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The ceremonial is also rather old-fashioned, certainly when it comes to the way they do incense.
This is problematic because....?
Good God, I agree with highchurc.
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Originally posted by Laetare:
One view was two thuribles should be used another that only one is needed and more is showy.
One Thurible is quite enough, thank you.
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The last time I was at a Sunday mass there was Mothering Sunday. [...] The giving of posies to mothers was NON politically correct.
Even worse when they give posies to all the adult women, because "the children giving out the posies cannot tell who are the mothers". Very upsetting to those who want children but are unable to have them. Justified by "well, all women contribute to the mothering role" ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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By the way, the afternoon mass and procession is mainly for children - I think they have a weekly children's service at that sort of time.
That sounds a great idea. I suppose its like an after school club. It does seem a great place especially if LGBT friendly as well
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One Thurible is quite enough, thank you.
Hmm. Is that a compliment or not? I'll imagine it is.
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quote:Originally posted by leo:
The last time I was at a Sunday mass there was Mothering Sunday. [...] The giving of posies to mothers was NON politically correct.
Even worse when they give posies to all the adult women, because "the children giving out the posies cannot tell who are the mothers". Very upsetting to those who want children but are unable to have them. Justified by "well, all women contribute to the mothering role" [Roll Eyes]
I've heard that in some countries the women carry posies in the Corpius Christi procession. I also looked up and apparently the York Passion plays were done at Corpus Christi as well so it must have been a big celebration day in those days. What I don't see though is that I thought Corpus Christi was quite a late feast and the Passion Plays of York were very old.
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Corpus Christi became a universal feast in the Latin rite in 1264.
The mystery plasy are also thought to date from the 13th Century I believe.
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Oh I see Stranger, they came about the same time. Thanks for the help on that. It is amazing how much some guys here know and how quickly a popint can be answered ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
On the same thing. I was thinking Mass used to have to be in the morning. So I think on Corpus Christi it must have had to be in the morning and then a procession in the morning. But what about when people were working, like in Protestant countries, it must have been a small procession.
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My Ritual Notes 9 suggests that the "exterior solemnity" of Procession and Benediction was customarily held on the Sunday in the Octave.
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That is interesting LQ. So then Mass would have been on the morning of the Thursday and I guess the Procession and Benediction on the Sunday, in the afternoon. Actually not a bad way of doing it today, perhaps.
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IN 'Catholic' countries the procession was often held in the morning after the principal Mass.It was the custom that girls who had made their first communion would carry baskets of flower petals which would be strewn before the path of the Blessed Sacrament. Two thuribles were often used( as directed also for Holy Thursday) in order that the Blessed sacrament be constantly receiving the homage of incense.
In 'Protestant' countries the procession was generally held on a Sunday afternoon and generally within the grounds of the church in order to comply with the laws of the country which often forbade the public expression of Catholic piety on the streets . Equally this was done in order to protect those taking part from the scorn and derision of others who were going about their lawful business on the public highway.
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Here in Sinny for many years the annual Corpus Christi procession was one of the great Sunday outings ( in the days when there was bugger-all else to do on a Sunday arvo, irrespective one's beliefs or lack thereof). It was held in the gounds of the now-defunct St Patrick's Seminary at Manly ("seven miles form Sydney and a thousand miles from are" as the ferry ads used to go) and for most people involved an ocean-going ferry trip from Circular Quay, as the trip by car would have been circuitous for most prople who lived south of Sydney Harbour. It was held on the Sunday following Corpus Christi, and I managed to go once in 1967 while a boarder at the gulag; the nuns allowed me (probably against their better judgement) to escort a gaggle of 12 and 13 year olds who (like meself) had not been farmed out to their collective rellies for a Sunday out of school. I recall the occasion chiefly as it gave us an excuse to check out sundry milk bars ( where one could get malted milks, ice cream etc) both on the way to and from Manly from genteel Rose Bay), however the Eucharistic pageantry (once we got there) was something to behold, with the late ++Norman Thomas Gilroy in charge of the show, with the Blessed Sacrament under a canopy of Brobdingnagian proportions borne by at least 20 sweating seminarians all in their best lacy cottas and and any number of clergy and religious all starched to the nines in their (soon-to-be-jettisoned) pre-V2 habits. no flower-girls flinging petals there; the Aussie RCC was always sternly Irish Jansenist and took a dim view of such Eyetalian practices as having little gels in fluffy white making a mess with petals and stealing the boys' thunder), and of course every bored Catholic and religious intensity for miles along r=turned up for the procession. I particularly recall an elderly gent who marched along accompanied by a large ginger cat on his shoulder with a puppy under one arm, and who escorted an even older lady wearing a scarlet dressing gown and fluffy slippers who leaned on his free arm.
