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I spent a fruitful afternoon at Hay this Saturday, acquiring the following:

Anglo & Prayerbook Catholic:

12th edition of the Parson's Handbook (replacing my 11th edition)

Canon Carter's "Treasury of Devotion"

"The Young Priest" (looks to be a counterpart to RC priest's manuals, with sections on the interior life, the office, mass etc.)

Cecil Bickersteth's "The Ministry of Absolution" (subtitled "An appeal for its more general use with due regard to the liberty of the individual")

A.P. Hebert's "Liturgy and Society" (Parish Communion movement)

H.B. Young's "A handbook of the Christian Religion" (a handsome SSPP production)

Roman Catholic:

Abbot Cabrol's "Liturgical Prayer" (pre-war Burns & Oates, in its original dustjacket)

Ronald Knox's famous one-man translation of the New Testament

And, nine volumes from the Percy Dearmer-edited "Arts of the Church" series, viz:

Renaissance Architecture in England
Heraldry of the Church
Church Bells
The Decorative Arts in the Service of the Church
The Chancel and the Altar
The Religious Drama
The Architectural History of the Christian Church
Symbolism of the Saints
Ornaments of the Ministers (duplicate to be disposed of)

(All now on Librarything should anyone want more details.)

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Has anyone mentioned the wonderful book by Rose Macaulay
'Towers of Trebizond' (- and for a copy see below(!)

I think it's a must as a novel for any 'self respecting AC priest', comic but profound too.

Ernest raymond's 'The Chalice and the Sword' is good too - but a bit dated and not comic - but some good character sketches of an A/C parish in the 30s. Does anyone read Ernest Raymond nowadays... I hope they do.

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I managed to pick up a copy of S. Swithun's Prayer Book for $3 canadian at a random used bookstore, have I found a treasure?? It is quite the devotional manual, thats for sure!

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quote:
Originally posted by Wottinger:
Has anyone mentioned the wonderful book by Rose Macaulay
'Towers of Trebizond' (- and for a copy see below(!)

I think it's a must as a novel for any 'self respecting AC priest', comic but profound too.

Ernest raymond's 'The Chalice and the Sword' is good too - but a bit dated and not comic - but some good character sketches of an A/C parish in the 30s. Does anyone read Ernest Raymond nowadays... I hope they do.

Ernest Raymond - did he write "Tell England", or am I thinking of the wrong person?

TMM - the St. Swithun's Prayer Book is indeed highly sought-after, as I understand, and quite rare.

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Maybe somebody higher up the thread mentioned them, but Barbara Pym's novels give a fascinating glimpse of a typical urban anglo-catholic parish in the 1950s, complete with clergy-mad spinsters and closeted gay clerics.

More up to date and challenging treatment of this theme (and with less of the 'closeted' is Michael Arditti's Easter, which, as the blurb says, describes a priest and congregation 'caught up in a latter-day Passion story which will tear apart their lives.' The events of the novel are paralleled by the liturgy of Holy Week.

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The "Altar Steps" trilogy by Compton Mackenzie is also very good for giving a vivid picture of various aspects of Anglo-Catholic life from late Victorian/Edwardian times to the 1930s, touching on everything from slum ritualism to religious brotherhoods and a whole range of parishes from the tepid to the thoroughly enthusiastic. I suspect that there are also a few more pen portraits in the novels than the author cared to admit...

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Maybe somebody higher up the thread mentioned them, but Barbara Pym's novels give a fascinating glimpse of a typical urban anglo-catholic parish in the 1950s, complete with clergy-mad spinsters and closeted gay clerics.
It sounds like you have Excellent Women or A Glass of Blessings in mind (both indeed excellent novels). Can't say I was so keen on Rose Macauley's Towers of Trebizond (I thought it was a bit flat) and Arditti's Easter was a pretty bad book - although as always inexplicably positively reviewed.

