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I have an odd volume of the Haggerston Catechism but, as it was sourced from a bookseller in New Zealand, I assume that it isn't an orphan from your set!
HC - I too like the Hours of the Divine Office very much - although not a cleric I have a full set for personal use which travels to and from the office with me every day. The odd volume below (being in better condition) was intended to replace one of these but, on reflection, I've decided to keep the set at is.
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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
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A.N. Wilson's Unguarded Hours is wonderful, if very difficult to obtain. I'm waiting to borrow a copy of his Kindly Light -- we'll see if that deserves to be on the list.
Unguarded Hours, as noted elsewhere, made me want to go to Staggers. ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif)
Which, my dear, is exactly why I suggested you shouldn't. It made me very glad that things have changed!
I found it one of the most depressing books I've ever read - not least because a friend of mine whose father went to interview at Staggers in the 70s said it really wasn't all that different.
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I found it funny and depressing at the same time. The vice-principal IRL became my vicar and was annoyed at being portrayed as having dirty fingernails. IRL he is fastidious about personal hygene.
Staggers has not changed as much as some people think - I gather they still assign women's names to new students - I find this practice offensive and demeaning to women.
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Staggers has not changed as much as some people think - I gather they still assign women's names to new students - I find this practice offensive and demeaning to women.
I am quite convinced that it has changed an huge amount from the 70s. I say this with a reasonable amount of authority.
I find the practice of assigning women's names utterly and completely ridiculous, rather than anything else. Good job it's not done.
That's not to say that some seminarians think that names can be assigned but when, say, 3 members of the community try and assign names to the twelve members of the first year who, to the (wo)man, tell them not to be ridiculous, it simply doesn't take!
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I say this with a reasonable amount of authority.
I didn't register how pompous that sounds until the edit time had elapsed. Sorry about that. I simply mean that I know the place, as it is, rather well.
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My copy of Lamburn's Anglican Services published by Knott and Sons arrived today. It is the 1963 edition and is in virtually mint condition.
It is a fascinating read; it is not unlike Ritual Notes, but is focused more directly on obeying the letter of the BCP. Unlike The Parson's Handbook, however, it is orientated towards Western usage as it was at the time of publication.
I wonder if PD is familiar with this work? I suspect he would find it a valuable resource.
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I feel sadly driven to resurrect this thread to note that today by post I received:
"Altar Book containing the Order of Holy Communion According to the Use of the Church of England with Additions from the Sarum Missal edited by a committee of Priests" (2nd edition, Rivingtons, 1914)
"The English Missal for the Laity" (1933, Knott, formerly the - very well used - property of someone at Staggers*)
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"The Bishop in Church" (Sir Patrick Ferguson-Davie, Church Union/SPCK, 1961, an Anglican manual of episcopal ceremonies prepared from the Caeremonial Episcoporum at the behest of the Bishop of Exeter by his Honorary Chaplain)
*St Stephen's House, Oxford, an Anglican theological college of Anglo-Catholic bent
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Just received my copy of the second revised edition of Peter Anson's The Call of the Cloister a few minutes ago. It looks like a fantastic work and a must-have for any Anglo-Catholic layman or priest (or, indeed, Roman Catholic.....!!!)
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Today I picked up something called Shorter Christian Prayer and a copy of -Ebbsfleet's Pocket Manual. Any words of wisdom?
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Shorter Christian Prayer? Is that a mini-Breviary (as in the contemporary Catholic Divine Office)?
+Andrew's book's a very useful resource; the Breviary's a very useful office book. Put the two together and you've got all you need (apart from a Bible and an hymnal).
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Neither seems to have much in the way of readings. Shorter Christian Prayer does provide hymns. It appears to be Lauds, Vespers, and Compline from LOTH.
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Right. Yes, the main scriptural readings in the Catholic Office are, predictably (and as I'm sure you know), at the Office of Readings.
If you're not a daily Eucharist-attender, +Andrew's book has the eucharistic lectionary in which you can use for the office.
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Originally posted by Divine Office:
My copy of Lamburn's Anglican Services published by Knott and Sons arrived today. It is the 1963 edition and is in virtually mint condition.
It is a fascinating read; it is not unlike Ritual Notes, but is focused more directly on obeying the letter of the BCP. Unlike The Parson's Handbook, however, it is orientated towards Western usage as it was at the time of publication.
I wonder if PD is familiar with this work? I suspect he would find it a valuable resource.
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What feels like many years ago I had a copy of Lamburn's "Anglican Services" but some bugger borrowed it and never returned it. I actually rather liked it - Western Use but BCP orientated is right up my street.
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Shorter Christian Prayer? Is that a mini-Breviary (as in the contemporary Catholic Divine Office)?
That's my understanding of what it is.
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If you're not a daily Eucharist-attender, +Andrew's book has the eucharistic lectionary in which you can use for the office.
Must be in the non-Pocket edition...