I can't recall when the Manly procession was finally canned but in recent years ++George Sydneiensis has seen fit to revive it, except ow it wends is way though the Sydney Central Business District from St Pat's Church Hill ( in the Rocks area where it all started) to Sancta Maria non Immaculata.
Somehow the New Order (much sanitised) doesn't quite have the style of the Corpus Christi Procession of earlier and less respectable days; I suspect dressing-gowns and ginger cats would be frowned upon in favour of the likes of the local Opus Dei denizens, the Blue Army of Fatima, the Guild of Catholic Homeschooling Mums and the like. And where has all the tat gone? There used to be enough to keep a bridal salon in business for months....
And no, I won't be there, having been invited to a literary launch of the (very lapsed Catholic) ex-boyfriends' s latest volume of abstruse poetry...the mind boggles.
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We're doing an Anglican compromise at our place.
Thursday Corpus Christi Mass and Benediction, and then, on Sunday, Morning Mass and Outdoor procession of the Blessed Sacrament.
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10a.m. said, BCP-ish with propers from The English Liturgy.
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Originally posted by Thurible:
If the Ascension (kept on Thursday) was anything to go by, it'll be an evening Low Mass.
We're keeping it on Sunday so I'll be able to get to a High Mass. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Our local Polish RC plant will have a CC procession at the conclusion of the 11:00 am Polish-language Mass. The parish priest will process with the Blessed Sacrament to four altars outside, which have been prepared by the Polish School, the parish's Knights of Columbus, its Rosary Society and its Religious Education students.
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Originally posted by Thurible:
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Originally posted by Dal Segno:
One Thurible is quite enough, thank you.
Hmm. Is that a compliment or not? I'll imagine it is.
yes it's a compliment and, to be honest, it was just too good a straight line to miss.
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Our local Anglo-Catholic place, is having a solemn mass thursday evening, and I plan to be there. I'm guessing they'll probably have a procession. I last went Ascension Thursday evening, and for the first time ever I saw the thurifer do 360's, which i had never seen, or, until i discovered Ecclesiantics, ever heard of!
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I've tentatively suggested that we have a Procession after Mass on Sunday, followed by Benediction, but for some odd reason (given that our place is supposed to be quite spiky!) this doesn't seem to have met with any enthusiasm. ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
We are, however, having a Holy Hour and Benediction tomorrow evening (our regular mid-week slot), as it's the Eve of Corpus Christi.
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We are, however, having a Holy Hour and Benediction tomorrow evening (our regular mid-week slot), as it's the Eve of Corpus Christi.
I think some people are a bit unsure of processions if they dont walk too well, I've noticed when we have an outdoor procession quite a few of the elderly stay in even though they may have walked to church.
Its a great idea Bishops F to at least do something for Corpus Christi and a Holy Hour means you can meditate on the Sacrament.
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Last year, I celebrated Corpus Christi at Smokey Mary's (on Sunday btw) and at the end of mass, and before benediction, we all processed with the MBS through the crowds of tourists in Times Square. A memorable occasion!