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I resurrect this thread to mention that on eBay, ending in approx 12 hrs from the time of this post, is a signed copy of Colin Stephenson's "Merrily on High", which at £10 could make an agreeable and worthwhile investment for someone. (Not one of my own books, I hasten to add, nor have I any connection with the seller.) A search for "Merrily on High" should find it readily.

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Quite a while ago, somebody linked us to an interesting old book that was viewable online. It was like one of those old Roman Catholic Mass books, the ones with a color picture of the priest at the altar and a short explanation of what is happening during the Mass. However, this one was Anglican (very "Tridentine" Anglo-Catholic) because it featured the Confession and Absolution in the Prayer Book location before the Offering.

Does anybody remember what this is or where it was found online? I can't seem to find it now.

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Is it this one Martin?

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quote:
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Is it this one Martin?

It wouldn't be that. That's Dearmerish rather than Tridentine. Not that these arcane differences mean much to most present-day anglicans, let alone RCs like RL.

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quote:
Originally posted by Robertus Liverpolitanae:
Is it this one Martin?

No, although thanks anyway for that one.

The one I'm recalling had drawn pictures, not real ones. It looked like the old St. Joseph's Catholic Missals, if you've ever seen one of those.

I remember we discussed it on a thread here once, questioning whether it was RC or Anglican as the only difference was the position of the Confession. There were even mysterious vanishing reliquaries on the gradine of the altar that would appear and disappear as the liturgy progressed.

[ 13. July 2008, 16:50: Message edited by: Martin L ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin L:

I remember we discussed it on a thread here once, questioning whether it was RC or Anglican as the only difference was the position of the Confession. There were even mysterious vanishing reliquaries on the gradine of the altar that would appear and disappear as the liturgy progressed.

Must have been Anglican then. That was the protestant Archdeacon removing said superstitious objects when no-one was looking. [Biased]

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Must have been Anglican then. That was the protestant Archdeacon removing said superstitious objects when no-one was looking. [Biased]

[Snigger]

Rather! [he said drily]

Here's an example of the Catholic version. The artwork was quite similar to this, but it seemed to be written for adults and not for children.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Robertus Liverpolitanae:
Is it this one Martin?

No, although thanks anyway for that one.

The one I'm recalling had drawn pictures, not real ones. It looked like the old St. Joseph's Catholic Missals, if you've ever seen one of those.

I remember we discussed it on a thread here once, questioning whether it was RC or Anglican as the only difference was the position of the Confession. There were even mysterious vanishing reliquaries on the gradine of the altar that would appear and disappear as the liturgy progressed.

My first thought was Clement O. Skilbeck's "Illustrations of the Liturgy", but it can't be that - too Dearmerish, as Angloid has said. I'm sure that Martin Travers did one for the SSPP, but I can't remember what it is called.

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Aha! Was it this one?

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quote:
Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Aha! Was it this one?

Soooo close, but no. This is almost exactly the same thing, only it doesn't have the full mass and I see no vanishing reliquaries. Perhaps Angloid's Protestant Archdeacon has been at work on the website? [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin L:
quote:
Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Aha! Was it this one?

Soooo close, but no. This is almost exactly the same thing, only it doesn't have the full mass and I see no vanishing reliquaries. Perhaps Angloid's Protestant Archdeacon has been at work on the website? [Big Grin]
Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

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quote:
Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

That's it! 100% for Manipled, plus 5% extra credit for the Absolutions of the Dead at the end of the page. Thanks for looking!

[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin L:
quote:
Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

That's it! 100% for Manipled, plus 5% extra credit for the Absolutions of the Dead at the end of the page. Thanks for looking!

[Smile]

All testimonials are gratefully accepted and can be inspected at our head office on request.

That bier is almost frighteningly enormous!

I want one.

(At my funeral, that is.)

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Those pictures were MW classics.
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quote:
Originally posted by Martin L:
quote:
Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Picky, picky, picky!

How's about this then?

That's it! 100% for Manipled, plus 5% extra credit for the Absolutions of the Dead at the end of the page. Thanks for looking!

[Smile]

Not only vanishing reliquaries, but by picture 20 Father has lost his toupée. I suspect the gossiping curates behind him know its whereabouts.

