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I am continually amazed that in my city where the Catholic Cathedral is named for the Blessed Sacrament that they have no Procession
That is indeed lamentable.
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Max gave us some v interesting hymns and I was interested cos some of them came from Evangelical books he said. Of the praise song kind of song or worship song any others that'd be good for Corpus Christi or Benediction?
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I've wielded most liturgical artefacts in my time in the CofE. One year visiting the Shrine of St Brian I did indeed carry an ombrellino.
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Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?
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Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?
Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation.
The Agnus Dei is not as nice as the one from the Mass of St Timothy.
And the Gospel Acclamation actually makes use of the verse, the Mass of Glory does not.
It's not a worship leader's whimsy, it's a case of tailoring the music at the Eucharist to the community's needs.
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That looks great worship the one from last year Max. So you begin with adoration / Benediction then into Mass. Thats the opposite way round to us, and I guess its like a quieter way too.
I didnt know it could be done like this.
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I've never really found pre-Mass Expo / Benediction to 'work', although I don't doubt that it could. It always seems a bit like playing peek-a-boo with Jesus to me: here he is; now we put him away; now we make some more!
Having a Holy Hour after Mass with a host consecrated at that Mass is great. We do that once a week in my current parish and we also did at last year's placement parish.
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Originally posted by Max.:
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?
Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation.
The Agnus Dei is not as nice as the one from the Mass of St Timothy.
And the Gospel Acclamation actually makes use of the verse, the Mass of Glory does not.
It's not a worship leader's whimsy, it's a case of tailoring the music at the Eucharist to the community's needs.
Max.
Mix-and-match is done with Gregorian settings too. Jubilate Deo has the Kyrie from Mass XVI, the Gloria from Mass VIII, and the Sanctus and Agnus Dei from Mass XVIII. It's not uncommon to hear the Kyrie from the Litany of the Saints used for the Kyrie at Mass, and I know a priest who uses the 'alleluia' from O Filii et Filiae ( Ye Sons and Daughters ) for the Gospel Acclamation.
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Originally posted by Max.:
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Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?
Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation..
Well, you know, there is a perfectly valid alternative to a congregational singalong for that very reason. I'm pretty sure that exactly none of the Mass settings we use at ASMS could be used if we insisted on making the congregation sing them.
Of course, dear Max's Church has an infamous aversion to Latin as well, which limits Mass settings as it is.
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Of course, dear Max's Church has an infamous aversion to Latin as well, which limits Mass settings as it is.
Some individuals within the Church have an aversion to Latin. The Church herself does not (see Jubilate Deo posted above).
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I meant Max's Parish Church, sorry for any confusion.
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Patrick is an Historian by Discipline, IIRC, and thus perhaps prone to idiosyncratick Capitals.
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Any other favourite hymns / songs you'd like at Corpus Christi - guys?
I think there must be at least one or two old favourites like
Sweet sacrament Divine
Soul of my Savior
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Its coming soon.
I wondered if people would like to talk about it - what u do,
when you keep it,
if you keep it at all,
if not why not ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Nothing. It's not even on our calendar.
We don't keep it because of Luther. He found the fanciful processions to be in poor taste. He was also hyper-concerned about outward acts of devotion that are not accompanied by an inner piety. So concerned was he that he was wary about [but definitely not opposed to] the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament.
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In the city where I live, one Anglo-Catholic parish observes Corpus Christi on Thursday, and a second transfers it to Sunday. Thus the more enthusiastic worshippers can participate in two celebrations!
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Originally posted by Patrick the less saintly:
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Originally posted by Max.:
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
Max. is there a reason why you mix-and-match Mass settings, or is it just "worship leader's" whimsy?
Because the Gloria from the Mass of Glory is quite difficult to sing for a congregation..
Well, you know, there is a perfectly valid alternative to a congregational singalong for that very reason. I'm pretty sure that exactly none of the Mass settings we use at ASMS could be used if we insisted on making the congregation sing them.
Of course, dear Max's Church has an infamous aversion to Latin as well, which limits Mass settings as it is.
Choral mass settings can be and often are magnificent, and adorn the liturgy beautifully, in the right place and setting, provided there are forces that can perform them to a high standard.
However, I am far from convinced they should be the "norm" in most places! I think it's about context.
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Oh that's a shame, I was hoping this was a thread about Cincinnati's finest metallic hardcore band.
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Maybe that band could do a Corpus Christi Mass?
So far its mostly trad stuff being described here for Corpus - not that I mind that. But no young girls scattering rose petals so far...
Some more new stuff - alt. worship Corpus Christi would be interesting.
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Some more new stuff - alt. worship Corpus Christi would be interesting.
You ever been to Goth Echarist at Greenbelt?
I know a bunch of guys from Chesterfield that do metal worship and some people in Camden have hardcore punk worship.
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But no young girls scattering rose petals so far...
We have it!
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A mate of mine goes sometimes to St Albans, Holborn. Theyre doin a Mass for Copus Christi with procession but i dont know if its outdoor.
Here is the link.
I cannot speak for the parish procession at St. Alban's Holborn, but the procession there in conjunction with CBS, is certainly outdoor (weather permitting).
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Is there anywhere that has the procession separate from Mass, I've heard it is done - like at that CBS rally, but what about churches - do any do it not afetr Mas - say on the SDunday afternoon or what have you.
Exeter Cathedral is hosting the Diocesan Corpus Christi Festival on the Saturday. The mass is at 11am and then after lunch there is exposition, outdoor procession and Benediction.
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That sounds fab to me. Is it a concelebrated Mass too I'm wondering.
It would be great to hear how it goes.
