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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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I think Alan Rickman and Johnny Depp are more or less obligatory.
But I would put in a word for Jeff Bridges (the word is MINE!)
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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quote: Originally posted by comet: BUT - a few weeks ago I happened to admit a strong attraction to Jack Black. I was teased and ridiculed by my friends.
but there's just something wonderful about him. perhaps it's the 12-year-old in the 40-year-old body. I don't know.
shut up.
stop laughing.
I am totally with you on this.
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Ariel
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quote: Originally posted by Firenze: I think Alan Rickman and Johnny Depp are more or less obligatory.
Make it Alan Rickman and Jeremy Irons and I'm in.
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QLib
Bad Example
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John Hurt (the voice) Jeremy Paxman
Totally over both of these. Have I finally outgrown crushes? Lots of people named here - Rickman and Firth most notably - who I find attractive, but that's not quite the same thing, is it?
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Og, King of Bashan
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quote: Originally posted by Benny Diction 2: Nigella Lawson
My girlfriend is trying to convince me to switch my food crush from Giada de Laurentis to Nigella Lawson, who is one of her idols. I would probably be game, except the only time Nigella is on TV here is at 5:30 on Saturday morning, and I don’t have DVR.
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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OK, since we're all sharing... My crushes have been characters rather than the actual people playing them, like several others here. Mr. Spock...first and most long-lasting crush. Another fan of Alan Rickman here, playing Col. Brandon. Qui-Gon Jinn. Surprise! He's my peer-hunk.
I'm sure there are others, though.
It's really funny when Daughter-Unit and I are comparing our crushes. Hers are "really hot" to her, and look like little kids to me.
Now that I think about it, that's as it should be!
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LutheranChik
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My (nonsexual) TV crushes include Mary Alice and Geoff of Ace of Cakes, and Cap'n Sig and his brother Edgar of The Deadliest Catch. I also find Nigella Lawson...interesting to watch. DP has not-very-secret crushes on Anne Murray and Jamie Lee Curtis.
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Giada looks like a bobblehead doll, Og.
I had nearly all of my crushes confined to Friday night television, but Enver Gjokaj and Tahmoh Penikett will be off the air in another week and they've moved Matt Bomer to Tuesdays starting next week. But I think he'll go good with the Michael Weatherly and Mark Harmon crushes. Fridays belong solely to David Conrad now, but I hate the whole Sam storyline with the white-hot intensity of a thousand burning nuns so it is hard to watch GW any more.
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Og, King of Bashan
Ship's giant Amorite
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And that’s why you should never have the crush conversation in a coed group. (I was always amazed in college at how the otherwise perfectly pleasant female friends I had would suddenly accuse other women of being brainless or cokeheads whenever I mentioned that they were attractive). And don't get me wrong- men are just as bad. [ 13. January 2010, 21:48: Message edited by: Og, King of Bashan ]
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duchess
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quote: Originally posted by Joyeux: duchess - I'm with you about Tait!!
And really, really about Alan Rickman
Other crushes: *Nathan Fillion (as Captain Malcolm Reynolds, and now as Rick Castle) *Cary Grant (yes, long dead, but I really don't care!) *Gary Cooper (see note on Cary Grant) *Edward Norton (as Eisenheim in The Illusionist and as Bruce in The Incredible Hulk)
eta - Both the 9th and 10th Doctor Who. Not the actors, the characters.
Ed Norton in the Painted Veil. Damn handsome and passionate, forgiving.
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Welease Woderwick
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Certainly a yes to Cary Grant - AND he batted for my team!
In opera circles the first and foremost would have to be Jessye Norman - what charisma, what a voice!
Sidney Poitier, anyone?
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Matariki
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Welease Woderick, Cary Grant, oh yes. And what about Paul Newman in his prime? Those good looks, those eyes! As for a gal crush I always had a soft spot for Charlie Dimmock; no other woman can make a spot of bedding in a herbaceous border sound quite so appealing. [ 14. January 2010, 07:42: Message edited by: Matariki ]
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Lyda*Rose
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Oh, yeah. I wanted to be in his class in To Sir With Love. And he's still a stud to this day.
