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Wesley J
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Excellent questions indeed, especially re measurements and wheel profiles or flanges.
The Swiss system includes narrow gauge passenger carriages only, with the engines being changed.
Starting from the TALGO Wiki page linked above, however, I've found 'Wiki on Variable gauge' and then a few pictures, but without further explanation, of a recent Spanish TALGO "variable track width adjustable high-speed locomotive" here.
A lot to read up and find out, or so it seems. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Interesting link. Lots of stuff about crash testing new designs of buffers and other things.
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Wesley J
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And now read this:
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Tractor bogie with incorporated gauge-change system
Downloadable pdf of complete 1998 TALGO patent application available, with illustrations. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
And even this, a more recent patent by a Japanese firm, from 2003 (pdf available):
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Variable gauge bogie for rolling stock: The present invention provides a variable gauge bogie for a rolling stock which is capable of suppressing non-suspended weight and maintaining satisfactory steering performance. [Adaptable to a motor bogie]
I imagine that upon entering various search terms on that site, further documents will be found. Amazing.
Thanks to all for your inspiration and links.
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Oh the joys of patent searching. We've lost Wesley J now: he may be back for Christmas.
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Wesley J
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![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
One of my friends is a senior patent lawyer. He might even provide us with more hints... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Enoch
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I've recently got a book out of the local library on reminiscences of train spotting in the Burton on Trent area in the 1960s. It was published last year. It's got a lot of photographs taken at the time by both authors that a person is entitled to be very proud to have taken that young. One of the two authors, Richard Inwood, turns out to be Bishop of Bedford.
Do any shipmates know him or anything about him?
He doesn't conceal his identity in the book. Does any shipmate know how open he is in the diocese of St Albans about this guilty secret.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Does any shipmate know how open he is in the diocese of St Albans about this guilty secret.
Even more important, what do the Global South bishops say? ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Does any shipmate know how open he is in the diocese of St Albans about this guilty secret.
One also has to wonder if he occasionally bunks off his bishoply duties to "cop" a few BedPans on the Midland Main Line...
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Wesley J
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Just a little note to say that I keep reading the Purg thread title 'Modalism and the Trinity' as 'Modelism and the Trinity'.
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Be it as it may: Wesley J will stay. --- Euthanasia, that sounds good. An alpine neutral neighbourhood. Then back to Britain, all dressed in wood. Things were gonna get worse. (John Cooper Clarke)
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St Gwladys (currently sitting at her computer behind me) has just observed that this thread of ours is "slowing down; running out of steam; going off the rails." Such a string of bad puns is not to be tolerated!!!
So, has anybody any good pot boilers that we can discuss at length to take this thread comfortably over the 1400 mark?
I hesitate to throw in anything of my own ~ reading through the things I have added to this thread makes me look like a regular rivet counter ~ can somebody with a lighter turn of mind make any suggestions?
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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Hmm, lighter fare.
OK, there's always the nickname that railways always seem to acquire, usually from the employees.
For instance the Kingston & Pembroke Railway here in Ontario was known to one and all as the "Kick and Push".
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I can think of the Slow and Dirty; the Great Way Round; the Slow, Easy and Comfortable; the Muddle and Get Nowhere... and that's just in pre-1920s England. Many more where they came from - though that doesn't mean my memory.
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Money Spent and Lost - no books here, but from memory that was the Manchester, Sheffield and Leicester (or maybe Lancashire). Can anyone help out?
The motto could apply to so many railways, started with bright ideas, not thought through. Bonds that ended up as wallpaper.
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Enoch
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Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire. It changed its name to the Great Central when it built its London Extension. GC was assumed to stand (again with reference to the money) for Gone Completely.
The Great Eastern, which served East Anglia (very flat in Norfolk) was known as the Swedie.
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MSL was also Muck,Sludge and Lightning. Then there was LMS: long, meandering and slow.
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As a variation, Anglo-Catholicism was known as London, Brighton and South Coast Religion.
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Baptist Trainfan
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In our part of the world I believe that both the Great Eastern's Brightlingsea branch and the Kelvedon & Tollesbury Light Railway (certainly the first) were known as the "Crab and Winkle".
