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Fool on Hill
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We had an agreement with people that they should work for us and we would pay them money.
We tore that up and said they had to abide by a different "agreement" - they would not agree.
So they aren't working for us any more and it's all their fault.
Well you can't just tear up an agreement like that, and employees have rights, and probably lawyers too by now. Messrs Brewer are apparently lawyers, but they seemed to have forgotten to acquaint themselves with English law, as well as the basics of human decency (let alone the higher expectations suggested by our faith). They are a disgrace.
It would help, I think, if we (or most of us) were to agree not to associate their names with the words Orthodox or Christian in our comments - since the associations seem to me to be both misleading and offensive.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by J Whitgift:
According to Dave Walker's invaluable blog/Save SPCK campaign the former SPCK staff weren't sacked by e-mail. Rather, in the words of a statement issued by the Brewer's:
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"We have recently completed new contract consultations throughout the charity. Unfortunately, certain persons have chosen to terminate their employment rather than agree to the new contract. This is a matter of the employees’ personal and individual choice; it is not the action of the charity."
So that's all right then.
I know you're being ironic, J Whitgift, but this must be the Brewers' legal defence. "We offered them continuity of employment, they turned it down and so sacked themselves i.e resigned."
Thereby, neatly, do the Brewers seek to avoid compensation. The truth is far from that simple, and the law in this country specifically prevents the absolute use of that argument. As BroJames said, it depends on the terms of the contract on offer and the existing terms of employment which the new offer seeks to replace.
I agree about Dave Walker's invaluable blog and I note that Father Gregory's excellent response is getting highlighted. This is not over by any means.
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The general secretary of USDAW writes in the Church Times
"....Your readers may be interested to know, with regard to the ongoing difficulties at the bookshop, that this dispute is not resolved, and we expect new, drastically reduced and probably illegal contracts to be imposed on staff in the very near future.
The main changes are: an increase in the length of the working week from 37.5 hours per week to 40, with no increase in pay; all part-time staff will become casual staff with no guaranteed hours every week; and staff will have no sick pay, where the current contract provides for eight weeks’ full pay followed by eight weeks’ half pay. ....
USDAW is willing to assist in trying to reach a negotiated settlement if St Stephen the Great were prepared to meet us."
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Pax Vobiscum
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Well, first time here - having observed for sometime - so I hope you don't mind the wanderings of an ex-SPCKer.
Having spoken to my former colleagues this week, they have experienced such despair, anger and powerlessnes over the way their jobs and their vocations have been summarily snatched from them.
Two years ago the SPCK shops were resplendent in their imperfection but now, alas, they are no more. Whether, at the end of the day, there was still a need from them in the c21 is debatable. What isn't is the crass bullying that has gone on over the past year+ which has broken the shops and the spirits of some very dedicated people who have worked hard for them.
We are all glad of the support being given here and on Dave Walker's site. The shops may be finished but justice still needs to be served - so please keep this story in the minds of those who matter.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
The truth is far from that simple, and the law in this country specifically prevents the absolute use of that argument.
It worked for Rupert Murdoch and News International ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Honest Ron Bacardi
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Very true, ken. Though if memory serves Murdoch wasn't refusing to pay statutory sick pay, was he?
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Originally posted by Liverpool fan:
Has anyone been to the branch in Chester recently? I had many dealings with them when I lived there and wonder what's happening there.
Not since August, when they seemed happy enough, but unsure about the future of the secondhand trade (they were having a big 50% off sale.) There didn't seem to be any concern about the future of the shop itself.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
The truth is far from that simple, and the law in this country specifically prevents the absolute use of that argument.
It worked for Rupert Murdoch and News International
Wapping was mid 1980's. Lots of Industrial Tribunal precedents since then and a 2006 reworking of TUPE (which may very well apply). What worked then is not necessarily a good guide to what is right now. There is probably a lot of devil in the detail.
