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Well, I guessed something like that. But I thought it was more fun to start at Whitby (England).
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Ah, the North Toronto Line. [Smile]

Most GO lines except the Lakeshore East and Georgetown Lines run on CN tracks, which CN doesn't use much as they prefer to route their trains around Toronto rather than taking them down to the lake. GO has its own tracks east of Pickering as that's CN's Grand Trunk mainline to Montreal and the Maritimes. The Georgetown line runs on CP.

CP's mainline, OTOH runs through the middle of Toronto. It's still a heavy freight line. Before they agreed to use Union Station, they built North Toronto Station on Yonge St. near Summerhill.

The station is currently the flagship store for the LCBO, the provincial liquor monopoly. GO has had plans to turn the station back into a real station since the 1980's and the latest provincial transit plan has included this option.

Besides, it would be logical link in a Pickering Airport - Pearson rail line.

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ISTM there was some group or other which had a synod at Whitby as a foundational event. Not sure that starting at Whitby is a Good Idea!

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Does that explain British train services, they decided they were all to be done on the Italian model irc.

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That precedent would leave you the choice of the Irish or the Italian style!

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Does that mean that if the trains run on time it's a fascist takeover?

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quote:
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Does that explain British train services, they decided they were all to be done on the Italian model irc.

Jengie

And Cuthbert stood forth at the Synod and said “The holy Gauge shall be 5’3”, or into the western hills around Gefrin in can be 3 foot, the narrow gauge that leads to life. Thus was always the permanent way of the Saints”.

And Wilfrid rose and cried “No! The North Eastern shall be only 4 feet and eight-and-a half inches, for ‘tis the measure between the wheels of the chariots of Rome. Ye shall not have the unclean abomination of 5’3”, let alone the three foot!”

And Oswiu sat in doom and he said “I will have one gauge in Deira and Bernice, and shall it be the gauge of Rome, as I foretell that a Saint George of Wylam shall want it thus, and a Frankish man, Isambard, shall not overcome with his seven-foot iron roads, thought the West Saxons heed his folly for a while”.

Thus all across Northumbria and beyond even into the land of the Mercians did the Roman gauge prevail.

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Thus it was, as it ever shall be, that those who come from the centre of power shall have their way, speaking the immortal words

"This is the way WE have always done it".

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quote:
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Thus it was, as it ever shall be, that those who come from the centre of power shall have their way, speaking the immortal words

"This is the way WE have always done it".

- Yeah, this is me right: my train is 5' 3" gauge. And this is them: you can't run it cos our railway is 4' 8½" gauge.

- No way!

- Fo sho, blud.

- That is like massively disrespectful of your wheelsets.

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But ... according to Wikipedia, the Spanish Alvia trains find change of gauge no restriction:

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There are also other series of trains that are considered high speed, but don't run under the AVE name. They run under the brand Alvia, and are variable gauge trains. They can run on High speed lines at a maximum of 250 km/h (155 mph), and can also change between standard and Iberian gauge lines without stopping.
Does anyone know anything about these? It's quite different to changing the bogies/wheelsets at the French/Spanish border, which used to be done (and may still be done) with sleeping cars. (Doesn't sound very restful).
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They're Talgo trains. The wheels are not joined with an axle across the car floor. The train slows to 10 mph on a special section of track which runs for a 1/4 mile, and it narrows/broadens from Standard to Spanish gauge and vice versa.

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Thus spake Alaric:

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Thus all across Northumbria and beyond even into the land of the Mercians did the Roman gauge prevail.
Did this refer to the English tribe or was it that then-unknown trans-pondine group known as 'Mericans ?

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Tribe? Tribe! The Kingdom of the Marc was composed of many tribes: the Hwicce, the Magonsætan, the Peocsætan, the Middle Angles, etc. What are these uncouth ‘Mericans’ of which you speak?
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There are the Alcoites, the Baldwinians and the Limaens, for a start ... not forgetting the Electromodivs in more modern times.
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Not to mention the Pennsiites, who didn't conquer other tribes but were content simply to keep their own territory and multiply.

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And the sad case of the Milwaukeians, who simply rolled over onto their backs, stuck their legs in the air and died. Should never have de-electrified.
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There are other tribes beyond the Great Ocean, who can scarce countenance that there are Real Railways with loading gauges larger than not-quite-big-enough.