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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quote: Originally posted by Matariki: ... And what about Paul Newman in his prime? Those good looks, those eyes! ...
Oh yes, in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof with all that smouldering sexuality I think that was his sexiext ever performance.
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Yerevan
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quote: Another for Fox Mulder (not necessarily David Duchovny, just the character Fox). There is a vulnerability about him that scores very high on my Men Who Need to be Mothered meter.
Oh yes...the intellectualism....the vulnerability...the big brown eyes...swoon (the big hair...not so good). I was a teenager in the 90s and my Fox-crush seems to fixed the type of man I like forever. My mother, who grew up in the 60s and was a bit of a Trekkie, always claimed to have had a teenage crush on Spock. My uncle reckoned that this was all hindsight and she really dug Capt. Kirk.
Re Alan Rickman, I was at a very drunken party once when people started casting 'Harry Potter The Porn Film'...everyone agreed that Alan Rickman was staying.
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Yerevan
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quote: Another fan of Alan Rickman here, playing Col. Brandon.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that hot men look even hotter in frock coats.
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QLib
Bad Example
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quote: Originally posted by Yerevan: It is a truth universally acknowledged that hot men look even hotter in frock coats.
And with pointy ears* - but not in frocks, unless they're Eddie Izzard.
*Yes, I too, had a Spock crush though, in my case, (she says, with a sense of smug superiority ) it didn't last into adulthood.
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Dormouse
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quote: Originally posted by Yerevan: quote: Another fan of Alan Rickman here, playing Col. Brandon.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that hot men look even hotter in frock coats.
Excuse me while I wipe up my drool...I certainly wouldn't have kept Col Brandon waiting...
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virtuous sloth
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The only celebrity crush that comes to mind is Jarvis Cocker (of Pulp, the band). Embarrassingly, this crush has lasted over ten years now.
More often I have secret crushes on people I know irl.
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Cottontail
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Okay, this is an embarrassing one, because it means admitting that not only am I obsessed with a soap opera, but the one I am obsessed with is the German equivalent of Neighbours. Called Verbotene Liebe ('Forbidden Love'), it is filled as you would expect with the beautiful and the young. I got hooked in Germany and now keep up via Youtube.
Anyway, there is this gay couple on the show, called Olli and Christian, and they've been going strong two years now, and the story's been really well done, esp. at the beginning, we've been cheering them on as Christian won the boxing championship at the same time as battling prejudice, and they are two unfeasably hot men, incredible kissers, and the one I like in particular is far too young for me of course, and ... ... rats ... okay then ...
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Thore Schölermann
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Pegasus
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quote: Originally posted by Cottontail: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Thore Schölermann
He'd be better looking after a decent shave.
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St. Gwladys
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As my husband and son are also shipmates, I'll only confess to my teenage crushes - Paul Michael Glasier in Starsky and Hutch, Neil Diamond (voice like brown velvet) and Alan Alda in MASH. Darllenwr was around when I agreed with comments regarding Neil Oliver off Coast (gorgeous long hair), but otherwise, I'm afraid it's no comment!
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QLib
Bad Example
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quote: Originally posted by Cottontail: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Thore Schölermann
Cradle snatcher.
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Cottontail
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quote: Originally posted by QLib: quote: Originally posted by Cottontail: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Thore Schölermann
Cradle snatcher.
I know Though to be fair, he's 26 now. Far too young still, but not indecent!
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Enoch
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About twenty years ago, there was a comedy series about a man who could not make up his mind whether to stay with his wife or run off with his mistress. Jane Asher played his wife, and Felicity Kendal the mistress. Not a dilemma that comes the way of most of us.
It perhaps says something about me that I've no recollection at all as to who played the husband.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Y'know, Ed Norton Jr. strikes me as someone I could crush on, if I put in the effort.
My long-time celebrity crush has been Dwight Schultz-- this guy. But, in bingeing on a Dr. Who Marathon recently, I realised David Tennant kind of reminds me of him. Hopefully my mooning wasn't obvious.
