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pimple

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Was the saying a biblical one?

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No, though that would fit the Ship.

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So, here's an attempt at a summation of what you all know so far. Let me know if I say anything wrong:

A guy and a girl are dating. They are talking on the phone and for some unknown reason she says "Murderer!" She does intend to use the English noun form to murder, but no one human or animal has died. She is making some sort of unknown reference. However, her boyfriend mis-understands and reacts in some unknown way that causes her to break up with him. From henceforth, he finds it easier to get to his morning class on time.

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Was the cry "Murderer" a reference to a story?

Would the locations from which he and she were calling each other be relevant to this game?

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Did he hang up just because she said 'murderer' or for some other reason?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Was the cry "Murderer" a reference to a story?

Yes, for a not particularly narrow definition of story.

quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Would the locations from which he and she were calling each other be relevant to this game?

His is irrelevant, but hers is relevant.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Did he hang up just because she said 'murderer' or for some other reason?

Yes, in other words, if she has not said "murderer", he would have stayed on the phone.

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OK. How's about:

Things aren't going fast enough for lover-boy so he decides to enlist the aid of that old metaphysical seducer (and, paradoxically, puritan) Andrew Marvell. Unfortunately his memory, or his digital expertise, or both, fail him, and what he textx is this:

quote:
Had we but whirled enough in thyme
This coyness, lady, were no crime...

She's tickled pink by this and texts back:

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You mean, if only that Pizzaland had had a dancing licence? [Killing me] [Killing me]

But his mobile isn't enabled for smileys, so he calls her up and asks "What's with al the funny punctuation hon? What does - - - mean?

"Murderer!" she says. He thinks she's taking the p*ss and accusing him of murdering Marvell's English, makes some huffy remark and rings off. End of beautiful romance. Beginning of serious (Oh boy is he serious!) study.

Are we getting close?

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Was she in her domicile at the time of the call?

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Pimple: Right general direction definitely.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Was she in her domicile at the time of the call?

Yes. But you will need a greater level of locative precision for that to be helpful.

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Was she calling from her bedroom?

Did he say 'Say you love me, or your teddy gets it?'

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quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Was she calling from her bedroom?

no

quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Did he say 'Say you love me, or your teddy gets it?'

lol, no

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Was she calling from the bathroom?

Was a DIY pregnancy test involved?

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In your summary you say that no one person (or animal IIRC) was killed.

Might there be multiple (metaphorical) deaths involved?

Three bears? A hive of bees? The Duke of York's tenthousand men? Humanity in toto?

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quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
Was she calling from the bathroom?

No

quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
Was a DIY pregnancy test involved?

Good idea! But no.

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quote:
Originally posted by pimple:
In your summary you say that no one person (or animal IIRC) was killed.

Might there be multiple (metaphorical) deaths involved?

Three bears? A hive of bees? The Duke of York's tenthousand men? Humanity in toto?

That should have been a hint. I like it. But no.

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Was she in the garden? And during her conversation did she see her next-door neighbor whip out his chainsaw, and start hacking away at a tree or bush?

And did she laughingly shriek "Murderer!" at her neighbor? And did her boyfriend, hearing this and the chainsaw noise in the background, infer that she was in danger, and did he then rush over and attack the neighbor?

And did she conclude that this was random mad violence on his part, and refuse to listen to his desperate explanations and send him forever from her heart and bed?

And, if so, wasn't he really better off without her?

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Or, better yet, had be been partaking of some substance that caused him to misinterpret what she said?

OK, I'm done now. I really am.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
Was she in the garden? And during her conversation did she see her next-door neighbor whip out his chainsaw, and start hacking away at a tree or bush?
And did she laughingly shriek "Murderer!" at her neighbor?

no

quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
And did her boyfriend, hearing this and the chainsaw noise in the background, infer that she was in danger,

YES! Well, not the chainsaw noise, but yes to the rest

quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
and did he then rush over and attack the neighbor?

And did she conclude that this was random mad violence on his part, and refuse to listen to his desperate explanations and send him forever from her heart and bed?

And, if so, wasn't he really better off without her?
Or, better yet, had be been partaking of some substance that caused him to misinterpret what she said?

OK, I'm done now. I really am.

no

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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
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So, was she play-acting or otherwise being dishonest in her cry of "Murderer!"?

Was she intentionally being deceitful?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
So, was she play-acting or otherwise being dishonest in her cry of "Murderer!"?

No

quote:
Originally posted by Bullfrog.:
Was she intentionally being deceitful?

No

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Did she joke with him that she was pregnant?

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Was she doing a crossword and the answer to the clue was "MURDERER"?

When she realised this she exclaimed it and he misunderstood thinking she was in danger. He rushed over there only to discover his mistake. He was annoyed at her because he was embarrassed and also because she had been focussed on the crossword whilst talking to him on the phone. This led to an argument which led to the break-up.