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I wonder whether those kind of processions go on the sidewalk or on the highway. I've not been to All Ss Mgt Street but I heard they go outside too.
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Does anyone still do rose petals? We did a couple of years but it didn't work very well. Then one year we had children carrying posies of flowers at each side of the priest and it worked well,
but, hmmm, not well enough for us to repeat it.
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Does anyone still do rose petals?
S. Mary Magdalene, Millfield in Sunderland did when I was last there.
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Norwich Cathedral has a bed of fragrant herbs and branches. Never seen rose petals though...
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Originally posted by Wottinger:
Does anyone still do rose petals?
Yep.
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There have, in the past, been rose-petals at ASMS. If there are not any this year, which is by no means certain, it will be the result of the fact that the only child old enough to walk in the parish is a boy of about 11 or 12, who might not be too keen on scattering rose petals.
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If only I could find a poncey Anglo-Catholic Church that doesn't have women priests but has the sort of music that Max would choose!
I know how you feel. I've been looking all over for a parish where I can find High Mass offered by a female priest in a biretta and maniple.
You'd've enjoyed the wedding I was at on Saturday which was a High Nuptial Mass celebrated by a female priest in biretta and maniple. Unfortunately it was a one off event. It was said priest's first experience of celebrating in biretta and maniple because of course most places that go in for such things don't like women priests.
More on topic, I realised yesterday that the Church in Wales in her infinite wisdom have kept St Barnabas on 11th and moved the 'Thanksgiving for Holy Communion' to Friday. This is in fact what should happen given they classify St Barnabas as a class II feast and the Thanksgiving for Holy Communion as a class IV (though actually one might just expect the latter to be lost entirely). It just seems really bizarre because Corpus Christi is a Thursday by definition.* Also, in my classification they are equal whatever the C-in-W says officially.
*Modern habits not-withstanding
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Did she wear the biretta throughout?
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And I get criticised for asking questions about what happens in other churches
Our Corpus Christi procession goes outside around the church grounds a little bit but not into the streets.
I'm not working for the Church Guiness Book of Records but I do wonder who has the record for the longest procession at Corpus Christi, and what route it took. The story of the Time Square one suggests quite a long trip out for Our Lord.
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Hello, I've been reading various discussions for a long time. Now at last I have registered and can comment.
My parish will have High Mass at 6:30 pm on the Feast (Thursday). Then we will process with the Sacrament around the block and back to our garden for Benediction. After that, of course, a lavish reception in the Parish Hall.
Given the reason for this feast being on a Thursday, it doesn't seem right to me to transfer it and lose the link with Maundy Thursday, so I am glad we don't.
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Yes I like that link with Maundy Thursday as well, and its a good point St Helena (and Hi there by the way).
How many yards do you reckon your procession is on Corpus Christi?
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I don't know how long a standard city block is, but we make a square (four-sides) so roughly 4x the length of one block. Not long enough for a prize, I'm sure.
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ASMS takes Our Lord along part of Oxford Street - reclaiming the streets for Jesus!
We had a good Holy Hour and Benediction this evening, using the period of Exposition for the Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary, with a period of silent prayer between each Mystery. As all, of course, know, the Luminous Mysteries conclude with the Institution of the Eucharist, thus segueing nicely into Tantum Ergo, the Corpus Christi Collect and the Divine Praises (unbowdlerised). All very seemly and edifying.
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Originally posted by St. Helena:
Given the reason for this feast being on a Thursday, it doesn't seem right to me to transfer it and lose the link with Maundy Thursday, so I am glad we don't.
I also can see a lot of richness in the link with Maundy Thursday and celebration of Corpus Christi on the day. However, I can imagine that there are numerous reasons, both practical and pastoral, many parishes choose to observe it on Sunday. To me this is one acceptable transfer (unlike Ascension Day or Epiphany)!
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To me this is one acceptable transfer (unlike Ascension Day or Epiphany)!
