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sanityman
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I bet you love bacon sandwiches, though. I know the New Testament allows that in contradiction to the Torah, but if there's no heirarchy of verses then why do you follow what the NT says and not the Law?

Even worse, he may even like black pudding!

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Viva la FSM!

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is female?

Heresy!

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The Scriptures do oppose bad language.

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That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. Mk 7.
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Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee. Prov. 4:24
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But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Col. 3:8
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Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. James 3:10
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Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. Eph. 5:4
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Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Of course you have to assume that the writers were thinking of the word "fuck" when they were penning those verses. "Fuck" is a mild term compared to the hate speech propagated against homosexuals, women, and non-Christians spouted by evangelical bigots every Sunday. How can "fuck" be bad when it is commonly uttered during an activity that produces beautiful children?

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quote:
Originally posted by sanityman:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I bet you love bacon sandwiches, though. I know the New Testament allows that in contradiction to the Torah, but if there's no heirarchy of verses then why do you follow what the NT says and not the Law?

Even worse, he may even like black pudding!
Indeed.

Though he may just be setting us up for his next screed: People Who Eat Bacon And Black Pudding For Breakfast Are Wicked Heretical Apostates (And Probably Communists As Well), And Thus Are Not Part Of The Christian Church.

It's possible. Frankly, anything is possible with fruitloopery of this magnitude...

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Though he may just be setting us up for his next screed: People Who Eat Bacon And Black Pudding For Breakfast Are Wicked Heretical Apostates (And Probably Communists As Well), And Thus Are Not Part Of The Christian Church.

Goody.

Pork scratching, anyone?

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How come this thread grew sooo looong sooo kwik ?

And did you mean blow or shoot ?

[ 04. September 2009, 00:41: Message edited by: Laurie17 ]

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Ken doing a thorough exegesis as well as his usual superb historical debunking?

Best. Troll. Ever.

[ 04. September 2009, 03:59: Message edited by: Mertseger ]

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Best hell thread EVER !

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Anglican2009,

Cake, please

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[Cool] This could be the best thread ever. Anyone for popcorn?

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Only with a comfy chair.

And what a marvellous piece of revisionist history we have here: "the years 1618-1648 represent the zenith of religious consensus and goodwill between Catholic, Calvinist and Lutheran in central Europe, as does the period 1562-1598 between Catholic and Calvinist in France; everyone agreed on all matters of doctrine and practice and were Very Nice toeach other".

PMSWL! [Killing me]

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A quick note to the popcorn brigade:

Fuck off.

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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Only with a comfy chair.

And what a marvellous piece of revisionist history we have here: "the years 1618-1648 represent the zenith of religious consensus and goodwill between Catholic, Calvinist and Lutheran in central Europe, as does the period 1562-1598 between Catholic and Calvinist in France; everyone agreed on all matters of doctrine and practice and were Very Nice toeach other".

PMSWL! [Killing me]

Yet despite their disagreements, it was non-controversial in th 17th century that the Christian religion opposed homosexuality, opposed women ministers, and sought to maintain Europe as a Christian continent.

They were the points I made. Please read the whole thread before replying further for fear of more non sequiturs.

To be quite honest, wars between the denominations in Europe reflected the importance of the Christian faith. We would not fight on denominational grounds today precisely because Christianity is seen as unimportant.

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Yet despite their disagreements, it was non-controversial in th 17th century that the Christian religion opposed homosexuality, opposed women ministers, and sought to maintain Europe as a Christian continent.

So, you don't mind their disagreements, but you expect us to take seriously their agreement on homosexuality, women and Christian imperialism?

This is inconsistent. You pick and choose their stance on penises, and you ignore the dogmatical differences, and then you ask that other conform to that picking and choosing.

You are right that there was a consensus on those issues, but the lack of consensus on other issues undermines the consensus of Christianity you speak of. In other words, why stick to an arbitrary consensus of the past? If it was arbitrary, then chances are that it was made-up rather than divine revelation [Razz]

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And you really think that made Early Modern Christians better??! Hmmm...let's see: 16th and 17th centuries: body count as a result of Christianity: high. Now: very low, now even in Northern Ireland and former Yugoslavia.

No brainer.

[cp with Andrew]

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It is like talking to a bunch of Pharisees - yes they were the self-righteous equivalents of the Ship of Fools in the 1st century…Why is letting England go Muslim "an act of love"? Why is approving of blasphemous pseudo-services by female "clergymen" "an act of love"? This is Phariseeism of the worst kind.