And of course the Waterloo & City was (and is) "The Drain".
There was once a suggestion that the North British Railway was alluded 2 in Genesis 1:24 as a "creeping thing".
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The railway that started some distance north of Vancouver with the intention of sometime arriving at Prince George and points north was entitled Pacific Great Eastern. But it operated as an isolated segment of track, serving no particular purpose, for about a generation, and was therefore known as the "Please Go Easy"
And there was a 20-mile branch line into forest land south of Petitcodiac, NB, that was known for some obscure reason as "The Prong"
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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I always heard the PGE was "Prince George, Eventually."
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Gee D
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Thank you Enoch. I remembered the Great Central had a conection with the line but had forgotten the Gone Completely.
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daviddrinkell
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
In our part of the world I believe that both the Great Eastern's Brightlingsea branch and the Kelvedon & Tollesbury Light Railway (certainly the first) were known as the "Crab and Winkle".
And of course the Waterloo & City was (and is) "The Drain".
There was once a suggestion that the North British Railway was alluded 2 in Genesis 1:24 as a "creeping thing".
My next door neighbour back home was on the last train on the Tollesbury branch, appears in one of the pictures in the book about it, and has the station sign to prove it....
It was also known as the Jam Line, because it served Wilkin's jam factory at Tiptree.
Don't forget God's Wonderful Railway!
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You mean the Great Way Round?
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It was also known as the Jam Line, because it served Wilkin's jam factory at Tiptree.
Which, I confess, turned up in yesterday's sermon about the Trinity (and NOT because you have to boil up the ingredients together). Mr. Wilkin was a good Congregationalist and there are some interesting exhibits of the local chapel (still open) in Wilkin & Co's museum.
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Marvin the Martian
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There was, of course, the Old Worse & Worse which ran between Oxford and Wolverhampton via Worcester.
Another local (to me) route was the Bumble Hole Line, with stops at Baptist End, Windmill End and Darby End. It all sounds quaintly bucolic until you realise it ran through the very heart of the industrial Black Country!
ETA: yes, that's the Windmill End that features at the end of the Flanders & Swann song "Slow Train"
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daviddrinkell
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
You mean the Great Way Round?
Oooooh! Heresy!!!!
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daviddrinkell
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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It was also known as the Jam Line, because it served Wilkin's jam factory at Tiptree.
Which, I confess, turned up in yesterday's sermon about the Trinity (and NOT because you have to boil up the ingredients together). Mr. Wilkin was a good Congregationalist and there are some interesting exhibits of the local chapel (still open) in Wilkin & Co's museum.
I used to play the organ at the chapel in Tiptree occasionally. It was an interesting beast - German - and pleasant enough tonally.
I was in Wilkin's museum a few weeks ago when I was home in Colchester on holiday. Some nice pics of the railway. I believe that one of the passenger carriages features in the film 'The Titfield Thunderbolt'. The visitor centre at Wilkin's is always worth going to. Great cream teas and an excellent shop with a wide range of their products - and they do make the best jam in the world!
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Baptist Trainfan
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From a website on the "Titfield Thunderbolt":
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The coach which is used in the early part of the film, until it is “wrecked” in the crash, dated from 1884 when it was one of a pair acquired for use on the Wisbech and Upwell Tramway (W&U) where they were numbered 7 and 8. After passenger services on the W&U ceased in 1928 they were transferred to the Kelvedon & Tollesbury Light Railway where they remained until that line closed on 5th May 1951. They were then stored at Stratford Depot in East London. No 8 was used for filming and was returned to Stratford when filming ended, with the intention of preservation - this did not happen and it was broken up sometime during 1954.
No.7 still exists and has recently been restored on the North Norfolk Railway: look at this page on their website.
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Baptist Trainfan
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PS According to the National Pipe Organ Register the organ at Tiptree is not German but built by the very English Hill, Norman and Beard in the 1940s.
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
PS According to the National Pipe Organ Register the organ at Tiptree is not German but built by the very English Hill, Norman and Beard in the 1940s.