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Also the environment that counts. If I remember rightly Wapping was in the middle of Margaret Thatchers anti-Union drive when Unions were being attacked for all sorts of thing, and power was seen as being on the Union's side not on Murdoch's. If I remember rightly Murdoch also managed to bill it as smashing the "closed shop". That was when you actually had to belong to a specific Union to work in specific jobs.
Now it is pretty clear that SPCK is not a closed shop, in fact the staff seem hardly unionised at all, and are only getting unionised as a result of what has happened. Also these staff cannot be portrayed as controlled by extreme Marxists after all they are working for SPCK.
Also SPCK isn't News International, the average person on the street could not care about SPCK, if they know who it is. This is good news as far as court proceedings go, it means that there is far less likelihood of court proceedings being seen as part of a political agenda.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Pax Vobiscum:
We are all glad of the support being given here and on Dave Walker's site. The shops may be finished but justice still needs to be served - so please keep this story in the minds of those who matter.
Glad to see you, Pax Vobiscum. Peace be unto you. I see from this site that there may be a fresh initiative in Norwich - how that might factor in remains to be seen.
As some of the above posts indicate, there is a lot of concern here that ex-staff receive justice; personally I think that is a bigger first priority than supply for customers. But that's just my view. I am also guessing that the only practical way of co-ordinating that for all (or most) would be via USDAW. Publicity will help, I'm sure; chipping in some support funds might also help.
One of the rules on these boards is against campaigning, so it might be better to look at that sort of stuff on Dave Walker's blog? But I think it would be valuable to hear more of your perspective on priorities for staff.
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Barnabas62
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Update
Here is some more detail re the Norwich sackings.
It is worth noting this earlier quote from Mark Brewer of SSG
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Mr Brewer said the organization had not “sacked” the staff via email.
He said: “We have recently completed new contract consultations throughout the charity. Unfortunately, certain persons have chosen to terminate their employment rather than agree to the new contract. This is a matter of the employees' personal and individual choice; it is not the action of the charity.”
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The Network Norwich report says:
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An American-based lawyer, Mr Brewer goes on in his e-mail to tell staff to put a notice in the shop door saying the shop will reopen on February 18 and then tells the staff to: “Lock the door and call for instructions on where to put the keys.”
If any Shipmates have suggestions as to where Mr Brewer can put his keys, they should contact him directly.
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J Whitgift
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Originally posted by Charles Read:
If any Shipmates have suggestions as to where Mr Brewer can put his keys, they should contact him directly.
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BroJames
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I understand that there are now other shops where staff who have refused to sign the new contracts have been given their notice. It appears that in some cases they are unable to give any information about whether/how the shop will be run when their notice expires.
The slow motion car crash continues...
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News on the Times website today.
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I note with horror that the new owners of SPCK bookshops, according to the Times article, have produced a new video which apparently calls for a new crusade against Islam:
'Among the virtues of St Stephen extolled on a video about the work of the trust named after him, however, are St Stephen's victories in 47 battles against “Muslim Turks”. To mark these victories, he is said to have founded 47 churches. And on the video, the trust's chairman, Mark Brewer, says he intends to follow in the footsteps of St Stephen. The Koran was one of the first things to go from the shops, now renamed after the society that has taken them over.'
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Originally posted by BroJames:
It appears that in some cases they are unable to give any information about whether/how the shop will be run when their notice expires.
![[Confused]](confused.gif) Presumably Andreas would be happy to run about 4 shops at once, but what will happen to the others? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Andreas - have you got any comments on the efforts of the Wrong brothers in their attempt to bring wings to the church in the UK?
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J Whitgift
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According to Thursday's Church Times, the Westminster/Faith House branch has been closed since 11 April . Link. I haven't been down that way recently, so hadn't noticed the closure. It's a shame, as the manager there had seemed very sure that they'd weather this storm.
This may have some influence on matters though:
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In a recent briefing, Mark Brewer, one of the two Texan brothers who head SSG, stated that the charity had experienced cashflow difficulties, but that some of the shops were thriving.