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quote:
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Did she joke with him that she was pregnant?

no

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quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
Was she doing a crossword and the answer to the clue was "MURDERER"?

no

quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
[QB0When she realised this she exclaimed it and he misunderstood thinking she was in danger. He rushed over there only to discover his mistake.[/QB]

No. He did not rush over there upon deciding she was in danger.
quote:
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He was annoyed at her because he was embarrassed and also because she had been focussed on the crossword whilst talking to him on the phone. This led to an argument which led to the break-up.

It's even worse than this.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gwai:
quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
When she realised this she exclaimed it and he misunderstood thinking she was in danger. He rushed over there only to discover his mistake.

No. He did not rush over there upon deciding she was in danger.

Is that why she broke up with him? his apparent lack of concern?
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quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
quote:
Originally posted by Gwai:
quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
When she realised this she exclaimed it and he misunderstood thinking she was in danger. He rushed over there only to discover his mistake.

No. He did not rush over there upon deciding she was in danger.

Is that why she broke up with him?
no

quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
his apparent lack of concern?

He did not show a lack of concern.

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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
They are fools eternally.


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Did he laugh when she said 'murderer'?

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Was she calling from the kitchen?

And following from the "no one animal was killed" clue, were there multiple animals, say shrimp, in there with her?

[ 15. February 2010, 20:21: Message edited by: Nunzia ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Did he laugh when she said 'murderer'?

No (but she probably should have)

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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
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quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
Was she calling from the kitchen?

Yes

quote:
Originally posted by Nunzia:
And following from the "no one animal was killed" clue, were there multiple animals, say shrimp, in there with her?

No

[ 15. February 2010, 21:10: Message edited by: Gwai ]

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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
They are fools eternally.


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Was someone using a food processor in the kitchen?

Or an electric carving knife?

[ 16. February 2010, 19:53: Message edited by: Chorister ]

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Was this about a plant growing in a pot in the kitchen whose leaves/fruit/root had been ruthlessly plucked, leaving it in a state where it was unlikely to recover?
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So is the well-known saying taken from a well-known story? Perhaps from Shakespeare? Or maybe from a nursery rhyme? Was she jesting about herself "murdering" some food or dish she was working on in the kitchen? Like maybe an egg that she dropped?

Did she break up with him for something he did other than hanging up the phone on her (so there is some other subsequent event we need to identify)? Did he show too much concern? Did he call the police?

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quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Was someone using a food processor in the kitchen?

No

quote:
Originally posted by Chorister:
Or an electric carving knife?

These make too much sense.

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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
They are fools eternally.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Was this about a plant growing in a pot in the kitchen whose leaves/fruit/root had been ruthlessly plucked, leaving it in a state where it was unlikely to recover?

No

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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
They are fools eternally.


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quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
So is the well-known saying taken from a well-known story?

Yes..
quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
Perhaps from Shakespeare?

YES!
quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
Or maybe from a nursery rhyme?

no
quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
Was she jesting about herself "murdering" some food or dish she was working on in the kitchen? Like maybe an egg that she dropped?

no

quote:
Originally posted by W Hyatt:
[QBDid she break up with him for something he did other than hanging up the phone on her (so there is some other subsequent event we need to identify)? Did he show too much concern? Did he call the police? [/QB]

Yes!

Nice job, W Hyatt

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quote:
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Perhaps from Shakespeare?
YES!
From Macbeth? As in "Out, damned spot!"?

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And he's got it! I'm surprised that you got it so fast from that, but that's it. Good job!

She said "Murderer!" So, he started to arrive to class on time.

To sum up: Boyfriend the tardy was on the phone to his girlfriend. They have been together a while and live together, but their relationship has been troubled recently. As they are talking, she has been doing dishes. One particular spot just won't come out and as she washes over and over at that one spot of chicken blood, she thinks of Macbeth and Lady Macbeth's monologue. (Lady Macbeth, a murderer, is feeling guilty about her crimes and while sleepwalking thinks there is still actual blood on her hands. She scrubs at her hand saying among other things "Out, damned spot!) So, the girlfriend exclaims "Murderer!" Her boyfriend freaks out thinks there is a killer in the room with her, so he hangs up and calls the police. After the police have gone, the girlfriend is mad as a hatter. The boyfriend and girlfriend fight and break up. Henceforth, the boyfriend sleeps at his own apartment and has no trouble getting to class on time.

If we're going to do another one, the puzzle is yours to make up, W Hyatt. Thanks for a fun time, all. I hope I didn't drive you too crazy!

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If we're going to do another one, the puzzle is yours to make up, W Hyatt.
Yikes - the pressure! I hope others feel free to start one. My wife teaches these as "stories with holes" to her elementary school students so I know a few classic ones, but I can't count on being able to respond regularly. If no one else comes up with one I can give one a try, but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to respond often enough to keep the interest going.

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Thanks to Gwai for a thoroughly enjoyable game, one of the best on the Circus for quite a while (in my humble opinion, of course.) I'll therefore close this thread - but if anyone would like to take a little while to think of an equally good question and begin a new thread at some point in the future, I think there would be several shipmates willing to play again.

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