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magnum mysterium
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Re. Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion: this one.
And the cover of my copy of the Manual of Catholic Devotion is also green.
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Barbara Pym.
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No-one seems yet to have mentioned that most excellent text Anglican Services ("A book concerning ritual and ceremonial in the Church of England by the present author of Ritual Notes and The Order of Divine Service"), published in a single edition (1953) and scarce as hens teeth. I have two copies. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) A truly wonderful and highly opinionated read, including such useful sections as that which details how one celebrates mass if one had one's leg blown off in the war. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) It's a riot, and comes in most handy for entertainment after the third cognac at dinner parties.
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If we're going for the amusing, then it has to be the Directorium Anglicanum, with its comically archaic attempt at eighteenth century typography:
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But if the chalice have dropped upon the altar, the drop muft be fucked up, and the Prieft muft do penance for three days.
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I have the 1969 edition of A Manual of Catholic Devotion with the green cover. I picked it up at a retreat for 50p some years ago!
I also have Andrew Burnham's Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion, but in some ways I prefer the earlier CLA publications.
Another interesting prayer manual is The St Augustine Prayer Book, published for members of ECUSA in the 1950s. A reprint is available from the ACC. I have an original edition purchased on eBay.
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Divine Office. I have the 'Manual of Catholic Devotion' but my (red) copy was printed around 1960/1962 so it doesn't contain 'Holy Communion Series Two' like the 1969 edition. When Andrew Burnham's Manual of Anglo Catholic Devotion came out a few years ago I got a copy but found it rather bulky and somewhat disappointing by comparison with the older books.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
A Bible? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Tubbs
You mean Lectionary
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Originally posted by Tubbs:
A Bible?
Tubbs
Ahh, now I've heard tell of this Bible. Could you tell us a little more about it?
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I'm sure I've heard of the Bible. I think it's a collection of quotations from the Missal, isn't it?
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Originally posted by angloid:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Barbara Pym.
Excellent suggestion.
Also the various writings of E.L. Mascall, most especially Corpus Christi.
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Originally posted by Thurible:
I'm sure I've heard of the Bible. I think it's a collection of quotations from the Missal, isn't it?
Thurible
Ahh, yes. That's the one! I knew I'd come across it somewhere.
I don't know. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) These new-fangled things!
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Good call on Mascall, Erconwald. His Saraband, though it should have been edited better, is a fine autobiography as well.
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George Herbert and Evelyn Underhill. Of the latter, especially The Mystery of Sacrifice and Concerning the Inner Life.
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Robertson Davies' The Cunning Man. (Indeed, all discerning persons should have the works of Canada's Finest.)
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The poems of S.J. Forrest. Examples here.
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After rising from my bed of sickness this morning after a week of ague, I am sickened once more by the appallingly cynical and lowbrow books that are being offered up here.
Everybody knows thatthe only books any self-respecting A/C priest needs are:
Larousse Gastronomique
The Savoy Hotel Cocktail Handbook (1929 edition)
The Diaries of Sir Henry 'Chips' Channon
Bishops at Large - Anson
Church Builders of the Nineteenth Century - Clarke
This is the Mass - Fulton J Sheen
The Commonplace Book of Monsignior Gilbey
Anything by Alice Thomas Ellis, Evelyn Waugh, Simon Raven or Muriel Spark
It's all you need.
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Posted by seasick: quote:
Why do you need a copy of the ASB to be a self-respecting Anglo-Catholic priest?
A copy of the ASB, suitably draped with, say, a redundant chalice veil*, makes an excellent plinth for a statue of the Sacred Heart.
* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.
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Obviously, the one essential book to love and ponder is the Laws of Ecclesiastical Politie.
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No Anglo-Catholic Priest should be without his copy of Michael Reynolds' Martyr of Ritualism (Father Mackonochie of St Alban's, Holborn) It repays annual re-reading.
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What about Essays Catholic and Critical ?
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Seriously, I wouldn't be without -
Newman's 'Parochial and Plain Sermons' (all 8 volumes)
Faber's 'Oxford Apostles'
O'Connell's 'The Celebration of Mass' (3 vols)
Klauser's 'Short History of the Western Liturgy' (very Vatican 2 but otherwise an enjoyable canter through the last couple of millennia).
