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The "deacon" in "cardinal deacon" has as much to do with genu-wine deacons as the "cat" in "cattle" has to do with felines.

Well, not quite, but kind of, IYSWIM.

Have I just confused the matter further?

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quote:
Originally posted by Cyprian:
Various liturgical rites and uses have seen them worn by different people: deacons, subdeacons, crucifers, and thurifers have all worn them liturgically.

Somewhere I have a photo of a very fetching thurifer in a lovely tunicle.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hart:
The "deacon" in "cardinal deacon" has as much to do with genu-wine deacons as the "cat" in "cattle" has to do with felines.

Well, not quite, but kind of, IYSWIM.

Anymore, that is the case, but historically weren't they really, truly deacons of the Diocese of Rome?

The use of dalmatics on Cardinal-Deacons (who are nowadays upper-echelon titular archbishops) is just one of those quaint little RC practices that makes RCism ever so charming. Another one I love is when a priest makes fanciful "dove wings" with his hands when he is praying the epiclesis. (They don't all do this; one must watch closely.) I have yet to see a priest flap those wings into place above the sacred elements, but it wouldn't surprise me if it happens somewhere in the world. [Big Grin]

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Originally posted by Magic Wand:
the current legislation (applicable only to the Ordinary Form) which appears to forbid priests from vesting (and acting) as deacons is arbitrary and inconsistent.

So?

Catholics are bound by their rules, arbitrary or not.

Anglicans need not be bound by these rules, but are of coure free to adapt them insofar as they are not incompatible with their own rites (and of course some Anglicans discard even that caveat. Talk about arbitrary).

I've never understood why Anglo-Catholics either rigidly adhere to rules not their own (see 'we don't do that after Vat II' above) or else carp on about how the rules they are not bound to are uncongenial.

It might remind us of the wisdom of the Prayer Book

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Originally posted by LQ:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyprian:
Various liturgical rites and uses have seen them worn by different people: deacons, subdeacons, crucifers, and thurifers have all worn them liturgically.

Somewhere I have a photo of a very fetching thurifer in a lovely tunicle.

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Bl Percy writes that, in cathedrals and large parish churches, it is 'probably' not without precedent for all servers to wear tunicles. This is so obviously an aside, though, that I don't think it can be taken as a recommendation.

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Ah - that explains why S. Mary Magdalen, Coventry have such a practice. I'd not come across that line! (Not that they're particularly large.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Thurible:
Ah - that explains why S. Mary Magdalen, Coventry have such a practice. I'd not come across that line!

Only on major festivals.

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(Not that they're particularly large.
Not particularly!

Interestingly the servers at Coventry Cathedral also wear tunicles.

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Right. I'd forgotten about Coventry's tunicles. Is that all the time or just on festivals?

Also, to keep this in Coventry for the moment (the birthplace of many fine censers...), is the Sunday Eucharist a three sacred minister jobby? If so, what do they wear? (To keep it on track, is the Gospel always read by an ordained person and do they kiss it?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Thurible:
Right. I'd forgotten about Coventry's tunicles. Is that all the time or just on festivals?

All the time

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Also, to keep this in Coventry for the moment (the birthplace of many fine censers...), is the Sunday Eucharist a three sacred minister jobby?

It is indeed.

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If so, what do they wear?

Chasuble, Dalmaltic and Tunicle. The deacon and subdeacon (if ordained) wear the stoles deaconwise.

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(To keep it on track, is the Gospel always read by an ordained person and do they kiss it?)

Most of the time it is read by someone ordained, but on occasion lay people have read it. Most people don't kiss it, but I would not be surprised the the Precentor did. I have never noticed!

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The only priest at our place who kisses the Book used to be Catholic.
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