Celebrity crushes, Guilty Secret variety-- I don't know what the hell it is, except he's kind of a laid-back wiseass, but every time I see Snoop Dogg in a non-singing capacity (for instance, when he was a presenter at the Friar's Club Roast for Flavor Flav) I find myself suddenly accessing my inner ho. Not particularly interested in his music, though. Go know.
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Graven Image
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Robert Redford, I still love ever wrinkle on his face. He lives part of the year not far from us, but I have yet to have a sighting, while others have. One 20 year old told me he said, "Good Morning," to her and her heart skipped a beat. Guess it just not only us old ladies who still find him sexy.
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Piglet
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quote: Originally posted by Enoch: About twenty years ago, there was a comedy series about a man who could not make up his mind whether to stay with his wife or run off with his mistress. Jane Asher played his wife, and Felicity Kendal the mistress. Not a dilemma that comes the way of most of us.
It perhaps says something about me that I've no recollection at all as to who played the husband.
As my beloved would say (he might yet - he's a Shipmate), Felicity Kendal is Thinking Man's Crumpet.
And although I'm a straight woman, I don't remember who the husband was either; in fact, I didn't even remember that Jane Asher was the wife ...
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Foxy
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Robert Downey Jr. makes my heart thud.
James Franco, especially in Freaks and Geeks, makes me giggle and blush like a schoolgirl.
And if he and I were both single, I would move to New York and stalk Jon Stewart.
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North East Quine
Curious beastie
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Originally posted by Yerevan: quote: It is a truth universally acknowledged that hot men look even hotter in frock coats.
Not just men!
I'm straight, but that look works for me.
Another 'fessing to Jack Sparrow. Also, I would have a crush on David Tennant, were it not for the fact that he's the spitting image of my daughter's godfather.
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Yerevan
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Lets face it, EVERYONE looks good in a frock coat. I'm not sure if that says something inate about frock coats or if its just exposure to a succession of smouldering Mr. D'Arcy's...
I'm straight, but if I had a same sex crush it would be Drew Barrymore. Something about the pouty lips.
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Otter
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Sean Connery, although that's never been a secret. Alton Brown isn't hard on the eyeballs, either.
Morgan Freeman's voice. As one review of "March of the Penguins" said, he could keep me fascinated reading the phone book. And I'd say the same for James Earl Jones.
For fictional characters, I have a strange fascination for Tony Stark (aka Iron Man) as played by Robert Downey Jr. Downey doesn't normally do much for me, and if I had to really be around somebody as conceited as Tony Stark I'd be tempted to commit murder, but on screen...
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Eigon
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I started my 'Secret Crush' career young, with Mr Spock and David McCallum as Ilya Kuriakin in the Man from U.N.C.L.E. I spent ages trying to do the Vulcan salute and trying to say Ilya Kuriakin! Then it was onto the swashbucklers, and Errol Flynn - and I've not grown out of that one yet. (Orlando Bloom did a pretty good imitation of Errol Flynn in Pirates of the Caribbean, even down to the little 'tache). More recently, I've discovered Antonio Banderas.
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duchess
Ship's Blue Blooded Lady
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Inspector Lynley(Nathaniel Parker IRL) hubba hubba.
[added IRL name.] [ 16. January 2010, 21:22: Message edited by: duchess ]
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Sir Pellinore
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Juliet Binoche, Fanny Ardant and Audrey Tautou would be a good start.
BTW my wife's late father was French.
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Lyda*Rose
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Kelly Alves: quote: Celebrity crushes, Guilty Secret variety-- I don't know what the hell it is, except he's kind of a laid-back wiseass, but every time I see Snoop Dogg in a non-singing capacity (for instance, when he was a presenter at the Friar's Club Roast for Flavor Flav) I find myself suddenly accessing my inner ho. Not particularly interested in his music, though. Go know.
Oh, I quite understand. The term "bedroom eyes" was made for ol' Snoop. He had a little walk-on in the program Las Vegas. All he did was get introduced (as himself) and start discussing the superiority of walnut, hardwood floors and ...Yowza!