Actually, it was built by Walcker of Ludwigsburg for a client (possibly a private house) in Scotland. Walckers' built a number of organs in Scotland. Hill, Norman & Beard moved it and installed it at Tiptree in about 1948. Its predecessor is in Pakefield Church, Suffolk.
Just eating bread spread with Wilkin's Blackberry Conserve. Yummy!
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The Titfield Thunderbolt was filmed on the line that ran from Limpley Stoke (between Bath and Westbury) up through Monkton Combe and Camerton to Hallatrow that was on the line from Bristol to Frome. There's also a scene filmed at Temple Meads.
Going back to curious names, the line from Wroxham between Norwich and Cromer and County School between Wymondham and Wells was referred to as the Round the World line. I think this may have been because some trains on it ran from Norwich to Norwich, but took over two hours to do so. There was a legend that where it went under the M&GN somewhere in the middle of Norfolk, crews on the upstairs line (the M&GN) had been known to pelt crews on the lower line with lumps of coal and actually caused injuries.
Another odd name. the service on the line between Weedon, Daventry and Warwick was referred to as the Gusher. Does anyone know why?
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Anyone from the Lancashire-Yorkshire borders remember the `Barlick Spud'? Or, further north, Bonnyface possibly spelt Boniface?
The former was the shuttle on the 2 mile Barnoldswick branch, from Earby on the Skipton to Colne line. (Hopefully the latter, though not the former, could shortly be reinstated). Bonnyface/Boniface was the (latterly once-a-day) train from Garsdale (on the Settle-Carlisle line) to Hawes.
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From Baptist Trainfan :
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There was once a suggestion that the North British Railway was alluded 2 in Genesis 1:24 as a "creeping thing".
The old joke about the Long Island Rail Road: It was created by God be cause He made all things that creepeth and crawleth.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
The Titfield Thunderbolt was filmed on the line that ran from Limpley Stoke (between Bath and Westbury) up through Monkton Combe and Camerton to Hallatrow that was on the line from Bristol to Frome. There's also a scene filmed at Temple Meads.
That's right, but I remember sitting in a train on the Bluebell Railway in Sussex back in the sixties and listening to the guard regale an American tourist about how The Titfield Thunderbolt had been filmed on the Bluebell line and the branch engine was 'Stepney' (in those days I was too young to know the difference between a GWR 0-4-2 and a Stroudley Terrier). He even claimed to have been the guard who waved the train off.
It was years and years before I realised it had been a wind-up......
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Enoch
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Which of us hasn't wanted to drive a GWR 0-4-2 tank through the streets? I know I have.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Oh, I don't know, driving an A4 Pacific through the streets might be more fun. Mind you, it would block up the traffic something terrible ...
The industrial locomotives of two of the shipyards in Glasgow travelled along the street tramways. For this reason the Glasgow tram track gauge was about 4'7", allowing the locos to ride on their flanges within the groove of the tram rails.
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And what about "Shannon"/"Jane" on the Wantage Tramway? Or the Irish line which went down the main street of Fivemiletown (not forgetting the sea front at Wexford)? Or the many lines which go down Main Street, US?
And watch the middle section (about 4 minutes in)of this marvellous video of a Hungarian narrow-gauge network. Sadly it closed about 6 months ago.
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Enoch
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There was also the Wisbech and Outwell tramway, the extension of the Welshpool and Llanfair down to Welshpool station, and some street running in Dundee.
The difference is that in the Titfield Thunderbolt the engine managed to do that without rails.
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Indeed. One wonders how it was supposed to have steered?
I must say that it looks rather good in the film!
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Originally posted by Enoch:
There was also the Wisbech and Outwell tramway, the extension of the Welshpool and Llanfair down to Welshpool station, and some street running in Dundee.
And of course Weymouth.
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Indeed. One wonders how it was supposed to have steered?
It didn't. They hit a tree.
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I'll see your movie, and raise you reality.
In 1998 Southern Quebec and Eastern Ontario experienced heavy freezing rain, the Ice Storm of 1998. It left ice 2 inches thick on trees and power lines. It brought down a good many power lines, particularly the long-distance transmission lines.
