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I'd highly recommend "The Congregation in Church" published by Mowbrays, my edition is 1912, but it's clearly much earlier. It's subtitled A Plain Guide to a reverent and intelligent participation in the Public Services of Holy Church.
On the cover are the charming words - "Ask for the Old Paths and Walk Therein".
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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
I'd highly recommend "The Congregation in Church" published by Mowbrays, my edition is 1912, but it's clearly much earlier. It's subtitled A Plain Guide to a reverent and intelligent participation in the Public Services of Holy Church.
On the cover are the charming words - "Ask for the Old Paths and Walk Therein".
Yes indeed; an excellent book. I occasionally use the motto as my sig. (when not trying to wrest shipmates of their hard-earned cash with my tempting book offers, of course.) "Ceremonies of Holy Church" by Irene Caudwell is another good one along similar lines.
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The Silent Acolyte
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Many thanks to you, Gentle Duffie and Maniple. I have picked up Merrily On High to be my mindless reading during exams and find myself laughing out loud at least once on every single page.
It is a gentle, sweet delight.
Many thanks!
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To return to the initial question about books containing the rite itself rather than elucidating the rubrics, there is always The People's Anglican Missal, originally published by the Society of SS. Peter and Paul. My copy is the American edition, published by the Frank Gavin Liturgical Foundation, but I recently purchased a gift copy through the web site of one of the "continuing" churches.
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The Silent Acolyte
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By way of bumping this thread, may I ask how Nancepean is pronounced? It is the name of the Cornish village in which, I presume, the Rev. Mark Lidderdale will soon apostasize from the CoE.
I'm having a delightful time with A Parson's Progress and Heavenly Ladder. However, The Altar Steps has proved harder to find.
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The Ritual Reason Why by Charles Walker.
Makes a tat queen's heart go pit-a-pat, and provides a lifetime of interesting tid-bits to throw into sermons.
Wish I had one. If anyone does, please scan and send, or photocopy and post. It's not that long. Would love to have one. Read it once a few years ago. The priest who had it will forever fill an emptyness, because amidst all the borrowings, it never came back. He's on Maewo now. He won't find another copy there, I assure you.
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The Ritual Reason Why by Charles Walker.
Makes a tat queen's heart go pit-a-pat, and provides a lifetime of interesting tid-bits to throw into sermons.
Wish I had one. If anyone does, please scan and send, or photocopy and post. It's not that long. Would love to have one. Read it once a few years ago. The priest who had it will forever fill an emptyness, because amidst all the borrowings, it never came back. He's on Maewo now. He won't find another copy there, I assure you.
This resource might help.
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The Silent Acolyte
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Originally posted by Mama Thomas:
The Ritual Reason Why by Charles Walker...[m]akes a tat queen's heart go pit-a-pat, and provides a lifetime of interesting tid-bits to throw into sermons.
A goodly number of those tid-bits are likely to be wrong, retrojecting an allegorical reason onto something that developed for practical reasons or just like topsy.
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Has Fr. Sullivan's EXTERNALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH been mentioned yet?
http://tinyurl.com/39cnwj
Also, Cardinal Villeneuve's INTRODUCTION TO THE LITURGICAL YEAR is very instructive. A biretta tip to the gentleman who introduced both of them to me.
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Originally posted by lukacs:
Has Fr. Sullivan's EXTERNALS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH been mentioned yet?
http://tinyurl.com/39cnwj
I picked up a copy recently; I think I am going to enjoy it, although mine is a school edition, and so I wonder if it might not be slightly simplified as compared to the original.
I also greatly enjoyed spending the past couple of days perusing the Warham Guild Handbook - Historical and Descriptive Notes on 'Ornaments of the Church and of the Ministers Thereof.' Apart from the handsome illustrations of Warham Guild work in the "english Use" idiom, it is also a useful glossary and interesting respository of advice on vestments and church furnishings. Additionally, the spirit of Percy Dearmer breathes forth from every page, for good or for ill; including (I noted) his odd and slightly risible aversion to trousers as a mode of dress for men. (It was in a discussion of the cassock I believe, in case anyone was wondering.) Taken with a pinch of salt, it coudl be an interesting resource for someone trying to furnish and arrange their church in an "English Use" style.