ETA: Why would anyone need to roast Flavor Flav? Doesn't he sort of exist pre-roasted? [ 17. January 2010, 06:34: Message edited by: Lyda*Rose ]
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mrs whibley
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Alex James, formerly of Blur. He writes a column about country living in the Independent and I blush just reading it! Also John Simm, who is just about my only blond (more so as the Master recently, of course).
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leo
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quote: Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe: I once had a boss named Leo who was very good-looking. I had a secret crush on him.
This may be why I appreciate the postings of a certain Shipmate, even though I know that that's not his real name and he probably looks nowhere like my old boss.
There's a photo of me somewhere on the ship - probably the bath shipmeet if it is still in All Saints or else the general photos thread. [ 17. January 2010, 17:39: Message edited by: leo ]
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infinite_monkey
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I'm seeing very little to be secretive and ashamed about in any of these postings, guys. Where's the furtive love for, say, Fabio or Captain Kangaroo?
As a pre-teen, I confess to having loved the boys of Nelson enough to have actually bought one of those ridiculous paperback biographies so I could learn more about their favorite colors and hopes for world peace.
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Antisocial Alto
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I did have a (not at all secret) crush on Christian Bale until the domestic violence incident and the cussing-out-the-sound-guy incident. Those killed it off.
I like nice guys the best- my M*A*S*H* crush was BJ Hunnicutt, not Hawkeye.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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quote: Originally posted by Lyda*Rose: Oh, I quite understand. The term "bedroom eyes" was made for ol' Snoop. He had a little walk-on in the program Las Vegas. All he did was get introduced (as himself) and start discussing the superiority of walnut, hardwood floors and ...Yowza!
ETA: Why would anyone need to roast Flavor Flav? Doesn't he sort of exist pre-roasted?
Hardwood floors. Daaaaammmn.
Flavor Flav is gifted with an admirable ability to laugh at himself. And I mean, piss- ya- damn-pants laugh. Which makes one wonder if most of what he does is geared toward that purpose. Anyway, this quality seemed to really egg the roasters on.
In any case, it was gratifying to see four or five nervous whitefolk Friar's club members delicately edge around the race issue, then watch Snoop mount the podium, flash a warm, twinkly-eyed smile, and casually unload about a dozen dozens on Flav. Masterful.
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jedijudy
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Almost forgot; from the time I was little, I had a crush on Jimmy Stewart. He always seemed like a very nice man.
Fred MacMurray, too. (Always the older men.)
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Presbyopic
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quote: Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan: quote: Originally posted by Benny Diction 2: Nigella Lawson
My girlfriend is trying to convince me to switch my food crush from Giada de Laurentis to Nigella Lawson, who is one of her idols. I would probably be game, except the only time Nigella is on TV here is at 5:30 on Saturday morning, and I don’t have DVR.
She's certainly an attractively put together woman (the whole package I mean) but don't you find her head is freakishly big for her tiny little body? I find it so odd that I can't barely watch her as I fixate on her massive head.
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Presbyopic
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Oh and I remembered another major crush that has lasted most of my life.
Gregory Peck.
The Atticus Finch Gregory Peck, not the Boys from Brazil Gregory Peck.
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PD
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First secret crush I remember as a "just teenager" was on Anni-Frid in ABBA. I also had rather a long lasting one on Francesca Annis. It is strange that someone should have mentioned Jane Asher, as I always found her easy on the eye.
As for non-sexual crush I have had a long running one for Susan Hampshire, who I find immensely easy on the eye, but does not ring that other set of bells.
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Benny Diction 2
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quote: Originally posted by Presbyopic: quote: Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan: quote: Originally posted by Benny Diction 2: Nigella Lawson
My girlfriend is trying to convince me to switch my food crush from Giada de Laurentis to Nigella Lawson, who is one of her idols. I would probably be game, except the only time Nigella is on TV here is at 5:30 on Saturday morning, and I don’t have DVR.
She's certainly an attractively put together woman (the whole package I mean) but don't you find her head is freakishly big for her tiny little body? I find it so odd that I can't barely watch her as I fixate on her massive head.
Nigella has a tiny little body? I think you need your eyes testing or a new TV!
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