And these tribes are divided by their loyalties to their temples, whether those temples are in the form of great cavernous trainsheds named after Saints or Bears or in the form of mystical places from whence came brass-bound smoke-breathers. The differences between the Swindonites and the denizens of Crewe and Derby are relatively minor, but the Doncasterites, and the factions grouped around Ashford, Eastleigh and Brighton are not in communion with others - some have even gone heretic with live rails that lie near the ground!

And then there are the Tractors, Whistlers and Hoovers, not to mention the Hymeks and other hydraulics, in confrontation with the 66&67ers.

All of whom rarely speak to the MU, whether they be of the D or E faction.

None of which is a language to be understanded of the people on other continents!

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Whereas the various tribes on this continent show a greater proclivity to be in Union with one another, frequently forming a Terminal Company to be neutral keepers of the sacred Temple for this purpose.

Though the tribes of Chicago were in but imperfect communion with one another, being divided between the Dearborn Use and the Union Use, with some wayward folk keeping to the LaSalle ways and the Central Ways, which pleased nobody.

Manhattan was the fiercest disagreement of all, there being a firm divide between the Grand Central path and the Pennsylvania tribe. Never the two shall meet, even in their electrification could they not agree on a common tongue. Though it is the highest law in Manhattan that fumes not be emitted from locomotives. The FL9 adheres to letter of this law, though often not the spirit, it being compromise and often deviates from orthodox doctrine in operation.

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Horseman Bree , surely this practice

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some have even gone heretic with live rails that lie near the ground!
is condemned in the highest wrtitings as an abomination. Are not people who engage in such practices worse than heretics?

[ 24. February 2010, 20:27: Message edited by: Gee D ]

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Nay, for their current be clear and direct, rather than pusinallimously alternating, and their catenary never falleth.
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Direct current? Even more an abomination.

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But all true locomotives built before the blessings of silicon rectifiers used clear and direct current to power their sacred traction motors. Even those that deigned to imbibe of the common yet unclean alternating current.

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No. All true locomotives use natural products, water and carbon alone. All locomotives that are dependent on wires or on processed oil are schismatic heretics.

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Fah, All True Locomotives use electrical motors to cause the blessed traction, whether drawn from diesel generators or from the common rail or wire!

Carbon and steam are legacies of the pre-Reformation darkness now discredited and discarded!

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Drawing traction from that poor, inoffensive bird, the common rail! What will these abominations be up to next?

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Nay, those who worship at the altar of electricity are but schismatic heretics.

Look how the smoke arises carrying the prayers of the faithful from the True Motive Power of the World.

Look how the brass that is polished and the paint that gleams reflect the glory of Movement to all who can see!

The sounds of Motion from the True Motive Power can enlighten even the unfaithful!

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This sounds just like a "Deltic" diesel leaving Kings Cross ... just smell the fumes and hear the roar ... aaah!

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Look how the brass that is polished and the paint that gleams reflect the glory of Movement to all who can see!

The sounds of Motion from the True Motive Power can enlighten even the unfaithful!

No wonder they called it God's Wonderful Railway!

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"Thou shall not take the Lord's name in vain".
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Touche!

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Ah, but which railway had a class of Saints?

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Polished Brass? Paint??

True Steam is found in only one colour: black. All else is vanity.

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Vanitas, vanitatum et omnia vanitas, eh?

And might one be permitted to ask which railway it was that, along with the clean paint and polished brass, also numbered Abbeys and Granges among its classes?

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Polished Brass? Paint??

True Steam is found in only one colour: black. All else is vanity.

Tsk! The green of the apple is the best way (especially when applied to a Green Arrow!), or the Order of the Garter Blue! (Though I confess I have a fondness for the crimson of the lake!).

And across the water the blue of the Great Northern sky is most excellent, to be sure!

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And the LNER even had an "Abbey": 2819 "Welbeck Abbey", a B17/1 4-6-0. No "Granges" though ...

I had a nice experience while visiting my mother a few years ago. We were driving into Sheringham past the North Norfolk Railway, I could see the signals were "off" and a plume of smoke approaching. I quickly turned off the road to an occupation crossing, and what should come past but "Green Arrow" herself - a total surprise and most impressive.