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Can I just do a quick boast? In attempting to learn more of the catholic (small c) side of the church I ordered a copy of Ronnie Knox's translation of the Roman Missal from Abe for £15. When it arrived this week it had notes all the way through it. The writer of the notes had his name inscribed on the flyleaf - J B O'Connell.
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Good lord, man. You found the Grail. You could flip that for a lot of money, but I imagine you will hold on to it and it is well that you do.
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It may be of interest to know that Gage Books' new worship catalogue has just been released.
I am currently working my way through E.M. Almedingen's biography of Dom Bernard Clements, priest, Anglican Benedictine, preacher, Vicar of All Saint's Margaret Street, etc. It is very enjoyable, even if the language is a little overcooked. Also looking forward to receiving a copy of "Catholic Prayers for Church of England People" shortly!
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I got the 1936 edition of Catholic Prayers for Church of England People last year. It's a nice, handy pocket-sized volume.
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What sort of prayers are found therein? Is it an office book with devotions like the MANUAL OF CATHOLIC DEVOTION?
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If you want some comic relief, try finding "Organo Pleno", by Gordon Reynolds, pub. Novello, 1970. Its a small (48 pg) book about Organist/Choirmasters and their plight. Starts with a dictionary of terms- for example:
Boys: unsatisfactory alternatives to girls
And a few pages later-
Girls: unsatisfactory alternatives to boys
Hymnals: books of hymns, sensitive to the pull of gravity at solemn moments
It is very funny, especially to musicos, but clergy might find it enlightening too.
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Originally posted by Divine Office:
I got the 1936 edition of Catholic Prayers for Church of England People last year. It's a nice, handy pocket-sized volume.
It doesn't really have the Office in it in the same way as the Manual, but has all the Litanies, Devotions, Acts and whatnot that one could ask for. On reflection, yes, it is a successor to the Canon TT Carter, Manual of Catholic Devotion type of book.
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Mama Thomas
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:This resource might help.
Thanks, Manipled! Am downloading as I type.
PS To TSA: Of course it's "wrong" HISTORICALLY, but O WHAT FUN!
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Just obtained a copy of the revised 1960 edition of The Priest's Book of Private Devotion.
It makes an interesting comparison with the earlier edition of 1929 which I also have. By 1960, the Latin devotions had been removed from the book. Perhaps traditional Anglo-Papalism was in decline by then!
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There is currently a copy of the 1960 edition of Fr GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion for sale on eBay. Check under Anglo-Catholic.
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I was sorting through my books the other day, in preparation for moving from one house to another, when I happened across a copy of Catholic Prayers for Church of England People which I didn't know I had. (The wonders of elderly clergy giving you lots of things.) It has the collects, epistles and gospels in the back, too. It's rather nice and I was pleased it has lots of good stuff in. However, I soon noticed that it was falling apart. "Would it be worth having it re-bound, I wonder?" So I looked to see how much a copy of such a book would cost and saw I could get one for about £20. "Hmmmm," I thought, "let's check out how much it would cost to get it re-bound." Before I managed to get to the binders, though, I came across another copy of the said book that I didn't know I owned, this one without the BCP extras, but not in need of re-binding.
Fun, hey?
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Oh, and I also discovered that I have a copy of the Priest's Book of Private Devotion! The cover's fallen off but it's still there.
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Has anyone seen a copy of a 1662 or deposited 1928 BCP with the 1922 Revised Lectionary office lessons appended, for sale online recently? (There is one up for bid on eBay called the DAILY SERVICE BOOK but the seller and I have declared each other anathema.) Any leads would be greatly appreciated--
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I have one of those too...
