune on something that might not be that good.

I don't look for brand names, just "pure frankincense" or "natural frankincense." Smells the churchiest and won't offend nor irritate.
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Do they use pure frankincense at Ascension in Chicago? I went there with a friend for Purification/Presentation/Candlemas and it was lovely. Just across the lake from me at Hope College.

I may try the frankincense with some rose or orange could be nice...

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quote:
Originally posted by voxmystica:
Do they use pure frankincense at Ascension in Chicago? I went there with a friend for Purification/Presentation/Candlemas and it was lovely. Just across the lake from me at Hope College.

I may try the frankincense with some rose or orange could be nice...

Sometimes...but I think I've heard that the various thurifers have their personal blends, so at least some of them use other incenses than pure frankincense. It doesn't seem to get irritating very often. But I've managed to avoid becoming trained as a thurifer, so I could be wrong.

The best of the thurifers manages to smoke up the sanctuary (but not the nave) during the Sanctus with a fog that lingers through much of the Eucharistic Prayer. Quite appropriate, I think.

I shall have to get a closer look at the containers of incense they use and try to report back.

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At my parish we use Frankincense from a local Mid-Eastern Speciality store which sells all foods and such catered to the Mid Eastern Area.

It smells not too sweet, the congregation dont's complain as much and is reasonable at $6.00 per pound.

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quote:
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If you are just going to wave some before the service, put a small teaspoon amount of what ever you have...rose sounds good, but usally used for Marian days.

Thanks, that's the plan. At the church in question there's a clear division of the service into 'word' liturgy and 'sacrament' liturgy, and i'm expected to put the incense on during the 'word' bit, while the priest does the honours in the eucharistic section. The incense in question comes in relatively large grains (about the size of a small piece of gravel), I'm estimating that one grain on each coal will be enough for my purposes.

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mr_ricarno, it would make good sense for you to do a test run.

Figure out what your work space is. How will you hang the thurible, what hooks and so forth are available. Do you have an incense boat and spoon? If not what are you going to use for one? Where are you going to dump the coals once you are done? Handle the thurible until you are used to opening and closing it. Swing it to get the hang of it.

Is there a smoke detector in any part of the building? If there is, on the QT, get an electrician to figure out how to disable it during the mass. Don't forget to re-enable it afterwards. It's best not to involve the local fire department in any part of things as they tend to frown on the disabling of fire protection equipment.

Decide if you need one set of coals or two. Will the coals for the liturgy of the word suffice for the liturgy of the table, too? Or, will you need to dump after the gospel and relight during the sermon.

Figure out what you are going to do if things go badly wrong. Where are the fire extinguishers and are they charged? Do you have a metal dustpan and a small hand broom (I call it a rat-tail broom)? Decide where you will take your dustpan full of dumped coals once you have them swept up. Often this is the best first approach to cleaning up a dumped pot. Do you have a source of water and some way to carry it in case you need to soak the carpet where the coals have landed? Coals can skitter a fair distance. Make sure you have found them all. Where is the phone if you do need to involve the fire department? You are not allowed to permit a smouldering carpet to set the church on fire.

Light a coal, time how long it takes for it to turn grey. Lay on some incense. See how much smoke you get and how long the incense lasts. It is best you do this together with the celebrant so there are no too-much/not-enough recriminations afterwards.

Worship of Almighty God is a awesome thing. Be sure not to let the use of incense make it a fearful one as well. Oh. And be sure to have fun!

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We used some Rosa Mystica from the good monks of Alton this morning. It's not bad and if one looks carefully after Mass the air is certainly faintly tinged pink. But it's jolly expensive and burns very quickly. I don't find it as cloying as others but then I like eating rose creams.

Anything but Prinknash 'Basilica' which is, of course, banned at the Cosmodrome for reason of being disgusting.

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Cooking tongs are useful for handling a hot thurible in order to dump the coals/ashes.
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