In a recent briefing, Mark Brewer, one of the two Texan brothers who head SSG, stated that the charity had experienced cashflow difficulties, but that some of the shops were thriving. He cited the examples of the Chichester and Durham Cathedral shops.
"These shops’ sales have remained strong throughout the past two financial quarters and have been profitable — thus proving the viability of Christian bookselling in the United Kingdom, and disproving the argument that we Brewers are the problem, he said."
On a related note, it looks as though the employment tribunal against SSG is due to go ahead in June. (There are at least 20 claims against SSG according to the report, cited above). It will be interesting to see what the outcome of these claims are.
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The interesting thing is that in other places, the Brewers have claimed that the Durham and Chichester shops are independent operations and no longer part of the SSG -- or for that matter the SPCK -- network. There's a thread on Dave Walker's Cartoon Church site referring to this.
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Helpful link. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Metapelagius
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Is this the end of the saga?
I am told that the shop in Cambridge was closed towards the end of June. As for what has happened in Worcester ......
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Why would they file for bankruptcy in the U.S. when the shops are in the U.K.? Can anyone explain how the U.S. action affects the situation over here?
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Barnabas62
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Oh that's appalling news from Worcester.
I guess the Chapter 11 news enables the Brewers to retain control over what's left for the time being. Those making compensation claims have probably seen the implications.
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) continuing prayers for all concerned.
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Oh no. That's unspeakable. May he rest in peace.
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I think the Brewers are under the impression that what happens under US law applies in the UK. There is a great deal of eivdence that they simply do not understand that there are two different countries, with different systems of law involved.
I gather that the petition has now been changed from Chapter 11, which allows a company to continue operating while it restructures, to chapter (4?), which means winding it up. As the company in question is not a US comapny, and as none of its assets are in that country, it seems odd to me that a US court will even accept the application, much less rule on it in any other sense than to say the application is ultra vires.
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From what I know of the law, that's true, John. But when it comes to recovery of compensation, the effect of getting a ruling in the US nay have some effect on the priorities applied to compensation claims. I have a feeling, for example, that the tax man comes first.
Which is a long way round of saying "I guess its complicated!" It's hard on the UK claimants isn't it? It costs money to make your case, you can't be sure how the letter of the law may apply, and the Brewers may not have any money left anyway. Plus you're probably skint. Having lost your job and all that.
A very good friend of ours is caught up in this. Recently widowed as well. My feelings can be imagined.
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FYI, this whole sorry story has now made it into today's issue of "Private Eye"
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Another informative blog while Dave W attends to some Bishops somewhere.
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In better news, the plans to re-open a Christian bookshop where the Cardiff SPCK was seem to be proceeding. When I cycled past the other day the sign outside had been repainted to say 'Churches Together Bookshop' and there was a new notice saying when it was opening but I couldn't read the details.
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I think it's due to open on 22 July.
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Louise
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The Brewers have now gone after Dave Walker with legal threats.
L.
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Originally posted by Albertus:
I think it's due to open on 22 July.
As indeed it has - I went in at lunchtime. They are still restocking but (a) they're taking orders and (b) the second-hand sales have returned.
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Originally posted by Louise:
The Brewers have now gone after Dave Walker with legal threats.
I'm really disgusted by that. They really are showing their Christian credentials. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
I think it's due to open on 22 July.
As indeed it has - I went in at lunchtime. They are still restocking but (a) they're taking orders and (b) the second-hand sales have returned.
Yup and it has a website. I thought I read 22 July but I also thought I read Thursday which didn't make sense. I must have been right about the date and wrong about the day (Tuesday/Thursday from a distance are not that dissimilar).
I'll have to go in when I'm back home. Meanwhile, I'll just make sure I publicise its re-opening to lots of people.
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I used to work for SPCK, and look what happened to me! (And them.)