No, that is not what Pharisees were. You really have misunderstood. You’re just using it as a catch-all insult without any understanding of what you’re saying. Pharisees were not self-righteous liberals allowing foreign religions and female clergy. They were self-righteous conservatives who stridently opposed foreign religions and would have stoned any female clergy. You’re not as bad as them but you’re the only one around here who’s on the same side of the fence as they were.

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I am happy not to be supremacist - let them practice their cultures in their own countries, why shouldn't they? But we need to believe in our culture and traditions too, and that means protecting Europe as the Citadel on the Hill. As Hilaire Belloc said, the Faith is Europe and Europe is the Faith.

Again, you have failed to understand what you’re saying. That is actually the definition of a supremacist. The clue’s in the name. You believe that Europe is supreme to all others. Just like the Pharisees were obsessed that Israel was supreme. Yet Jesus gave the great commission – to preach to all the world. Paul followed up on this and preached that all people were God’s children and equal. This is absolutely vital. Europe is not the faith, the faith is not Europe. Faith can not owned, possessed or controlled by a country, it is a gift from God to whosoever He wishes to give it to, Indian, Arab, African or Asian. What makes Europe the Citadel on the Hill? Why are our cultures and traditions more important than anyone else’s?

And what do you mean by our culture and traditions? Maypoles, morris dancing, football hooliganism? All ancient and cultural traditions. But all rather silly and one of which at least that should be abolished. (I’ll leave you to pick which one. [Big Grin] )

That’s what I don’t understand about this mindset. An obsession with protecting our culture but they never define our culture because to do so starts to get a little embarrassing (not least of which is because our culture has historically been one of a long tradition of multiculturalism, immigration and tolerance.)

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Secondly no Christian believes every verse in the Bible is equal to every other verse. Even the conservative evangelicals who embrace inerrancy don't. Everyone cherry picks Scripture. Jesus did it. St. Paul did it. We do it.
This is outright apostasy. Christians believe that the Bible is inspired by God. Conservative evangelicals do not cherrypick at all. There is no hierarchy of Bible verses.
Absolutely wrong. You can’t just say that and make it true. You have to live your life like it. Do you eat shellfish? Do you sacrifice in the temple? Does Numbers 1: 5-16 have a place in your daily walk with God or indeed has it ever encouraged or helped you in your faith? It’s the word of God and shouldn’t be removed from the Bible, admittedly. But I think a Christian can get through his entire life and be no poorer for never reading it.

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The Christian religion=the teaching of the Church from AD33 to ca. 1960. Over those 19 centuries, there were disputes about some things, but there was also consensus on most things.

Which Church? We’re all dying to know. You obviously think that within a certain strain of tradition that you have personally subscribed to there was consensus. There is only a consensus if you artificially remove all the bits that don’t consent. If you believe in the Anglican Church then how can you possibly think that there is a consensus between it and the traditions of the Catholic Church? You obviously have the same grasp of history as you do about theology. None at all.

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All of your points are false or tendentious - there is a deaconess in the Bible, but unless you can show that Phoebe, as I think her name was, ministered in the place of male ministers who were present you don't have a point. She was probably ministering to female members of the congregation.

Interesting musings, but not in the Bible. Perhaps you think your own speculations are equal to scripture?

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Either way, the relevant Bible verse needs to be interpreted in the light of the teaching of the church over 19 centuries, and not subjected to a "private interpretation".

Well, the teaching of the Anglican Church is that women can be clergy in the 21st century. That is the teaching of the Church, why are you refusing to accept it?

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Yet despite their disagreements, it was non-controversial in th 17th century that the Christian religion opposed homosexuality, opposed women ministers, and sought to maintain Europe as a Christian continent.

Ah yes, the three key tenets of the Christian faith: no gays, no women and no ragheads.

Disagree all you want about Salvation, the Nature of God, the Trinity, whether Jesus was fully God/fully man/both, the filioque clause, the Real Presence, how many Sacraments there are, and so forth - these are mere trifles compared to the True Dogmatic Trinity outlined above.

What an asshat.

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The Christian religion=the teaching of the Church from AD33 to ca. 1960.

What happened in 1960? Did the Holy Spirit go on strike?

The thing is that a liberal can cope with the idea that the Spirit allowed the Church to wander into Error, but a conservative can't. If the Holy Spirit wandered off in 1960, what makes you think He was present before then?

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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
The Christian religion=the teaching of the Church from AD33 to ca. 1960.

What happened in 1960? Did the Holy Spirit go on strike?
Independence for Upper Volta? Sarah Brightman was born? First episode of Coronation Street? Any of them could make a self-respecting Holy Spirit walk off in a huff.