[ 13. July 2008, 20:39: Message edited by: Angloid ]

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quote:
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Not only vanishing reliquaries, but by picture 20 Father has lost his toupée. I suspect the gossiping curates behind him know its whereabouts.

[Killing me]

Maybe he takes it off like a zuchetto at the Great Thanksgiving.

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In picture 10, Father's chasuble has miraculously changed from fiddleback to Gothic. [Yipee]
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Actually, it is picture 11.
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Well, I just picked up a copy of Clement VII for 75p.

It looks like fun!

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Does anyone have any experience of ordering from the Anglican Parishes Association? I ordered a book a month ago, and still no sign of it. I sent an email asking if I should be concerned a week and a half ago and received no reply.
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Does anyone have any experience of ordering from the Anglican Parishes Association? I ordered a book a month ago, and still no sign of it. I sent an email asking if I should be concerned a week and a half ago and received no reply.

It can take about 4 weeks for the APA to deliver orders within the U.S., so your order may well be on its way. That said, while I appreciate that the APA is entirely run by volunteers, they seem to be rather inept even within the circumstances. They have been working on the ANGLICAN MISSAL reprint for years, with no sign of progress, and have recently resorted to asking Missal parishes to tape up their old copies and hope for the best. If you gave the project over to Lancelot Andrewes Press, or even if you gave Magic Wand and Oblatus the run of a well-equipped office and a week's free time, I guarantee the PDF files would be on the way to LuLu and publication by the end of that week.
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Thanks, Brian, good to know it's not unusual.
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I recently picked up Firmly I Believe and The Sacramental Life, both of which look promising.
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"Some Notes on the Conduct of Public Worship" arrived from the Anglican Parishes Association.

A few days later, I got a parcel from the Convent Society of the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada, containing:

*The Lesser Hours of Prayer: which includes Prime, Terce, Sext, and None, as well as Compline (which I find odd - why not just use the BCP?) and a Midnight Hour.
*Readiness and Decency, Fr Palmer's guide to ceremonial.
*At the Altar of the Lord, the ACCC's bishops' guide for the celebrant at Mass, an adaptation of At the Lord's Table for the Canadian BCP.
*The Liturgy of Holy Week, the authorised Holy Week booklet for the ACCC.

All most edifying. Next I'm hoping to spring for these two publications.

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The Lesser Hours of Prayer: which includes Prime, Terce, Sext, and None, as well as Compline (which I find odd - why not just use the BCP?) and a Midnight Hour.

The editors included Compline for those Continuers who use classic BCPs with no such provision, like the 1662 and US 1928. You may wish to contact the editors at the Cathedral Church of Saint John the Evangelist for info on their volume of Ancient Office Hymns, which is similar to the English Office.
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Originally posted by TheMightyMartyr:
I managed to pick up a copy of S. Swithun's Prayer Book for $3 canadian at a random used bookstore, have I found a treasure?? It is quite the devotional manual, thats for sure!

It eventually became A Manual of Catholic Devotion so yes it's rather a treasure.

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quote:
Originally posted by Thurible:
quote:
Originally posted by TheMightyMartyr:
I managed to pick up a copy of S. Swithun's Prayer Book for $3 canadian at a random used bookstore, have I found a treasure?? It is quite the devotional manual, thats for sure!

It eventually became A Manual of Catholic Devotion so yes it's rather a treasure.

Thurible

I have been trying to find information about it online... but nothing seems to come up about it, and what does seems to talk about parts 1-4. The one I picked up is a little tiny book, and seems to be self contained, and dates from 1934.

I also found "A Communicant's Manual" by B.W. Randolph, D.D, which I found for 7 bucks at another store, and which dates from 1936.

Both were given by priests to parishoners, one on their confirmation by the Lord Bishop of Chelmsford, and the other for reasons unknown... rather interesting though!