I agree, Levavi, esp about Ascension and Epiphany.
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And I get criticised for asking questions about what happens in other churches
You do?
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Originally posted by Wottinger:
Does anyone still do rose petals?
We do. Though it looks like it will rain on Corpus Christi this year, so we might be stuck with an indoor procession, sans rose petals. (They'll stain the floors.)
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
ASMS takes Our Lord along part of Oxford Street
Not towards Soho, I hope! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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On the same thing. I was thinking Mass used to have to be in the morning. So I think on Corpus Christi it must have had to be in the morning and then a procession in the morning. But what about when people were working, like in Protestant countries, it must have been a small procession.
I believe many churches used to have very early morning High Masses, 7 am or so, on weekday holy days to accomodate people going to work (in the days when Mass wasn't celebrated after noon). Still, it's hard to imagine a Corpus Christi procession at that hour, so what Liturgy Queen says makes sense.
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To me this is one acceptable transfer (unlike Ascension Day or Epiphany)!
While I value the link between Maundy Thursday and Corpus Christi, I have a very good experience of celebrating Corpus Christi with the parish I visit thereon on the Sunday at the principal Mass. (For some reason, they use "Solemnity" on the rare occasion when they transfer a feast, so "Solemnity of Corpus Christ" for the Sunday in the Octave, "Solemnity of St Mary Magdalene" for the patronal). I'm a lot more hostile towards "Ascension Sunday" for some reason.
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Still, it's hard to imagine a Corpus Christi procession at that hour, so what Liturgy Queen says makes sense.
Blast from the past!
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Originally posted by Levavi:
Still, it's hard to imagine a Corpus Christi procession at that hour, so what Liturgy Queen says makes sense.
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Blast from the past!
Apologies, though it took me a while to figure out what you meant; I am guessing this was your username either around the time I joined the ship or the period before when I was a lurker, so, I understood LQ to refer to this!
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No apology necessary. That is indeed the origin of my username. It was just a nostalgic moment for me.
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No apology necessary. That is indeed the origin of my username. It was just a nostalgic moment for me.
Took you back to before you abbreviated yourself in one of those 'let's get manly!' moments ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Alas I won't be able to make it to Corpus Christi tonight - therefore I plan to have Compline with the Corpus Christi responses and antiphons, Pange Lingua instead of the Te Lucis, a reading from Aquinas and concluded with the Divine Praises.
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I've just returned from the mass for Corpus Christi, then processing around our local streets, and Benediction.
Am a little out of breath, because I play my clarinet for the procession hymns, all five of them, in the hopes of keeping us vaguely in time, and in tune.
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Unfortunately my health has prevented me getting to Mass today, but I gather from facebook that my parents have been experiencing it in Malta. Bit too OTT for my formerly congregational father!
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At Mass in our catholoic church this morning the priest was in red vestments for the Feast of St Barnabas.Instead of the usual 20 or so there were about 40 at the Mass,probably people from Eastern Europe.Thepriest reminded everyone that Corpus Christi is celebrated here on the Sunday but that God would richly bless them for coming to Mass today.
This evening my annual sortie to an Anglo Catholic church for their Corpus Christi celebrations(They can choose when they want to celebrate particular feasts !) The preacher has spent his youth in the Salvation Army and very interestingly compared his childhood marching around in processions singing about the love of Jesus. He (rightly in my opinion) pointed out that this was just the same as the procession of the Host at Corpus Christi.
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Wednesday evening I attended Solemn Vespers of Corpus Christi, with exposition, sermon, procession and benediction. This was at St John the Baptist, Tuebrook Liverpool. Flower girl, strewing rose petals, two thurifers, very long processional hymns, plenty of clergy in birettas (and what fun in the sermon, the preacher managed the word "Jesus" an inordinate number of times - was he teasing the biretta brigade into making as many hat tips as possible?).
What fun - and well over 100 in the congregation.
I believe there were morning and evening masses there today.
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