Perhaps I should get into this book-selling business.
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I meant a Daily Service Book, but I have a Parson's Handbook too.
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Picked up in a second-hand booksellers yesterday: Meditations for every day in the year by Bishop [Richard]Challoner, in a pocket edition printed on India paper by the Society of SS Peter & Paul, 1915.
The readings are "collected from the Word of God and the writings of the servants and saints of God", but are all paraphrased by Bishop Challoner.
It doesn't seem to be very common, particularly in this edition. Anyone else come across it?
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I've heard of the "Medidations" book but never seen it; as a product of the SSPP it should be elegantly produced and highly collectable. I have a Pilgrim's Manual of theirs and a Missal, both handsome articles.
Whilst I remember, any shipmates in visiting distance of Chester might like to drop in to the SPCK, which has two rooms stacked floor to ceiling with secondhand books, all at half price, including an altar size English Missal and small altar size Anglican Missal (both now £125 each), plus numerous lesser priced goodies. I bought 17 books whilst I was there for an outlay of about £25, including Dom Gregory Dix's "A Detection of Aumbries", Lowther Clarke's "The Prayer Book of 1928 reconsidered", Horsfield & Riley's "This Our Sacrifice" in hardback, and numerous others.
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Manipled mutineer wrote:
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Whilst I remember, any shipmates in visiting distance of Chester might like to drop in to the SPCK, which has two rooms stacked floor to ceiling with secondhand books, all at half price,
Well, that's my spare cash gone this coming weekend then ...
Thanks for the tip!
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Manipled mutineer wrote:
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Whilst I remember, any shipmates in visiting distance of Chester might like to drop in to the SPCK, which has two rooms stacked floor to ceiling with secondhand books, all at half price,
Well, that's my spare cash gone this coming weekend then ...
Thanks for the tip!
You are welcome! I heard from the staff there that the instruction had come down from on high that SPCK was to cease selling secondhand books. Although matters have gone quiet since then, I understand that they aren't doing any more buying, so it may be worth paying a visit to benefit from some bargains if, as I suspect, they are running down their stocks. York also has a good selection, if I remember rightly.
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Loads of second-hand and remaindered books in Westminster SPCK today. Not all exactly cheap either.
Had I seen a Parson's Handbook I would have remembered you all and bought it ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Well, if I could have afforded it that is.
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Originally posted by ken:
Loads of second-hand and remaindered books in Westminster SPCK today. Not all exactly cheap either.
Had I seen a Parson's Handbook I would have remembered you all and bought it Well, if I could have afforded it that is.
Ah, well, I believe that Tufton Street is where all the good stuff goes! (Although I note that the website is not functioning, at least for me, which leads me to wonder whether this aspect of their operations is being wound-down as well.)
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Originally posted by leo:
Yes. Bristol SPCK sold off all its secondhand books - I got many bargains for £1 each.
I think Cardiff may be doing the same. But no-one is to go there except me.
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
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Originally posted by leo:
Yes. Bristol SPCK sold off all its secondhand books - I got many bargains for £1 each.
I think Cardiff may be doing the same. But no-one is to go there except me.
[clears throat suspiciously]
I think I can beat him to it if I leave now, having youth on my side.
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I did.
Incidentally, has anyone heard of "The Little Missal for the Laity - Compiled from authorised sources by a committee of laymen, the translation of the canon being that of Bishop Miles Coverdale", a Faith Press production? I recently acquired a copy but have never heard of it before.
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Due to a very welcome hint by another member of this forum, I have recently obtained a copy of An Abridged Anglican Missal published by the Society of SS Peter and Paul in the early 1930s.
I already have a couple of editions of The Shorter Anglican Missal from the same period. In all three books the secret prayer before communion is not given in the propers of the masses.
I also have a copy of This Our Sacrifice,which contains pictures of a low Mass using the Anglican Missal. In this book, the celebrant is depicted using the BCP Prayer for the Church Militant rather than the Roman secret before the canon.
