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Thread: Purgatory: Pope announces plans for Anglicans to convert in groups
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Trisagion
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quote: Originally posted by leo: Given the fashion for public apologies for things done by our ancestors, maybe we Anglicans should give back to the RCC the buildings we stole from them at the Reformation.
Ken will surely be along in a minute with his standard argument that proves to his entire satisfaction that they weren't stolen.
Nevertheless, the reality is that we don't want them back, thanks: the upkeep would be far too expensive.
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Trisagion
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quote: Originally posted by trouty: quote: Originally posted by leo: Given the fashion for public apologies for things done by our ancestors, maybe we Anglicans should give back to the RCC the buildings we stole from them at the Reformation.
Maybe if they were to repay the money spent on the upkeep of these churches since that time.
Only of we could set against those monies, the chantry Mass stipends that were appropriated at the time.
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Leetle Masha
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I hear a sound in the background.... "Cha-ching!!!!" and soon after that sound, I hear the swish of a scourge of small cords whooshing through the air, tables being overturned, general chaos....
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Leetle Masha
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Of course, things are tough all over. We can't get this one back either, minus the added enhancements....
background music
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FreeJack
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quote: Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
With greater clarity among all on building ownership, we might even have less desecration of godly spiritual edifices with power-point screens and amplifiers.
Without the evangelical renewal of the CofE over the past 20 years even more such buildings would have been declared surplus and sold off for luxury flats.
Surprisingly enough Archdeacons and Chancellors increasingly tend to take the view that it is better to 'desecrate' a place of worship in use with some modern equipment than to knock it down.
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ken
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quote: Originally posted by Trisagion: Ken will surely be along in a minute with his standard argument that proves to his entire satisfaction that they weren't stolen.
Just cos you don't like it doesn't stop it being true.
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Trisagion
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quote: Originally posted by ken: quote: Originally posted by Trisagion: Ken will surely be along in a minute with his standard argument that proves to his entire satisfaction that they weren't stolen.
Just cos you don't like it doesn't stop it being true.
'Certo, to be sure', as we say 'round here.
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Edward Green
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quote: Originally posted by FreeJack: quote: Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
With greater clarity among all on building ownership, we might even have less desecration of godly spiritual edifices with power-point screens and amplifiers.
Without the evangelical renewal of the CofE over the past 20 years even more such buildings would have been declared surplus and sold off for luxury flats.
Not to mention past 'desecrations' with pews, pipe organs, hymn books, screens, eagles, pulpits, vain memorials, etc.
I used to worship in a church with a less than practical altar cross with the words inscribed 'To the Glory of God, and in memory of so-and-so ...... who died on the xxth of month 19**'
The text wrapped round the cross base so the text on the front read:
'To the Glory of God who died on the xxth of month 19**'
Give me power-point any day!
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Augustine the Aleut
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quote: Originally posted by FreeJack: quote: Originally posted by Augustine the Aleut:
With greater clarity among all on building ownership, we might even have less desecration of godly spiritual edifices with power-point screens and amplifiers.
Without the evangelical renewal of the CofE over the past 20 years even more such buildings would have been declared surplus and sold off for luxury flats.
Surprisingly enough Archdeacons and Chancellors increasingly tend to take the view that it is better to 'desecrate' a place of worship in use with some modern equipment than to knock it down.
Not wishing to further derail a thread which has begun to resemble a major railway junction, I am not certain that I see the connexion between an evangelical revival in the English church and these horrid things. They are certainly common enough in churches of various leanings, and are to be found disfiguring many RC churches-- a nicely carved statue of Saint Viateur in Casselman, Ontario now sits behind an amplifier where the heat from the apparatus is now degrading its Victorian paint work. As of yet, the Orthodox seem spared (but this may be on account of their not having hooked up their churches to electricity).
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Yangtze
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Interrupting this serious discussion to ask if anyone else heard the fabulous Midge Benn "The Pope Wants Vicars" song on Friday night's Now Show
Available on Listen Again here about 25 minutes in (ie just before the end)
[I was going to quote a few lines, but they didn't come across very well - really need to hear the whole thing]
I caught it on Friday night and laughed and laughed and then my mind went immediately to this thread. Enjoy. Or hate.
But it does give an interesting insight into how the outside world (albeit the R4 version of the outside world) is perceiving the whole thing.
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Leetle Masha
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For sure, every vicar needs to know that the R4 World is out there, in every Church. They'd better be ready! Thanks, Yangtse!
Mary
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Leetle Masha
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Apologies for suffering from British spelling syndrome, needed for my w*rk, but affecting my typing of your Ship Name, dear Yangtze!
Mary (aware that the R4 world also exists in the U.S. ) [ 01. December 2009, 14:39: Message edited by: Leetle Masha ]
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Loveheart
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I now have a 10yo daughter, shocked at the mention of vaginas
Very funny!
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uffda
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I was going to resist the temptation to go there, but after your post, Loveheart, I just had to find out what it was all about!
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bonabri
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How many "pagans" will be knocking on church doors demanding their temples back soon? [ 01. December 2009, 15:57: Message edited by: bonabri ]
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Albertus
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Yes, there's the Pantheon, for a start, just down the road from Benny the Rat himself!
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Leetle Masha
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I used to know an Orthodox Christian priest who thought that the echo in the marble concourse of a large railroad station would make that railroad station ideal for a Paschal Divine Liturgy.
So if somebody wants a church back, there's always the railway station!
Mary [ 01. December 2009, 17:09: Message edited by: Leetle Masha ]
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Albertus
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And I always thought it a pity (well, it is anyway) that Battersea Power Station has been left in ruins- would have made a splendid cathedral.
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Angloid
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Just as Liverpool Cathedral (same architect) would make a splendid railway station. Just think, we could do a swap with Liverpool Central: great cathedral for the postmodernist world.
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Leetle Masha
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See how creative we can be when we set our minds to it?
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Christian Agnostic
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I think all the pope wants is better church music/church musicians.
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quote: Originally posted by Albertus: And I always thought it a pity (well, it is anyway) that Battersea Power Station has been left in ruins- would have made a splendid cathedral.
I thought it became the tate modern ?
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Oremus
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No Tate Modern is Bankside,
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