And the LNER had one of the best (and most unwieldy) loco names ever: "St. Peter's School, York, AD 627". Now that's oneupmanship for you!

The GN(I) blue is nice, too - never seen it though.

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Ah, but the Big Blue Sky drape was worn adherents of the Diesel Reformation. Steam, Orthodox Steam was black.

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Nay, the one true colour is verily the green of brunswick, passed down through the generations from The Lord's own Railway e'en through that time when the lines became fully established unto the nation.

And though the established railway fell into heresy, causing the Holy Shade to be replaced by the abomination that was ocean blue, yet still there are those who maintain the most sacred green upon the locomotives of their private lines.

Addendum: disestablishment, while a good thing for many valid reasons, unfortunately resulted in many schismatic branches of the network which, in their desire to appear "relevant" to the youth, thoroughly abandoned any concept of true colour. this all-too-often resulted in most abominable heresy.

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Surely you jest, my dear SPK!

Certain members of the True Motive Power were arrayed in becoming shades of green (lined out in gold), while others gleamed in polished grey and maroon (also lined out in gold), within reach of your present abode.

True it is that the workaday black was all that was allowed in those provinces not blessed with a capital "O", but that is what one gets when there is a Natural Governing Province*

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Surely one of the most glorious colour schemes was the Southern Pacific "Sunset" paintwork as used on the GS-4s? Not that I've ever seen it!
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Nay, the one true colour is verily the green of brunswick, passed down through the generations from The Lord's own Railway e'en through that time when the lines became fully established unto the nation.

And though the established railway fell into heresy, causing the Holy Shade to be replaced by the abomination that was ocean blue, yet still there are those who maintain the most sacred green upon the locomotives of their private lines.

Addendum: disestablishment, while a good thing for many valid reasons, unfortunately resulted in many schismatic branches of the network which, in their desire to appear "relevant" to the youth, thoroughly abandoned any concept of true colour. this all-too-often resulted in most abominable heresy.

Amen!

PS Thou has left out these abominations unto the Lord of the Isles!

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BT: glorious or just ostentatious?

I offer a proper green ensemble for youe edification, or else the other company's interesting riposte.

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Though the running boards may be painted, as may the tender, I maintain true steam leaves the boiler in a dark, utilitarian hue. Accents are one thing, painting the locomotive entirely is just out.

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Has anyone been watching the marvellous BBC programmes on the Indian Hill Railways? Last night's featured the Kalka-Shimla line.

I have a question: this line has the most wonderful and ancient railcars. But I cannot discover anything about them. I know one early one was supplied in the 1930s by Armstrong-Whitworth, but I don't know if it's in service any more.

The one we saw last night was very much like an Indian version of the old County Donegal cars built by Walkers: single-ended, protruding bonnet, tiny wheels with connecting rods on the power bogies. Does anyone know?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Pontivillian:
PS Thou has left out these abominations unto the Lord of the Isles!

You're not a fan of the new London Midland livery, then?

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Pontivillian:
PS Thou has left out these abominations unto the Lord of the Isles!

You're not a fan of the new London Midland livery, then?
I liked it at first, but have gone off it since....too garish.

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Just in case anybody is remotely interested, we had a pleasant run behind Tornado on Monday (1st). I cannot be any more specific than that, as I am not the type to take a stopwatch with me on a train, but booked times were met, as far as I could tell, and I reckon we actually picked up some time en route.

There is something very satisfying about overhauling the cars on the motorway when steam hauled. [Big Grin]

Admittedly, this was my first experience of mainline steam (cannot usually afford it!) so I know next-to-nothing about steam running speeds, but I am certainly hoping that Tornado gets her ticket for 90 mph running ~that should give the "old-fashioned" lobby something to think about.

For those of you living in the UK who have not had chance to see Tornado in the flesh, make every effort to do so ~ she is well worth the effort.

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Looking at the pix on Youtube, you were certainly going well through Swindon!
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We only travelled between Cardiff and Swansea [Frown] It was still great fun though, but the full trip would have been more fun [Big Grin]

An interesting railway, by the looks of things.

The system they use for coupling looks quite interesting to me!

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The Wangerooge line looks interesting (I'd never heard of the place) ... but PLEASE let's not have another debate on couplings ... [Roll Eyes]
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