In Boucherville, Quebec CN 3502 was lifted off the rails by crane, placed onto the street, and driven down the road for 1000 feet. It was then hooked up to the local grid and used as a generator for several weeks.
CN 3555 was similarly lifted off the rails and driven down the street in Coteau, Quebec for use as a generator as well.
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Wesley J
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From Wikipedia, see "Service as Power Generators in Winter 1998"
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Both engines suffered minor gear case damage and carved grooves in the pavement.
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Given the mention of the Welshpool Town extension, I recall that I said that Welshpool council were undertaking a feasibility study into the possibility of rebuilding the line. At the Welshpool and Llanfair Light Railway Preservation Co Ltd AGM on Saturday, we had an update on this study. The council have concluded that rebuilding the line would not be feasible.
It is important to understand the background to this finding, specifically that the study assumed that the council will be responsible for the bulk of the cost. Given the current economic conditions, it would have been surprising had the study came to any other conclusion. What is important is that the project has been turned down on grounds of cost, not of policy. So the door remains open, provided the money can be found.
Which is not exactly a minor problem ... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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There was street-running on the first railway to reach Newport(Gwent) until 1929.
The railway closed to passenger traffic in 1880 and Good traffic in 1907. The GWR maintained it's right of way on these roadside lines by the annual passage of a light locomotive on Good Friday, until 1929 when the GWR disposed of the land to Newport Corporation. Part of this line ran opposite what is now the Royal Gwent Hospital!
There were also the lines to Dock Street and Mill Street stations, although these stations were not used for passenger use, apart from a short period in 1927 when re-signaling work was being done on High Street station. Apparently crowds turned out to watch GWR expresses cross and run along busy roads!
All this information comes from "Forgotten Railways of South Wales" by James Page, which was first published in 1979. I got my copy in Hay-on-Wye, in the special little bookshop that Dad and I enjoy! The book is very informative and helpful, particularly for unravelling the spaghetti like Railway system of ages past.
I belief that the Mumbles railway was roadside for part of it's journey....indeed I can't see how else it could have got to Mumbles pier, without following Volk's "Daddy-long-legs" as a prototype!
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
In Boucherville, Quebec CN 3502 was lifted off the rails by crane, placed onto the street, and driven down the road for 1000 feet. It was then hooked up to the local grid and used as a generator for several weeks.
Sweet! That would be one hell of a cop...
On the subject of street running, there's still one small outpost of the UK national network where this exists - the Weymouth Harbour Tramway. OK, it hasn't been used in ages, but there are those who want to see it back carrying passengers for the 2012 olympic sailing events.
I remember one family holiday back in the 80s when I walked alongside a "Crompton" (see top pic on that link) for virtually the whole tramway section. The driver even stopped blowing his horn once he realised I wasn't going to dart out in front of him
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The throttle was placed in the Run 3 notch to get it as close to 60 HZ as possible (hookup was before the rectifier on the generator side).
A solider from the Militia guarded the locomotive at all times to keep the curious away from such a jerry-rigged contraption.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
In Boucherville, Quebec CN 3502 was lifted off the rails by crane, placed onto the street, and driven down the road for 1000 feet. It was then hooked up to the local grid and used as a generator for several weeks.
In the UK, we used a loco in 1976 to excite one of our 300MW generators, following a breakdown of the main exciter.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
I always heard the PGE was "Prince George, Eventually."
A third variant reading was "Past God's Endurance", presumably referring to the rebuilt line through the very toney suburb of West Vancouver. The railway opened a line from North Vancouver to Horseshoe Bay in 1914, abandoned it in 1928 due to competition from municipal bus service, but did not relinquish the right of way. Neighbouring homeowners gradually forgot about the old railway, allowing gardens and other trappings of suburbia to encroach upon it, but were rudely reminded of it when it was rebuilt in 1956 in order to provide a through route from Vancouver to Prince George and the north. No doubt, having lengthy freight trains rumble past, over, or through your strawberries was thought to be "past God's endurance."
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