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Today brought the unexpected treat of a gift from a friend in training - a copy of Liturgical Services - Liturgies and Occasional Forms of Prayer set forth in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth (William Keatinge Clay for the Parker Society, 1847), which was due to be binned. I'm most pleased. It contains the whole of the 1559 book, the 1560 Latin translation of the same and a huge selection of litanies and forms of prayer.
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Forgive me if this has been addressed already. But I want to buy a Sarum Missal in English. And to my surprise, Amazon of all places has a 2004 translation from Pearson. Does anyone know if it's good? Or are there better translations readily available?
I was resurrecting this thread to share my glee at receiving a copy of the Baronius Press' 1962 Daily Roman Missal - Summorum Pontificum edition - for Christmas but since I see this question is still outstanding, I'll do my best to sketch an answer - hopefully S. Bertelin or someone who actually owns a copy will chime-in and correct me if I go wrong.
As I understand it, the first generally available publication of the Sarum Missal was that produced by forbes/Dickinson in 1861, the Missale ad Usum Insignis Ecclesie Sarum generally known as the Burntisland Missal (after its place of publication?) This was entirely in Latin, and was translated into English by A. Harford Pearson in 1868, under the title of The Sarum Missal in English. It is this version, in a reprinted edition, which is available via Amazon. There's a review of it here.
It was then followed in 1911 by a revised translation by F.E. Warren, which I think drew heavily on Pearson, and was published in two volumes by the De la More Press for the Library of Liturgiology and Ecclesiology for English Readers also under the title The Sarum Missal in English. From this you might infer that the latter is slightly better, but the only comparison I've read suggests that the differences are of little significance.
At around the same time as the Warren translation, an abbreviated version of the Missal "done into English and Abridged" was released, under the title The Sarum Missal: Missale Ad Usum Insignis Et Praeclarae Ecclesiae Sarum. It was published anonymously but something makes me associate it with Herbert George Morse, author of the rather charming Sarum-influenced "Notes on Ceremonial according to the Antient English Office Books." It's basic but sufficient.
Of these, the first two are still available, the Pearson from Wipf & Stock/Kessinger Publications (as you've noticed) whilst the Warren is an expensive made-to-order reprint (Ł75+ per volume.) The abridged Missal was reprinted in the 1990s by Curzon and others but is now out of print. It is fairly readily available through the used book services although patience and/or luck will be required to get a copy for under Ł30.
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I just got a second copy of the American edition of THIS OUR SACRIFICE by Frs. Horsfield and Riley, which offers an illustrated guide to the celebration of an Anglican Missal Mass largely according to the rubrics set forth in RITUAL NOTES. My first copy, sold to me by a gentleman well known and highly regarded in these parts, seems to have been permanently borrowed by a local priest. I cannot recommend it highly enough; I also recommend buying it quickly if it appears for sale, as it is scarce and highly sought after.
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Not precisely a devotional work but one which will doubtless include much useful 'food for thought' - the Autobiography of the Bl. Conrad Noel, picked up for Ł2.50 in SPCK this morning.
Has a colour plate of a very satisfactory-looking procession around Thaxted church at the beginning, which is a good start ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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I read the first couple of chapters when waiting for someone at the library once: it's rather jolly.
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Not precisely a devotional work but one which will doubtless include much useful 'food for thought' - the Autobiography of the Bl. Conrad Noel, picked up for Ł2.50 in SPCK this morning.
Has a colour plate of a very satisfactory-looking procession around Thaxted church at the beginning, which is a good start
It is a good read. A related work which I haven't been able to find for years is 'Conrad Noel and the Thaxted Movement' by Reg Groves: it looked as if it was produced in someone's back room on a very early word processor, but is fascinating. I borrowed a copy from my local library in Merseyside many years ago, but when I checked a few years later it had disappeared from the shelves (and the catalogue).
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Thank you, MM.
From the review you linked, the Pearson reprint sounds like a must buy. So I must buy it!
On a related note, please all cross your fingers that my copy of the 2-volume Warren Sarum Missal arrives safely...
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It is a good read. A related work which I haven't been able to find for years is 'Conrad Noel and the Thaxted Movement' by Reg Groves: it looked as if it was produced in someone's back room on a very early word processor, but is fascinating. I borrowed a copy from my local library in Merseyside many years ago, but when I checked a few years later it had disappeared from the shelves (and the catalogue.
Essex Libraries hold copies not all available for loan. That link gives you the ISBN number should you want it.
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
Not precisely a devotional work but one which will doubtless include much useful 'food for thought' - the Autobiography of the Bl. Conrad Noel, picked up for Ł2.50 in SPCK this morning.
Has a colour plate of a very satisfactory-looking procession around Thaxted church at the beginning, which is a good start
I'd second that.
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Someone buy this before the urge for me to do so becomes uncontrollable... (It's the Marquess of Bute's four volume English translation of the Roman Breviary, in case anyone is wondering.)
I think someone set up a Lulu reprint for this as well.