I've heard some places dont have the procession on the day but in the (non-existent ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ) octave.
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No, it is not a concelebrated Mass so that it can be attended by both those who believe that women can/should be ordained priest and those who don't.
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Hopefully my place will have a procession and Benediction after the principal Masses of the day, as it has in previous years. My diocese observes Corpus Christi on Sunday.
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Gosh Pancho does that mean theres a procession etc after more than one Mass on Corpus Christi Sunday, I wonder if they go outside?
I've heard some places have a procession with a brass or other type of band. All outside with people dressed up. That sounds so cool.
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Corpus Christi outdoor processions almost seem to have disappeared at least up here in Scotland.At one time they would have been common in almost every parish,usually on the Sunday after Corpus Christi and sometimes venturing on to the public streets.
You'll still find them in almost every town in Asutria and Bavaria. In my own town in Austria there is one from the cathedral on Corpus Christi day and one from the parish church on the following Sunday.
In modern times probably Poland provides the largest numbers participating at public processions of the Blessed Sacrament.
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Perhaps some of Forthview's Scots have emigrated to the New World. Last year I participated in a Corpus Christi procession which was accompanied by a piper.
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Its a shame about the outdoor procession. It must ahve been a big feature in loads of places, in fact I think it must have been THE feature of Corpus Christi.
When else was their a procession of the Blessed Sacrament outdoors done with joy and fun like this in the church's year?
Its a good witness going outside of the colour and fun of Catholic churches.
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But Laetare... is it inclusive? Does the tat actually further divide the Churched and the Unchurched?
Is it really a good witness or does it just make high church people look more poncy to the outside world?
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Interestin view max. thanks for it. I'd not thought of it. I agree some of this can be very poncey, mind you some Anglican vicars in their MOTR churches are dead fat and poncey too.
Maybe an outside picnic after Mass on Corpus Christi would work better.
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If good witness is about being popular/fitting in with the world, then Christ must have been an awful witness. He was unpopular and disliked and rejected enough that he was shunned, beaten, and crucified. So to the early Church martyrs (witness). They surely weren't fitting in. I bet the world must have thought them rather strange and odd as well. Strange enough to feed them to the lions/hang/boil in a vat of oil anyway.
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Interestin view max. thanks for it. I'd not thought of it. I agree some of this can be very poncey, mind you some Anglican vicars in their MOTR churches are dead fat and poncey too.
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) I never had you down as a fattist!
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Slightly off topic I know but....
If only I could find a poncey Anglo-Catholic Church that doesn't have women priests but has the sort of music that Max would choose!
Seriously it becomes more and more frustrating to be a charismatic member of Forward in Faith.
Perhaps my church is not that bad. It isn't FinF but has passed Resolutions A and B.
I don't know what we shall be singing for Corpus Christi but I do know what we are doing for Petecost. Not perhaps quite as adventurous as Max would do but not quite New English Hymnal
Music for Pentecost Parish Mass will be:
Holy Spirit, we welcome you, Spirit of the living God, Come Holy Ghost, our souls inspire, Come down O love divine, Breathe on me breath of God and For I'm building a people of power.
Gloria - Mike Anderson (Clap hands)
Sanctus, Benedictus etc - The Gathering Mass
Agnus Dei - Paul Inwood.
Even with all that we do like to be a bit poncey!
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If only I could find a poncey Anglo-Catholic Church that doesn't have women priests but has the sort of music that Max would choose!
I know how you feel. I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.
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Originally posted by Ashworth:
Gloria - Mike Anderson (Clap hands)
For good or ill, I have held the guitar that was used to compose this.
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I don't know what we shall be singing for Corpus Christi but I do know what we are doing for Petecost.
I know it's naughty to make fun of other people's typos, but I couldn't help wondering if that's been established as an official feast in the Willesden Episcopal Area.
(On second thoughts, perhaps the good bishop has launched a chain of discount co-operative minimarkets.)
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I've just spotted on their website that Rochester Cathedral is observing the 'Day of Thanksgiving for the Institution of Holy Communion' on Thursday with a Choral Eucharist at the (for me) rather awkward hour of 5.30pm i.e. in place of the usual Evensong.
At least they're making the effort, though I doubt if there will be a procession of the Most Blessed Sacrament..........
(There might be incense, though..... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )
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[. I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.
I suspect that Pete knows of a few in London. A bit far to commute from Canada maybe.
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We used to be between MOTR And nosebleed high... but I do not recall any Corpus Christi celebrations in my current shack. I suppose there'll be the usual Thursday Eucharist at 0900....
Then again, with the current interim, our cred for anything high has gone down. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Gloria - Mike Anderson (Clap hands)
For good or ill, I have held the guitar that was used to compose this.
Matthew 5:30.
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Is there a special name for the canopy that is used in Corpus Christi processions? And, where does one obtain one?
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U/ombrellino.
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Originally posted by LQ:
I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.
I suspect that Pete knows of a few in London. A bit far to commute from Canada maybe.
They could try St. Paul's, Deptford. Whilst there is no female Priest on the staff, they are inclusive and regularly use Birettas, Maniples and Fiddleback Chasuables at Mass.
The Priest there, Fthr Paul Butler, is a friend and it is where I shall hopefully be fulfilling my Corpus Christi obligation. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Fthr
Typo or new-and-inclusive-usage-to-avoid 'Mr'?
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U/ombrellino.
Thurible
I think the ombrellino is the little brolly and that the canopy is called the baldacchino. Personally, I just call it a canopy.
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I just call it a canopy.
Don't believe you. I think you call it a habec.
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New Yorker, a bedspread mounted on 4 poles will do the trick beautifully.
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