I'll also see Maniple's copy of Kavanagh's 'Elements of Rite' and raise him Kavanagh's 'On Liturgical Theology'.
'Brideshead Revisited'
The Lucia novels of E.F.Benson
And two Bibles - one Vulgate, one Septuagint.
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Originally posted by angloid over in Purg
Soundings [ed. A R Vidler: Cambridge University Press 1962] -
No? As we're going to include Essays C+C?
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* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.
I'm sure that Sarum Sleuth or Back-to-Front would be pleased to answer this.
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Originally posted by seasick:
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* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.
I'm sure that Sarum Sleuth or Back-to-Front would be pleased to answer this.
Nasty polyester
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Originally posted by Cusanus:
Robertson Davies' The Cunning Man. (Indeed, all discerning persons should have the works of Canada's Finest.)
![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) Another Robertson Davies fan! I love his stuff. My favourite has to be the Salterton Trilogy, especially 'Leaven of Malice'.
Humane Carthlick, having two copies of that book is Just Plain Greedy. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) Where, may I ask, did you acquire those?
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To say nothing of Joyce Coombs' Judgement on Hatcham (Fr Tooth).
And The Chalice & the Sword by Ernest Raymond (Frs Mackonochie & Stanton dramatised - for want of a better word)
And Consecrated Women? by Jonathan Baker (because he could use the royalties and it needs to be read)
And the collected works of Mrs David - starting, naturally, with French Provincial Cookery.
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I'll second Adeodatus on Lucia (not too church-related, but they're surprisingly wise about the dynamics of a small community such as, say, a parish).
And, since I've already introduced a few silly things, I'll add Paris Leary's Innocent Curate to the list. It is particularly hard to come by; not only does it have an early Edward Gorey illustration on the dustjacket, but it includes a damning (and not very well disguised) portrait of a former rector of a parish in upstate New York; said rector has done his best over the years to destroy whatever copies he could find.
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This is the Mass - Fulton J Sheen
I had money on this coming up. Triple points for the context being a Cosmo post!
<scampers off to off-licence, pockets a-jingle>
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Originally posted by Fifi:
To say nothing of Joyce Coombs' Judgement on Hatcham (Fr Tooth).
And her life of Archdeacon Denison:
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To every change a most unflinching foe,
His answer - stereotyped - was always No.
Btw, has anybody mentioned Reed's Glorious Battle ?
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Magnum Mysterium asked re. Anglican Services: quote:
Humane Carthlick, having two copies of that book is Just Plain Greedy. Where, may I ask, did you acquire those?
The first, for $1, in 1994, I think at St Peter's Bookroom in Melbourne. It went walkabout for many years, but was recently returned to its rightful owner, who is very pleased indeed.
By contrast the second copy, acquired last year whilst the first was awol, cost 85 quid at the SPCK bookshop on Tufton st, Westminster. And I don't regret it for a minute - even though the first copy has (miraculously!) reappeared.
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Forgive the double post, but has anyone yet mentioned the works of Father Andrew? ("Our Lady's Hymn", "The Seven Signs of Christ", "The Song of Redeeming Love", etc . . .) Fabulous and pithy AC liturgical devotional works.
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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
And, since I've already introduced a few silly things, I'll add Paris Leary's Innocent Curate to the list. It is particularly hard to come by; not only does it have an early Edward Gorey illustration on the dustjacket, but it includes a damning (and not very well disguised) portrait of a former rector of a parish in upstate New York; said rector has done his best over the years to destroy whatever copies he could find.
I've got the book. I re-read it during my recent malaise. One of my luckier purchases ($10 - read it and weep). Paris Leary looks extraordinarily camp on the backcover, with his cravat and all.
I suppose all A/C priests ought to have a copy of Anglican Papalism - Yelton even if they disapprove. I also think, for light relief, Ceremonial Curiosities - Forse is worthwhile; it's a charming read.
We should also not forget The Rivers of the Flood - Hughes, Loose Canon - ed. Thompson and The Gentleman's Clubs of London - Lejeune.
But these three are optional really.
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Posted by seasick: quote:
Why do you need a copy of the ASB to be a self-respecting Anglo-Catholic priest?
A copy of the ASB, suitably draped with, say, a redundant chalice veil*, makes an excellent plinth for a statue of the Sacred Heart.
* Which begs the question of why there should be such a thing as a redundant chalice veil, obviously.