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And sorry to double post, but I've just discovered a link between my copy of S. Swithun's and Horfield Parish Church, which is mentioned on the Affirming Catholic thread... so it was definetly "Full Faith" at one time!!

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Yes it was - then they had a female curate, who has now left.

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I resurrect this thread to mention for the benefit of US shipmates that there is a reasonably-priced copy of the Anglican Service Book available currently on eBay, ending in 3 days.

(Did I also mention that I recently picked up a sound copy of E.A.L. Clark's Free Catholic "The People's Missal" for £3?)

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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
I resurrect this thread to mention for the benefit of US shipmates that there is a reasonably-priced copy of the Anglican Service Book available currently on eBay, ending in 3 days.

(Did I also mention that I recently picked up a sound copy of E.A.L. Clark's Free Catholic "The People's Missal" for £3?)

MM, it can be had for half that price directly from the publisher: Good Shepherd Press
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Perhaps I should also mention the reprint of the deposited UK 1928 BCP with 1922/28 lessons for MP and EP in full.

[ 06. October 2008, 13:44: Message edited by: Brian M ]

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Spotted on eBay:

Bicknell on the 39 articles

Moss on the Christian Faith

Caudwell - Ceremonies of Holy Church

From the Fathers to the Churches

(all from the same seller, so you might be able to get a deal on postage.)

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Has been a while since anyone posted on this threat. However, two Anglo-Catholic gems have recently been republished by SCM/Canterbury Press:

Colin Stephenson - 'Merrily on High: An Anglo-Catholic Memoir'. (I read this a couple of weeks ago and thought it was excellent. Both interesting as an exploration of Anglo-Catholicism during the inter-war/post-war period, but also hilariously funny as a memoir.)

Colin Stephenson - 'Walsingham Way: Alfred Hope Patten and the Restoration of the Shrine of Our Lady'. (I have only just started reading this, but it seems to be very readable.)

Also on my to-read list is WSF Pickering's book on Anglo-Catholicism, which looks as though it could be interesting. (That and Dix on the Shape of the Liturgy/Dix's biography, which I hope to read longer-term.)

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There's a review of Pickering's book in last month's New Directions. I wouldn't call it overwhelmingly positive.

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Thanks for the link to the review.

I enjoyed Pickering's book but felt that it described my family but that he didn't know us very well.

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Someone should consider snapping-up this very reasonable copy of Vernon Staley's famous Prayerbook Catholic summary of "The Catholic Religion"

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Consider it snapped. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Patrick the less saintly
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quote:
Originally posted by aumbry:
[ Can't say I was so keen on Rose Macauley's Towers of Trebizond (I thought it was a bit flat)

Heresy!

Seriously, though, I don't know what you mean by flat, although that may be more of a discussion for purgatory.

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The Silent Acolyte

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quote:
Originally posted by Patrick the less saintly:
quote:
Originally posted by aumbry:
Can't say I was so keen on Rose Macauley's Towers of Trebizond (I thought it was a bit flat)

Heresy!
Maybe so, but I'm with aumbry here. I was glad when I'd finished it. The opening chapter or three promised much more than was delivered.
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Patrick the less saintly
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Well, it fails to live up to its potential as light satire because it becomes a quite serious story about belief, unbelief, sin and grace. One could say the same thing about Brideshead Revisited.

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Bumping this thread to ask if anyone would be interested in a copy of The Sacristan's Manual by the Revd Denis G Murphy, Burns & Oates, 1st ed. 1950. It is slightly warped and a few pages including the front end papers are lightly foxed, but it has 24 pages of most delectable advertisements for sundry church furnishings, vestments etc. on shiny paper. I picked it up locally for A$6 and would be happy to sell it on for the same price plus p&p. The chart of private votive, requiem and nuptial masses is intact in the back pocket.
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My apologies if it has already been mentioned:

The Kirkbride Conversations by Harry Blamires. The format of a novel serves as framework for discussions of the tenets of the Christian faith from a decidedly Anglo-Catholic perspective-- dialogues between Father Kirkbride and a young agnostic who is eventually converted.

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