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Someone buy this before the urge for me to do so becomes uncontrollable... (It's the Marquess of Bute's four volume English translation of the Roman Breviary, in case anyone is wondering.)
I think someone set up a Lulu reprint for this as well.
Yes, here it is: http://tinyurl.com/33oaot
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You'd have to be a glutton for punishment to use that for your office on a regular basis. It is a translation of the early seventeenth century revision of the Tridentine Breviary which makes it much longer than the Anglican Breviary whih is based on the Pio X Breviary of 1913.
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You'd have to be a glutton for punishment to use that for your office on a regular basis. It is a translation of the early seventeenth century revision of the Tridentine Breviary which makes it much longer than the Anglican Breviary whih is based on the Pio X Breviary of 1913.
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One day I may try - when I get the odd volume that I do own back! (I see someone has snapped-up the original set.)
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Originally posted by St. Punk the Pious:
Forgive me if this has been addressed already. But I want to buy a Sarum Missal in English. And to my surprise, Amazon of all places has a 2004 translation from Pearson. Does anyone know if it's good? Or are there better translations readily available?
At around the same time as the Warren translation, an abbreviated version of the Missal "done into English and Abridged" was released, under the title The Sarum Missal: Missale Ad Usum Insignis Et Praeclarae Ecclesiae Sarum. It was published anonymously but something makes me associate it with Herbert George Morse, author of the rather charming Sarum-influenced "Notes on Ceremonial according to the Antient English Office Books." It's basic but sufficient.
...The abridged Missal was reprinted in the 1990s by Curzon and others but is now out of print. It is fairly readily available through the used book services although patience and/or luck will be required to get a copy for under Ł30.
Or you could just check out my signature, of course....
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I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?
I was also trying to get the Australian Prayer Book but I think I've spotted one one Amazon.co.uk.
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I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?
Is this it (top of page)? If so, a brief peruse doesn't seem to turn up any copies for me, either.
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Is anyone else falling in love with the Anglican Gradual and Sacramentary like I am?
Did you just find it, LQ?
It sure is an interesting resource, but it disappointed me a couple of days ago when I went searching for the Proclamation of the Date of Easter at Epiphany.
Anglican resources also usually disappoint me because of the lack of musical notation.
Still, if one wants minor propers, one will not be disappointed.
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I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?
I was also trying to get the Australian Prayer Book but I think I've spotted one one Amazon.co.uk.
I possess a copy of the South African Prayer Book which I bought on my travels to that Country some years ago. It is dated 1989, but I do not know whether or not it is still the current edition. I also possess a traditional SAPB.
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I like Mr. Burt's gradual better: http://tinyurl.com/3x76b2
It's a tough call. The AUG doesn't have anything for Rite II, while the AGS doesn't have chant notation. I also couldn't find anything in the Burt Gradual for the Naming of Jesus (which I realise RCs celebrate two days later, but it's still around) so a parish that wasn't spiky enough to celebrate Mary, Mother of God, would be out of luck. So I like them both for different reasons.
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I like Mr. Burt's gradual better: http://tinyurl.com/3x76b2
It seems like he did a good job of trying to balance old-school chant and the text.
One thing strikes me as odd, and perhaps I'm just being stubborn, but on page 96, there's just something that bothers me about the chant for "Let us go forth in peace...In the Name of Christ. Amen." I can see that it might be said to flow with the following chant, but it simply doesn't sound right to my ears. Do you think it was intentional or a mistake?
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
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Originally posted by malik3000:
I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?
I was also trying to get the Australian Prayer Book but I think I've spotted one one Amazon.co.uk.
I possess a copy of the South African Prayer Book which I bought on my travels to that Country some years ago. It is dated 1989, but I do not know whether or not it is still the current edition. I also possess a traditional SAPB.
The 1989 one's still in use, although I think there may be plans to do a new one some time in the future.
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I have been searching online for a copy of the current South African Prayer Book to no avail. It is possible to do a transaction via snail mail order to and from the South African publisher, but I would have thought that as the main liturgical book of a reasonably sized Anglican church body it would not be so difficult to locate on line. Any help, suggestions, shipmates?
Is this it (top of page)? If so, a brief peruse doesn't seem to turn up any copies for me, either.
Yes, that is the one. I just don't particularly to go through the hassle of snail mail plus I suppose getting an international money order plus problably contacting them first to see how to do the process. I'm kind of surprised they don't have online ordering.
Thanks for the info shipmates. If anyone has a surplus copy they don't want i guess i'm in the market.
Cheers and Happy New Year.
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I don't believe that this has hitherto found its way onto this thread, but they've done a reprint of the Directorium Anglicanum. Not quite the same as having the real thing, but much more reasonably priced.
Here.
Though do be warned that "it may possibly have occasional imperfections such as missing and blurred pages, missing text, poor pictures, markings, dark backgrounds and other reproduction issues." So there you go.
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Has anyone mentioned The Holy Bible yet?!
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Isn't it more convenient simply to use the Missal for the lections?
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