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Originally posted by Hawk:
(whole lotta jabbering making my eyes cross and my tummy sour)

for fuck's sake, sunshine, didn't mama teach you to summarize?

and before the rest of you losers get all excited, you know damn well I can't stand to read your long-winded shit, either.

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That's why I keep my posts short, O flame-haired temptress, just for you.

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I'd tell you to kiss my ass, Matt, but you seem to have already found your way.

[Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Frankly, anything is possible with fruitloopery of this magnitude...

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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
What an asshat.

Just a minute, Marvin, but we're talking about racism, xenophobia, sexism, and homophobia here. That is orders of magnitude worse than fruitloopery or asshattery: It is poisonous, dangerous, vile, and disgusting. Let's not trivialize what a horrible person Anglican2009 appears to be.

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I can't stand to read your long-winded shit.

Well, it's a good job you're hosting a message board then.

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Just a minute, Marvin, but we're talking about racism, xenophobia, sexism, and homophobia here.

Oh, this is exactly so. But does his racism, xenophobia, sexism and homophobia have a basis in his religion? It appears so. Why don't you address this issue?

Christianity has been characterized by those things, among others, and it's only recently that many Christians managed to overcome those bad beliefs and embrace a more open attitude.

But why be surprised someone points out that this is a rejection of traditional Christian beliefs? Of course it is. And it's the right thing to do.

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Hawk, the Pharisees were self-serving and self-righteous. It is that characteristic in particular that I am homing in on, and drawing a parallel to the Phariseeism of Rowan Atkinson and the Anglican higher-ups of today, who feel just as self-righteous while trying to abolish Christianity as the Pharisees did in the first century. It is true the first-century Pharisees would not have gone for multiculturalism in the same way as R.A., but the particular point I am drawing out is their interest in asserting their own righteousness, which is the same as the Ship-of-Twits today.

Yes, St Paul did argue all God's children are equal, at least in that God is no respecter of persons and created them all and is willingness to save them all. In the eyes of the God, then, they are equal, although they are not socially and politically equal in the earthly economies. How did St Paul reconcile this point? He told slaves and masters to just get on with, and to work out their own salvation by allowing their Christianity to mellow the social realities. He did not argue that Christians should overthrow the social order. Nor did Jesus, although the Pharisees did try to trick him on the issue.

Just think how the Syriac women touched Jesus robe and he said "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". She COULD have said, "how dare you be so discriminatory?" and indeed she would have had she been reading the Ship-of-Twits, but in fact she humbly pointed out that the dogs eat the crumbs that fall off the children's table.

Yes, I do eat shellfish and no, I don't sacrifice in the Temple. Given that the Temple has been destroyed, it would be difficult to do the latter. We are told in the Bible how God cast off the Jews and the old covenant was superseded. But still the Pentateuch is the word of God, and the principles, eg the importance of holiness etc, therein are still applicable. Part of the Law was designed to protect the Jews from diseases in the desert - hence the dietary laws. I am not living in the desert, and indeed I have access to a refrigerator.

Hawk, as you rightly point out, there were issues on which there was not consensus in the church, and on all of those issues, I would think it right for Christians to disagree today, as there has never been a definitive agreement. But on points that all Christians agreed on for 19 centuries there is no leeway for socialists/Marxists to disagree and claim to be
Christian. That is my point. Do you get it?

"Well, the teaching of the Anglican Church is that women can be clergy in the 21st century." Hawk, the CofE does not have the authority to decide such a thing. It amounts to overturning the verdict of scripture and the teaching of the church over centuries.

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(cross posted with another sufferer of diarrhea-of-the-keyboard, obviously)

and you know why, chickenhawk?

because I want to give back to this place. I have learned so much from this ol' tub that I can honestly say it's been life-changing. in a good way.

mostly.

and I ain't rich, and I wont do much good just singing praises to the world, and I know sitting around the boards with my usual dumbass questions doesn't contribute a whole helluva lot most days. But I can give my time and my judgement and help support the joint in a way I'm happy to give.

I'm in Hell because any of the other boards would drive me mental. this board drives me mental, too; but in Hell it helps to host a little bit bonkers.

around here, I get to really say what I think and not care so much whether the offenderati are keeping score. it's even appreciated - it's like bartending. the more abuse you heap on the clientele, the better they tip you. it's fucking weird but it works for me.

and sometimes - once in a blue moon, maybe - someone around here says something so goddamn funny I spit my tea and scare the cat. I'm selfish. I don't want to miss any of those moments.

so if I'm going to sift through the piles of dogshit looking for gold anyway, might as well help the rest of the overworked, underpaid, and waaaay under appreciated staff around here.

so, what have you done for this boat lately?