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Originally posted by Louise:
The Brewers have now gone after Dave Walker with legal threats.
L.
Words escape me. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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The posts are still available in googlecache, btw.
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What I'd like to do (but can't) is post a poll (probably in Hell) - Brewer Bros or Dave Walker - just to test opinion.
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Naah, you need a bit more competition there- how about a choice of Brewer Brothers, Satan and Gordon Brown?
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Sorry to double post, the post I linked to earlier on Dave Walker's blog concerning the legal threats by the Brewers has now been taken down itself, presumably for legal reasons.
I wont link directly in case that exposes the Ship in anyway, but I will note that such tactics don't work very well in this day and age, as the search
cease desist site:http://www.cartoonchurch.com/
on Google, brings up the googlecache, and the post is there. Good luck to the Brewers taking that down.
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I've just found this news on yet another spck blog. I wonder what the consequences of a "motion to dismiss the liquidation of SSG" would be? Perhaps some of our American friends could help here...
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Originally posted by Louise:
Sorry to double post, the post I linked to earlier on Dave Walker's blog concerning the legal threats by the Brewers has now been taken down itself, presumably for legal reasons.
I wont link directly in case that exposes the Ship in anyway, but I will note that such tactics don't work very well in this day and age, as the search
cease desist site:http://www.cartoonchurch.com/
on Google, brings up the googlecache, and the post is there. Good luck to the Brewers taking that down.
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Louise, I can't figure out what on earth the alleged problem was with Dave Walker's blog post (it certainly wasn't defamatory in any way that I can see), so I don't see the problem with linking to the cached version. If Dave were better capitalized, I'd suggest that he leave the blog up and tell the Brewers to stick it up their bottoms, legally speaking.
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Originally posted by Yam-uk:
I've just found this news on yet another spck blog. I wonder what the consequences of a "motion to dismiss the liquidation of SSG" would be? Perhaps some of our American friends could help here...
I don't specialize in Bankruptcy law, but I'm pretty sure a motion to dismiss the liquidation is a motion to dismiss the bankruptcy petition itself. If granted, it would mean that the thing gets tossed out of court and they have to think of something else. I'm confused about why a UK entity would be able to file for BR anyway, unless they're incorporated in the US.
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Actually, there is some mystery about why the Brewers filed for bankruptcy in the US in the first place, for precisely that reason. It appears that they don't realize that the US and England (in this case, because it's English not British law in question, I think) are two different countries and that you can't just do everything in the US and hope it applies.
Either that, or they think the Texas (?) court in question is so stupid that it will do something, and do so in such a way that the very many English creditors (unpaid staff, unpaid suppliers and so on) have no chance to register their claims or be heard in court.
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This whole saga doesn't get any less bizarre, does it?
The business of the threats of action against blogger comments is very reminiscent of the late Robert Maxwell's behaviour. Not a good omen.
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The Cartoon Blog has now disappeared completely - all very concerning.
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Originally posted by innocent(ish):
The Cartoon Blog has now disappeared completely - all very concerning.
I can't even open the cartoons on Dave's Lambeth site. I wish I could blame the Brewers for that too.
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It appears that the solidarity is growing. Many bloggers are taking up the mantel and are posting whole sections of Dave's blog via googlecache in order to keep the posts on the web.
Also, the most interesting development is well covered here . Allegedly (hosts, please check that this is okay) evidence suggests that the Brewer's are attempting to take a UK registered company/charity into bankruptcy in the US, under US law which, if successful, would deny UK tribunal claimants (and creditors) compensation. It also appears that Mark Brewer is acting as legal counsel in the bankruptcy case and, as such, is entitled to a first share of monies recovered from the bankrupt business. However, it also appears that a petition has been filed with the Texas courts pointing these anomalies out and that the date of this petition coincides with the 'Cease and Desist' order served on Dave W. Could it be that a certain Texan lawyer was concerned that Dave would publish the details of this petition?
Inquiring minds, want to know
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