Surely every church deserves a new one every now and then?
Incidentally, are any of these books permitted to the laity, or are we only allowed to osculate the cover as Father* passes?
* or Mother, obviously ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
And, since I've already introduced a few silly things, I'll add Paris Leary's Innocent Curate to the list. It is particularly hard to come by; not only does it have an early Edward Gorey illustration on the dustjacket, but it includes a damning (and not very well disguised) portrait of a former rector of a parish in upstate New York; said rector has done his best over the years to destroy whatever copies he could find.
I thought of adding this one, too, Lamburnite. Said rector (long-retired) was just buried from his old parish church last Saturday, with many former curates in attendance. Alas, no stigmata in sight!
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James-Charles Noonan, Jr: The Church Visible - The Ceremonal Life and Protocol of the Roman Catholic Church (Viking, 1996)
if you can find it and afford it!
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and, on the other hand,
Walter Walsh, The Secret History of the Oxford Movement (various editions, 1890s) - a protestant diatribe which gives interesting facts and figures, by the author of the tuppenny leaflet The Secret Work of the Ritualists in the Protestant Church of England - a Startling Exposure (of the SSC, CBS, GAS, CU), etc. etc.
And, even more fun, this booklet:
J.C. Wilcox, Contending for the Faith: the authentic history of the life and martyrdom (sic) of John Kensit and the work that he founded (Protestant Truth Society, no date but still reprinted by them in the 1980s at least)
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Originally posted by Crotalus:
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Originally posted by Fifi:
To say nothing of Joyce Coombs' Judgement on Hatcham (Fr Tooth).
And her life of Archdeacon Denison:
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To every change a most unflinching foe,
His answer - stereotyped - was always No.
Btw, has anybody mentioned Reed's Glorious Battle ?
Yes, Glorious Battle is a remarkable study, albeit from a distinctly non- A/C point of view.
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How did we get this far without anything by Lancelot Andrewes, usually Manual of Private Devotions?
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Originally posted by Henry Troup:
How did we get this far without anything by Lancelot Andrewes, usually Manual of Private Devotions?
Yes -- in the original Greek if possible.
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Cosmo said:
I also think, for light relief, Ceremonial Curiosities - Forse is worthwhile; it's a charming read.
I picked a copy of this up recently after having chanced upon it in a sale of second-hand books and I do find it amusing.
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Originally posted by humane catholic:
The first, for $1, in 1994, I think at St Peter's Bookroom in Melbourne.
I shouldn't be surprised that there's never anything good left amongst the second hand books at St Peter's Bookroom when I visit!
I have a biography of Father Andrew, SSC, but none of his writings. Will keep eyes peeled.
I should also recommend to any Australian Anglo-Carthlick that they have a copy of John Hope of Christ Church: a Sydney Church Era. My copy comes from the estate of a deceased bishop, so it's extra holy.
I've also recently acquired a biography (I ought to say hagiography) of George Merrick Long, one time Bishop of Newcastle, written by W.A. Hardie, a former Dean of Newcastle.
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
After rising from my bed of sickness this morning after a week of ague, I am sickened once more by the appallingly cynical and lowbrow books that are being offered up here.
Everybody knows thatthe only books any self-respecting A/C priest needs are:
Larousse Gastronomique
The Savoy Hotel Cocktail Handbook (1929 edition)
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It's all you need.
Cosmo
Thank God he's back. I don't know how I made it through the week without our our Turbulent Little Father Cosmo™!
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And, of course, no one should be without his copy of J.G. Lockhart's life of Cosmo.
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Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?
Probably because the two are practically the same thing anyway.
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Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?
No Anglo-Catholic priest worth his/her salt would make the elementary mistake of worrying about what the laity think, surely?
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Zach82 said:
Do Anglo-Catholics realize that the laity can't tell the difference between a priest executing an obscure liturgy with archaic wording and precise ceremony and a priest muttering some fluff from the 1979 Book of Common Prayer while making the sign of the cross lots of times?
Speak for yourself! I am sure that a number of regular lay members of this esteemed board would be able to tell the difference, and, indeed, dissect it at great and edifying length.
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Burbling Psalmist, it's not fashionable any longer to call the laity muggles.
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Since when have A/Cs been worried about what's fashionable? Fashionable in the 1840s, or the 1920s, yes, but now?
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