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Hawk, the Pharisees were self-serving and self-righteous. It is that characteristic in particular that I am homing in on, and drawing a parallel to the Phariseeism of Rowan Atkinson and the Anglican higher-ups of today, who feel just as self-righteous while trying to abolish Christianity as the Pharisees did in the first century.

Oooh, what a giveaway! Rowan Atkinson is such a Pharisee. Hello Trolly McTrollerson. And the posting style is so familiar, too. Going to rack my pain-addled* brain to think who this reminds me of...

*fiskin' root-canals....

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But still the Pentateuch is the word of God, and the principles, eg the importance of holiness etc, therein are still applicable. Part of the Law was designed to protect the Jews from diseases in the desert - hence the dietary laws. I am not living in the desert, and indeed I have access to a refrigerator.

That, of course, is one valid interpretation of the reason for the dietary laws. It's by no means the only valid interpretation. And, of course, the health issues relating to eating pork and shell fish would have been important to the early church as well, they didn't have fridges then either (though, perhaps you're sufficiently deluded to think that they did!). It might justify us saying the "no pork" rule isn't important, it would be irrelevant to Peter and Paul.

A very good case could be made that the dietary laws are part of a set of laws that were designed to signify the difference between the Hebrews and other people, that they're set apart to serve Jahweh. So, people look at Jews and remark "They're different. They don't eat pork, they sit around doing nothing on Saturday, they chop off bits of their dicks. They clearly must be dedicated to this God they worship".

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DoS. That's who this monkey reminds me of. Similarly mangled posting style, similar trolly bigotry.
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St. Stephen the Stoned
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quote:
Originally posted by Earwig:
... Rowan Atkinson is such a Pharisee. Hello Trolly McTrollerson. And the posting style is so familiar, too. Going to rack my pain-addled* brain to think who this reminds me of...

*fiskin' root-canals....

Makes a change from his being a druid, doesn't it?

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Anglican2009
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That, of course, is one valid interpretation of the reason for the dietary laws. It's by no means the only valid interpretation. And, of course, the health issues relating to eating pork and shell fish would have been important to the early church as well, they didn't have fridges then either (though, perhaps you're sufficiently deluded to think that they did!). It might justify us saying the "no pork" rule isn't important, it would be irrelevant to Peter and Paul.
Alan, I have consistently explained that we should avoid private interpretations and look to the traditional teaching of the church. What verses on Hebrew dietary laws mean to Christians today depends on the teaching of the church that expounded those passages. Has the church ever taught that a kid shouldn't be boiled in its mother's milk? No, it hasn't, as the church has taught for over 1000 years that the Jewish religion was superceded by the new covenant.

Has the church ever taught that the Pauline principle of headship can be ignored? No, for 1000+ years it has taught the principle of headship. The point is the teaching of the Church. As my old parish priest put it "the Bible to prove and the Church to teach". So your AHA! upon reading about kids-boiling-in-milk, thinking that unless anyone adheres to this dietary rule, he has no right to insist on any other principle mentioned in the Good Book, is quite wrong. You need to first check the teaching and interpretation of the church.

The teaching of the Church today is a complete 180 compared to the traditional teaching. That shows that apostasy reigns in the church today. As Jesus showed, we must be strong enough to flog the false religionists out of the temple today. That means taking on the Ship-of-Twits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
A quick note to the popcorn brigade:

Fuck off.

Thanks for your insights, fuck you.

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Anglican2009
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quote:
Originally posted by Lady Alicia of Scouseland:
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
A quick note to the popcorn brigade:

Fuck off.

Thanks for your insights, fuck you.
Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee. Prov. 4:24
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You know, you could just go and form your own woman-subjugating, gay-hating, foreigner-stoning sect and have done with it. Let us rot in hell while you and your similarly bigoted companions bask in the warmth of your self-generated righteousness. I think everyone would be happier that way.

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Alicïa
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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Alicia of Scouseland:
quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
A quick note to the popcorn brigade:

Fuck off.

Thanks for your insights, fuck you.
Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee. Prov. 4:24
A fool does not care whether he understands a thing or not; all he wants to do is to show how clever he is. (Prov 18.2)

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
The teaching of the Church today is a complete 180 compared to the traditional teaching.

You assume people care. They don't. Except for a few fundamentalists.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
So your AHA! upon reading about kids-boiling-in-milk, thinking that unless anyone adheres to this dietary rule, he has no right to insist on any other principle mentioned in the Good Book, is quite wrong.