Was this standard practice with the Anglican Missal, and why the secrets were not printed, at any rate in the pew editions? I haven't yet seen an altar edition.
Interestingly, in the APA reprint of The People's Anglican Missal in the American Edition which I also have, all the secrets are definitely given, as was the case with The English Missal.
Can anyone expand on this?
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Anyone have any hints for scoring a copy of the 1662 or deposited 1928 BCP with the full Lessons from the The Revised Tables of Lessons of 1922 appended?
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A Baskerville Book of Common Prayer (preferably in the original eighteenth century binding) is an essential to any Anglican clergyman's library (high or low).
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I've just managed to secure a copy of the 1963 edition of Lamburn's Anglican Services for a handsome price!!!
Also hoping to receive a copy of the final edition of Peter Anson's Call of the Cloister.
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DO - A very worthy purchase. ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) Especially if you didn't pay terribly much. . . . ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) Were it not for the fact that my entire library is now in boxes I would recommend some of the more entertaining pages.
A VERY great shame if SPCK should stop all its second-hand trade. I've had some fun at the Tufton st shop over the years (including, incidentally, a copy of Anglican Services at premium rates). Alas Chester, even once I relocate from the Antipodes to Oxford in a couple of weeks, is perhaps a little far to travel just for random bibliophilic purposes.
Then again . . .
(But then again again, now that it's on this thread there's ___-all chance of anything interesting being left in two weeks' time.
Ah well . . .
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Btw, MM - I'm not sure I'd describe anything by Lowther Clarke as essential reading for the Anglo-Catholic clergy-person. Clarke was many thing, but he weren't no A-C.
HC.
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Originally posted by humane catholic:
Btw, MM - I'm not sure I'd describe anything by Lowther Clarke as essential reading for the Anglo-Catholic clergy-person. Clarke was many thing, but he weren't no A-C.
HC.
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Interesting - from reading "Liturgy and Worship" and the "Prayer Book of 1928 Reconsidered" I would have said his direction of approach was A-C, but then I'm not one...
I had quite a successful browse yesterday at Hay, unearthing the following:
Ritual Notes (10th edition, thus making two copies, of which RpM has first dibs on one)
Anglo-Catholics - What They Believe (SSPP)
The Oxford Movement (Wilfrid Ward)
Pro Vita Monastica: An Essay in Defence of The Contemplative Virtues by Henry Dwight Sidgwick (very handsome printing)
The Hymnal Companion to the Book of Common Prayer and
Christian Worship: its origin and evolution: a study of the Latin liturgy up to the time of Charlemagne (Duchesne)
plus some Papist stuff in which I am sure no-one will be interested, but see my sig...
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plus some Papist stuff in which I am sure no-one will be interested, but see my sig...
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DEFINITELY the sort of thing any self-respecting etc . . . My own (full set of all three volumes) has archi-episcopal signatures, acquired for a song at a very superior second-hand book sale in Adelaide some years ago (where I also purchased Colin Stevenson's "Merrily on high" for $AUD1 ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.
Unguarded Hours, as noted elsewhere, made me want to go to Staggers. ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) Kindly Light, IMO, wasn't as good.
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Thought of another:
The Haggerston Catechism, by H.A. Wilson.
This work was published in several small paperback volumes. It describes the successful curriculum and teaching methods that a great vicar of S. Augustine's, Haggerston used for his children's confirmation classes. This is/was an inner-city Anglo-Catholic parish in London.
Maddeningly, I managed to pick up volumes 1 and 3-6, for free no less, but volume 2 was mysteriously AWOL.
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Originally posted by Lamburnite:
A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.
Unguarded Hours, as noted elsewhere, made me want to go to Staggers.
Which, my dear, is exactly why I suggested you shouldn't. It made me very glad that things have changed!
I found it one of the most depressing books I've ever read - not least because a friend of mine whose father went to interview at Staggers in the 70s said it really wasn't all that different.
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