That wasn't his point. His point was that you pick-and-choose, same as everyone does. And you have reasons and criteria by which you pick-and-choose, same as everyone does.

You seem to have picked-and-chosen every bit you can on judgement and condemnation, and ignored the bulk of the rest. It would be easy to get drawn into a tit-for-tat verse-for-verse argument with you, but I'm not sure it would be very beneficial for either side. I also get the impression that you're not in the mood for reasoned debate.

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Just wondering, is a twit better or worse than a fool. I'm getting the impression that Anglican2009 has just given us all a promotion...

I am no longer a fool! I am merely a twit!

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St. Stephen the Stoned
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quote:
Originally posted by §Andrew:
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
The teaching of the Church today is a complete 180 compared to the traditional teaching.

You assume people care. They don't. Except for a few fundamentalists.
But they're the only people who count. The rest just aren't Christians. End of.

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fletcher christian

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Shouldn't the name be Anglican1709 ?

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El Greco
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quote:
Originally posted by goperryrevs:
That wasn't his point. His point was that you pick-and-choose, same as everyone does. And you have reasons and criteria by which you pick-and-choose, same as everyone does.

Technically, it's not picking and choosing, unless you are willing to accept that there is more than one religion spoken of in the bible, with the old testament and the new testament describing two different religions instead of being two parts of the same religion.

But leaving technicalities aside, you are right. As the Hebrew Scripture stands, you can't abolish the Law. Jesus certainly didn't. The disciples didn't. But Paul did. Contradicting Jesus and opposing the disciples. And creating a new religion. Paul is the founder of this particular kind of Christianity that survived (and evolved) to our days. Not Jesus, but Paul.

[ 04. September 2009, 12:27: Message edited by: §Andrew ]

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fletcher christian

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You only noticing this now? That must have been a huge rock you crawled out from under out in Greece

[ 04. September 2009, 12:48: Message edited by: fletcher christian ]

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kentishmaid
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quote:
Originally posted by Earwig:
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Hawk, the Pharisees were self-serving and self-righteous. It is that characteristic in particular that I am homing in on, and drawing a parallel to the Phariseeism of Rowan Atkinson and the Anglican higher-ups of today, who feel just as self-righteous while trying to abolish Christianity as the Pharisees did in the first century.

Oooh, what a giveaway! Rowan Atkinson is such a Pharisee. Hello Trolly McTrollerson. And the posting style is so familiar, too. Going to rack my pain-addled* brain to think who this reminds me of...

*fiskin' root-canals....

Quite. Mr Bean a Pharisee? Complete nonsense!! I think, perhaps, he may mean Rowan Williams.

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El Greco
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quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
You only noticing this now? That must have been a huge rock you crawled out from under out in Greece

While you feel comfortable following Paul and not Jesus? I think not.

Your way of responding to what I post never stops to amaze me. You speak as if it's the most natural thing in the world to accept a religion made by Paul which contradicts both the Hebrew Scriptures and Jesus' teachings, but you don't really mean that.

So I can't take you seriously anymore. I'm sorry, but you have to do better than that. Evading like this won't do.

[ 04. September 2009, 12:54: Message edited by: §Andrew ]

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fletcher christian

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Sqiggle, how do you know what I think?

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Earwig

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quote:
Originally posted by kentishmaid:
quote:
Originally posted by Earwig:
quote:
Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Hawk, the Pharisees were self-serving and self-righteous. It is that characteristic in particular that I am homing in on, and drawing a parallel to the Phariseeism of Rowan Atkinson and the Anglican higher-ups of today, who feel just as self-righteous while trying to abolish Christianity as the Pharisees did in the first century.

Oooh, what a giveaway! Rowan Atkinson is such a Pharisee. Hello Trolly McTrollerson. And the posting style is so familiar, too. Going to rack my pain-addled* brain to think who this reminds me of...

*fiskin' root-canals....

Quite. Mr Bean a Pharisee? Complete nonsense!! I think, perhaps, he may mean Rowan Williams.
I think he wrote that deliberatly to wind people up...
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El Greco
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quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Sqiggle, how do you know what I think?

I make the mistake of assuming you actually mean what you post.

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fletcher christian

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I know the feeling [Biased]

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El Greco
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God hates poofs!

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Matt Black

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Anglican2009, I trust that, if you are a man, you are circumcised? If not, you ought to go and do it with a flint knife pdq, otherwise God might just get upset with you and practise the kind of OT smiting you seem to like on you...

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